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Coutts VS Nigel Farage
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 NEILLO  Shoreham-by-Sea 29 Jul 23 1.05am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There is no freedom of speech argument! It’s an entirely spurious invention by Farage which unfortunately has been swallowed by those in government who ought to know better. I have little doubt that on reflection that will be quietly dropped. He is, has been and always will be able to freely express his views. That in doing so he creates controversy that is, in turn, seen by a bank to potentially be capable of damaging their reputation is a completely separate issue. The first is his right. The second is theirs. Both must be honoured but only their’s is under any threat. Ok, I’m reneging on my stated intent to leave the debate as you seemingly can’t bring yourself to accept a contrary point of view to your own. Your view is there’s “ no freedom of speech argument “ - that’s your view, not a fact. To quote the Prime Minister - Mr Sunak wrote on Twitter: “This is wrong. No one should be barred from using basic services for their political views. Free speech is the cornerstone of our democracy.” So whether you agree and like it or not, that argument exists.
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cryrst  The garden of England 29 Jul 23 5.40am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Farage positions himself as a champion of the common man. He isn’t. He is a toff. A privately educated man who enjoyed a lucrative career in the city before becoming obsessed with our EU membership and turning to politics. He has repeatedly referred to “all the others” affected, without having any idea of either the numbers, or the reasons. However, many thousands of British citizens living in EU countries, had their UK bank accounts withdrawn as a direct consequence of Brexit. Something he was the primary architect of. Did he speak up for them back then? Does he mention them now? No. He is a hypocrite. Prior to Brexit he railed against the EU, and especially its Parliament whilst taking a big salary from the EU Parliament and now getting a pension from it, which is paid for from the settlement we had to agree to. Hypocrite. He also has 2 children who hold German passports. Many would say you also have an obsession with our EU membership !
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| Spiderman Horsham 29 Jul 23 6.43am |
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Originally posted by Tunbridge
If you really have to ask, then I give up! Best mates with Lebedev and Murdoch, sponsored by Russian money, such a patriot, irony is lost on you. Any links for these statements please?
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 29 Jul 23 7.10am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Excuse me for asking but what does that response have to do with the subject? You never engage in any kind of rational debate. Instead you seem obsessed with delivering insults, rather than in any kind of exchange of view. I have already given you far more attention than you deserve.
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 georgenorman 29 Jul 23 7.27am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Farage positions himself as a champion of the common man. He isn’t. He is a toff. A privately educated man who enjoyed a lucrative career in the city before becoming obsessed with our EU membership and turning to politics. He has repeatedly referred to “all the others” affected, without having any idea of either the numbers, or the reasons. However, many thousands of British citizens living in EU countries, had their UK bank accounts withdrawn as a direct consequence of Brexit. Something he was the primary architect of. Did he speak up for them back then? Does he mention them now? No. He is a hypocrite. Prior to Brexit he railed against the EU, and especially its Parliament whilst taking a big salary from the EU Parliament and now getting a pension from it, which is paid for from the settlement we had to agree to. Hypocrite. He also has 2 children who hold German passports.
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 becky over the moon 29 Jul 23 7.27am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No reason at all, but if you listen to him pontificate on all things EU you would think he didn’t agree. Like most brexiteers, he does not have a problem with Europe, just with the EU.
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 23 7.29am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Farage positions himself as a champion of the common man. He isn’t. He is a toff. A privately educated man who enjoyed a lucrative career in the city before becoming obsessed with our EU membership and turning to politics. He has repeatedly referred to “all the others” affected, without having any idea of either the numbers, or the reasons. However, many thousands of British citizens living in EU countries, had their UK bank accounts withdrawn as a direct consequence of Brexit. Something he was the primary architect of. Did he speak up for them back then? Does he mention them now? No. He is a hypocrite. Prior to Brexit he railed against the EU, and especially its Parliament whilst taking a big salary from the EU Parliament and now getting a pension from it, which is paid for from the settlement we had to agree to. Hypocrite. He also has 2 children who hold German passports. You haven’t answered my question of how he has been hypocritical during the Couttt affair.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.19am |
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Originally posted by NEILLO
Ok, I’m reneging on my stated intent to leave the debate as you seemingly can’t bring yourself to accept a contrary point of view to your own. Your view is there’s “ no freedom of speech argument “ - that’s your view, not a fact. To quote the Prime Minister - Mr Sunak wrote on Twitter: “This is wrong. No one should be barred from using basic services for their political views. Free speech is the cornerstone of our democracy.” So whether you agree and like it or not, that argument exists. I think you are being pedantic over the use of a phrase. That people are arguing about freedom of speech being a concern doesn't mean the argument has any merit. As I said previously it is spurious. It's clearly untrue as the past week has demonstrated. That what Farage says is at the base of what has happened does not mean his ability to say it has been negatively impacted. If anything it has been amplified. It's no more true than if someone argued that Harry Kane plays for Palace. The arguing would exist, but not the argument. I expressed my opinion about the government's intervention in my previous comment. I think it's regrettable and politically motivated. What Sunak said is obviously true, but what is also true is that this isn't what has happened to Farage. He hasn't lost his account because of his views. It was removed by the bank because of their concerns about being associated with them. That's their decision. No one should be forced to be friends with someone they don't choose to be. This is no different. I have thought that Sunak, and particularly Hunt, have been doing a good job given the appalling mess they inherited from Johnson and Truss. Not enough to save them at the next GE but enough to allow the Tories to survive and recover when a complete wipeout looked possible. Their fawning to Farage indicates just how much the Tories still fear him, and that is seriously unhealthy.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.24am |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
It's not really a difficult situation to grasp. A big banking firm, in an industry which prides itself on customer privacy, then publicly disclosed the reason they have closed an individual's bank account. Lots of truth there. The bank has messed up big time and handed Farage a propaganda victory he could only have dreamt of being given. Whether they need, or would be wise, to publicly announce policy change is up to them. My own bank always advises changes to their small print, which I expect very few ever bother to read unless and until they are impacted by them.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.32am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Many would say you also have an obsession with our EU membership ! That's their right. I would say I am convinced that the future of our country looked brighter the moment we realised that Brexit was a stupid mistake and started to rebuild a relationship. That happened pretty soon after we finally withdrew, even if the demands of the pandemic obscured it for a while. Now it's well established with only 18% believing Brexit has been a success. The tide has turned.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.37am |
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Originally posted by becky
Like most brexiteers, he does not have a problem with Europe, just with the EU. It's an easy excuse, isn't it? I love you, but not your politics. Unfortunately, the two go hand in hand these days. Sitting on a beach on one of the Costas is little compensation for losing the strength of the EU.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 8.39am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You haven’t answered my question of how he has been hypocritical during the Couttt affair. You haven't either read, or understood, the first 4 paragraphs of my previous response. Try again.
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 23 8.47am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You haven't either read, or understood, the first 4 paragraphs of my previous response. Try again. You have not described how Farage has been hypocritical in his response to his account with Coutts being closed down.
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 23 8.49am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's their right. I would say I am convinced that the future of our country looked brighter the moment we realised that Brexit was a stupid mistake and started to rebuild a relationship. That happened pretty soon after we finally withdrew, even if the demands of the pandemic obscured it for a while. Now it's well established with only 18% believing Brexit has been a success. The tide has turned. What percentage think rejoining would be a success?
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| Mapletree Croydon 29 Jul 23 9.13am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
What percentage think rejoining would be a success? 72.3
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 29 Jul 23 9.19am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Excuse me for asking but what does that response have to do with the subject? You never engage in any kind of rational debate. Instead you seem obsessed with delivering insults, rather than in any kind of exchange of view. I have already given you far more attention than you deserve.
Describing your posts as I see them is not to my thinking insulting, if you choose to be insulted then that is fine. Farage was de-banked because of Coutts/Natwest opinion of his views, because they chose not to like them does not make them wrong or right. Banks are not arbiters of right and wrong. Millions of UK citizens agree with Farage's views. Feel free to give me no attention at all. Rational debate is seldom possible with an ideologue with an odd perception of fact and fiction. Carry on
Edited by HKOwen (29 Jul 2023 9.24am)
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| eaglesdare 29 Jul 23 9.26am |
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British economy will outperform Germany this year, IMF admits Not somthing those remoaners like to hear. I for one would definitely vote again for Brexit.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Jul 23 9.28am |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You have not described how Farage has been hypocritical in his response to his account with Coutts being closed down. Yes I have. If you don't understand how then that's your problem. I am not going to repeat it or explain it again. I have done that too often in the past for you to do it again.
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| georgenorman 29 Jul 23 9.36am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes I have. If you don't understand how then that's your problem. I am not going to repeat it or explain it again. I have done that too often in the past for you to do it again. As is often the case with you, what you say is simply not true. You have made various, predictable attacks on Farage but have not shown that he was hypocritical in relation to the Coutts affair.
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