I'm not engaging in silliness.

Before we opened the flood gates, the population was in danger of going down. The only way we can stop the UK population exploding over the next century is to vastly reduce immigration right now.

Migrants have children, more in the first generations than the existing population. Can you not see what will happen if we don't act promptly?

Oi.......... I'm still reading this thread.

I answered that question the same day you asked it about 2 weeks ago!

Jamie, the problem is worsening due to supply. Supply has been more of a problem since 2004 when more East European countries joined the EU and started migrating to the UK (mainly England). We couldn't build enough homes then before the financial crash and then the problem worsened. We still won't be able to address the problem now or in the future whenever the economy is healthy again.

If we ever do there will more and more small flats and no chance for some to start or raise a family sensibly/healthily or at all. Because of that we will have to keep importing labour, and cheap labour which will suppress wages more and hamstring those aspiring to live in a house. As a result we will have to import more and more cheap labour to pay for pensions and welfare.

The EU won't want to give us a way out and nobody wants to pay for or experience hard times for a way out but you cannot brush it off as one of those things you have to accept or say that immigration isn't a factor in

a) supply of accomodation to those looking.

b) house prices. The very fact landlords instantly sh1t themselves when we voted leave should give everyone an indication.

COYP

This is terrible to read and the level of racist abuse reported since the result was announced is quite shocking. Something very unpleasant has been released when the Polish and Czech embassies are expressing concern to Government at the levels of attacks on their nationals in this country.

I still feel this is a tiny tiny minority but one who feel emboldened because they think that the referendum has somehow legitimized their nasty views.

And I refer you to the fact they had no hassle at all until the referendum

This is not about the country being 'full' it's about people feeling they have a right to go 'minority bashing' just like in the good old days.

Edited by Mapletree (08 Jul 2016 7.56pm)

This is very sad Maple and you are correct that this is a direct result of the referendum. One of my 'mates' (i was his best man) has also unveiled his true nasty side in the wake of the campaign. Tbh he was always a bit prejudiced but the rest of us which includes indians, irish and afro caribbeans just laughed at him. But recently he said to me that the uk had become a nanny state and that freedom of speech should mean that he should be allowed to call someone the 'n' word. Then when i told him that i saw 2 polish mothers whose kids play with mine at school crying and hugging each other on the friday morning after the leave vote, he said 'good, should have told em to go back to Poland, so that there jobs can be taken by english people'. The irony is hes a copper living in HK and his kids are half phillipino....but ofcourse he denies being rascist, or stupid or hypocritical.
I never thought i would see the day in the uk when fascism had become mainstream although we should be reminded of the 1930s when we had the british union of fascists and the Daily Mail supported Hitler...who co-incidentally was similarly inciting the German people that there housing and food shortages was because of 'sub humans' e.g jews, slavs, gypsies and gays...and foreign influences who had undermined the true germanic people.
This does not apply to all leave voters but for those who are closet rascist (which is now manifesting itself) it has given them licence to be more open about it. They cant see the hate in their own hearts and just continue to blame immigrants for all of their failed life choices.....truly sad....and my 'mate' suffers from anxiety and depression, perhaps he wouldnt if he wasnt such a nasty piece of work.

So the referendum has turned Britain into Nazi Germany and most Leavers are racists.

I think you need a lie down.

Is it more likely that you voted remain and are now trying to justify that decision to yourself with this ridiculous gross exaggeration of the facts?

Its not that much of an exaggeration; these things are happening every day! Most leavers are not overtly racist, but plenty have taken the referendum result as justification for their long-held beliefs.

We were a tolerant nation, now we are less so. That is a fall out of the referendum result, we have become diminished as a nation in my view.

I used to be immortal

And a lot more will happen as they said over the next few years; we are in for a very rocky time economically for at least 5 years. Maybe not a problem if you are in your 20's, but for the rest of us it's potentially a nightmare!

I used to be immortal

More and more talk I notice of us potentially joining the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We're easy pickings to sign up to something like that now that we're looking to find our feet again. The irony that we'll have stepped out of a political union and into one where corporations can sue whole nations if their results disappoint will no doubt be lost on people.