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 Croydon-Trucker  02 Jan 23 10.28am |
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Originally posted by Willo
He got injured in the opening minutes of Chelsea's match at Newcastle in November and hasn't played since then. Edited by Willo (02 Jan 2023 9.13am) Thank you for the update Willo .
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| Croydon-Trucker 02 Jan 23 10.34am |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I think if Chelsea were to let him leave (which could possibly happen if they sign the Argentinian lad) I think there might be bigger fish after him like Newcastle, while you'd also imagine Everton would throw their ring into the hat. At Chelsea he seems to be playing deeper which he wasn't very good at for us or WBA. Hopefully his career isn't killed by being a bit part at Chelsea. Yes i agree with you there. I was watching him yday and he just isnt the same player at all when in the Chelsea midfield . He is definatley what we are missing , energy in the midfield ! If he plays for us as he did yday then i would rather he went somewhere else .
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sydtheeagle  England 02 Jan 23 11.06am |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
I think there might be bigger fish after him like Newcastle, while you'd also imagine Everton would throw their ring into the hat. While I think this is undoubtedly true, what we have going for us that they don't is most importantly, Vieira's apparently very strong relationship with Conor and also, though perhaps less so, the fact that he's a local lad. If Conor was happy to leave Chelsea after what must have been a somewhat sobering six months, I'd imagine his choice of destination will be more carefully thought out than just "biggest club to come in for me" and the thought of a central role for an emergent local side playing for a manager who's all-in on him at a club where he knows he'll be happy and appreciated may well be appealing. Plus, Conor is very much young enough that two or three good years in the right environment at Palace could yet see him move to a top-four side in his mid-twenties. In October, I'd have said the chances of Conor's return were no better than 5-10%. I'd say it still remains unlikely, but it's probably 25-35% now and trending upwards. I'm 100% sure we'll asking Chelsea the question - at least if we can have him back on loan for the rest of the season with a view to buying in the summer - this week.
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taylors lovechild  02 Jan 23 11.45am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
While I think this is undoubtedly true, what we have going for us that they don't is most importantly, Vieira's apparently very strong relationship with Conor and also, though perhaps less so, the fact that he's a local lad. If Conor was happy to leave Chelsea after what must have been a somewhat sobering six months, I'd imagine his choice of destination will be more carefully thought out than just "biggest club to come in for me" and the thought of a central role for an emergent local side playing for a manager who's all-in on him at a club where he knows he'll be happy and appreciated may well be appealing. Plus, Conor is very much young enough that two or three good years in the right environment at Palace could yet see him move to a top-four side in his mid-twenties. In October, I'd have said the chances of Conor's return were no better than 5-10%. I'd say it still remains unlikely, but it's probably 25-35% now and trending upwards. I'm 100% sure we'll asking Chelsea the question - at least if we can have him back on loan for the rest of the season with a view to buying in the summer - this week. You may be right, but we are essentially playing for mid-table, which might not be that appealing to him if he's ambitious. Personally I think he'll stay at Chelsea as he is getting minutes and if he believes in himself then he probably won't want to give up on his boyhood club just yet. If Chelsea sign another midfielder then this could all change, but if they don't then Potter probably won't want him to go either as their midfield is getting a bit long in the tooth. Personally I think we are in far more need of another defensive midfielder anyway, albeit I'd love to see Conor back.
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02 Jan 23 11.46am| beak croydon 02 Jan 23 12.38pm |
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Originally posted by VinceHilaire
It’s an interesting situation. The Chelsea dream seems to have come to a standstill. He is not guaranteed a starting place at his current club, they are still looking to bring in more players - so what does he do? A move across to us makes sense on so many levels…guaranteed first team football, staying in London, hero amongst the fans, already know his team mates - the list goes on … We are obviously not the only club interested in him, but we certainly must the most appealing… Not as interesting as Newcastle!
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| Croydon-Trucker 02 Jan 23 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
While I think this is undoubtedly true, what we have going for us that they don't is most importantly, Vieira's apparently very strong relationship with Conor and also, though perhaps less so, the fact that he's a local lad. If Conor was happy to leave Chelsea after what must have been a somewhat sobering six months, I'd imagine his choice of destination will be more carefully thought out than just "biggest club to come in for me" and the thought of a central role for an emergent local side playing for a manager who's all-in on him at a club where he knows he'll be happy and appreciated may well be appealing. Plus, Conor is very much young enough that two or three good years in the right environment at Palace could yet see him move to a top-four side in his mid-twenties. In October, I'd have said the chances of Conor's return were no better than 5-10%. I'd say it still remains unlikely, but it's probably 25-35% now and trending upwards. I'm 100% sure we'll asking Chelsea the question - at least if we can have him back on loan for the rest of the season with a view to buying in the summer - this week. I hope you are right . We are definatley missing his high up the pitch pressing and joining the attack . A loan with an option to buy sounds good to me .
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| Croydon-Trucker 02 Jan 23 3.10pm |
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Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad
Dont buy Gallagher, PV will revert to 4-3-3 Eze will be ruined and Doucoure will be Knackered or suspended, or both I reckon when Wilf goes Eze will be put on the left side so plenty of room for both .
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 becky over the moon 02 Jan 23 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Croydon-Trucker
Yes i agree with you there. I was watching him yday and he just isnt the same player at all when in the Chelsea midfield . He is definatley what we are missing , energy in the midfield ! If he plays for us as he did yday then i would rather he went somewhere else . I didn't see him yesterday, but let's not forget that at the end of the season with us he just wasn't the same player that started it. Is it his position at Chelsea, or is it something with him as a player, maybe?
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| Croydon-Trucker 02 Jan 23 3.21pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I didn't see him yesterday, but let's not forget that at the end of the season with us he just wasn't the same player that started it. Is it his position at Chelsea, or is it something with him as a player, maybe? I think its more to do with Potters set up . They dont need a box to box midfeilder, they are blessed with internationals from keeper to strikers , he was being used as central midfeilder and didnt venture much from the centre circle really . Didnt suit him there at all .
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| sydtheeagle England 04 Jan 23 10.12am |
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Originally posted by taylors lovechild
You may be right, but we are essentially playing for mid-table, which might not be that appealing to him if he's ambitious. Personally I think he'll stay at Chelsea as he is getting minutes and if he believes in himself then he probably won't want to give up on his boyhood club just yet. If Chelsea sign another midfielder then this could all change, but if they don't then Potter probably won't want him to go either as their midfield is getting a bit long in the tooth. Personally I think we are in far more need of another defensive midfielder anyway, albeit I'd love to see Conor back. I'd agree generally with most of that, but I think the key questions are: 1. We're not "essentially" playing for mid-table. We ARE playing for mid-table, such is our fate and the state of the game nowadays. But the keyword in your sentence may be "playing", rather than "mid-table". Conor got whatever opportunity he now has at Chelsea because he was PLAYING for us last season, and it's playing that will give him his opportunity to make his mark long-term, at Chelsea or anywhere else. If he's ambitious, then he will know that playing somewhere (at his age) is more likely to serve his career goals than sitting on the bench for a better side. Sometimes, one step back in the short term equals two steps forward in the long term. It must be at least possible that Conor is starting to understand this. 2. It seems pretty obvious that Chelsea WILL sign another midfielder, Fernandez if they can agree terms with Atletico and someone else if they can't. That's almost a matter of record at this point so it's reasonable to think it's not a question of "if things change" but "when things change". Conor must think that if the writing isn't on the wall for him, at a minimum the last few months haven't gone the way he hoped they would. 3. What Potter wants...but will Potter still be at Chelsea by the end of the window? They have an owner who pursues glamour at every opportunity; performances under Potter have been mixed at best...no one appears really happy. If Chelsea is thumped by Man City tomorrow night (possible) will Potter even last the week? Chelsea seem to be in a flux right now; not a good place for a marginal player to be. As I said originally, Chelsea is Conor's club and I don't think he'd want to walk away even now without a fight. But I have to think he's also pragmatic about what's best for his career, and a return to us on another loan (six or eighteen months) might suit all parties in light of everything above. It would get him back on track with a smile on his face, and let things settle at Chelsea at a time when he clearly isn't front and centre of their thinking. What happens next, who knows but I think we probably have a much better chance of signing him in January than we did in August.
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| MrRobbo Chaldon 04 Jan 23 11.58am |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
I'd agree generally with most of that, but I think the key questions are: 1. We're not "essentially" playing for mid-table. We ARE playing for mid-table, such is our fate and the state of the game nowadays. But the keyword in your sentence may be "playing", rather than "mid-table". Conor got whatever opportunity he now has at Chelsea because he was PLAYING for us last season, and it's playing that will give him his opportunity to make his mark long-term, at Chelsea or anywhere else. If he's ambitious, then he will know that playing somewhere (at his age) is more likely to serve his career goals than sitting on the bench for a better side. Sometimes, one step back in the short term equals two steps forward in the long term. It must be at least possible that Conor is starting to understand this. 2. It seems pretty obvious that Chelsea WILL sign another midfielder, Fernandez if they can agree terms with Atletico and someone else if they can't. That's almost a matter of record at this point so it's reasonable to think it's not a question of "if things change" but "when things change". Conor must think that if the writing isn't on the wall for him, at a minimum the last few months haven't gone the way he hoped they would. 3. What Potter wants...but will Potter still be at Chelsea by the end of the window? They have an owner who pursues glamour at every opportunity; performances under Potter have been mixed at best...no one appears really happy. If Chelsea is thumped by Man City tomorrow night (possible) will Potter even last the week? Chelsea seem to be in a flux right now; not a good place for a marginal player to be. As I said originally, Chelsea is Conor's club and I don't think he'd want to walk away even now without a fight. But I have to think he's also pragmatic about what's best for his career, and a return to us on another loan (six or eighteen months) might suit all parties in light of everything above. It would get him back on track with a smile on his face, and let things settle at Chelsea at a time when he clearly isn't front and centre of their thinking. What happens next, who knows but I think we probably have a much better chance of signing him in January than we did in August. I agree with almost all of that. Where I cant agree it the thought that he'd walk away from his club after half a season. For him, a realistic ambition for this season would be to getting minutes. And to be fair he has, he's started 7 and been subbed on in 7. First season in the first team, I think that would be inline with expectations. Granted his is now injured, but Broja, another successful loanee, has started 2. (in a team with 1 other striker, who now also isn't fancied) So bar a couple of injuries, he's been involved in pretty much every game.
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| dreamwaverider London 04 Jan 23 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
I agree with almost all of that. Where I cant agree it the thought that he'd walk away from his club after half a season. For him, a realistic ambition for this season would be to getting minutes. And to be fair he has, he's started 7 and been subbed on in 7. First season in the first team, I think that would be inline with expectations. Granted his is now injured, but Broja, another successful loanee, has started 2. (in a team with 1 other striker, who now also isn't fancied) So bar a couple of injuries, he's been involved in pretty much every game. How about Broja and Gallagher on loan for 18 months?
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| sydtheeagle England 04 Jan 23 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by MrRobbo
Where I cant agree it the thought that he'd walk away from his club after half a season. For him, a realistic ambition for this season would be to getting minutes. And to be fair he has, he's started 7 and been subbed on in 7. First season in the first team, I think that would be inline with expectations. Yes, I think your observation above is right BUT it presumes that Conor not walking away from the club is the only component involved in making the decision. And the choice may not be Conor's alone. It's possible (even if not probable) that if Chelsea brings in Fernandez or another global superstar midfielder that, much as we are doing with loaning out Ebiowei, they say to him "look, you're going to do your future at Chelsea much more good by reprising your role at Palace for the next eighteen months than sitting on the bench here, playing around 40% of the time. We still think you have a future with us and we're not selling you, but we don't think you're where we need you to be yet to get in our team every week so for better or for worse, another loan is the best path for both you and for us". I don't think the conversation above (or one like it) is at least beyond the bounds of possibility.
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| sydtheeagle England 04 Jan 23 1.04pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
How about Broja and Gallagher on loan for 18 months? Now there's an idea. Far too sensible to ever happen, though.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 23 1.10pm |
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Originally posted by dreamwaverider
How about Broja and Gallagher on loan for 18 months? Broja only scored 6 goals in 32 PL appearances and he never scored in his last 10 PL games for the club.
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| MrRobbo Chaldon 04 Jan 23 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by sydtheeagle
Yes, I think your observation above is right BUT it presumes that Conor not walking away from the club is the only component involved in making the decision. And the choice may not be Conor's alone. It's possible (even if not probable) that if Chelsea brings in Fernandez or another global superstar midfielder that, much as we are doing with loaning out Ebiowei, they say to him "look, you're going to do your future at Chelsea much more good by reprising your role at Palace for the next eighteen months than sitting on the bench here, playing around 40% of the time. We still think you have a future with us and we're not selling you, but we don't think you're where we need you to be yet to get in our team every week so for better or for worse, another loan is the best path for both you and for us". I don't think the conversation above (or one like it) is at least beyond the bounds of possibility. I think that's fair, and certainly within the bounds of possibility. Though IMO, the guy has had a couple of seasons on loan, so now he's in the mix I'd expect him to want to stay close to the club and fight for minutes. IF by summer he has been frozen out then maybe. But if the guy has serious ambitions for hte top, he needs to learn to fight for his place with new players and new managers coming in.
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