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Teddy Eagle 27 Nov 23 8.04pm
Originally posted by BrentisBack It was more a case of people complaining about the BBC being biased followed by someone posting up a link to a story on GB News. Maybe the BBC didn't cover the story. Unlike this one. [Link]

Teddy Eagle

27 Nov 23 8.04pm

Originally posted by BrentisBack

It was more a case of people complaining about the BBC being biased followed by someone posting up a link to a story on GB News.

Maybe the BBC didn't cover the story.
Unlike this one.

[Link]

Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 27 Nov 23 8.09pm
Originally posted by Badger11 It's not just the BBC plenty of other corporations are wasting their money. You do not need 15 people to tell your staff to treat everybody with respect and fairness. That is the job of the current management guided by HR. However companies would rather point to a Diversity department than make it the responsibility of each and every manager. You need to watch the series W1A on BBC iplayer; absolutely hilarious about the internal workings of the BBC. hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Behind Enemy Lines

Sussex 27 Nov 23 8.09pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It's not just the BBC plenty of other corporations are wasting their money.

You do not need 15 people to tell your staff to treat everybody with respect and fairness. That is the job of the current management guided by HR.

However companies would rather point to a Diversity department than make it the responsibility of each and every manager.

You need to watch the series W1A on BBC iplayer; absolutely hilarious about the internal workings of the BBC.

hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Nov 23 9.51pm
Originally posted by Badger11 It's not just the BBC plenty of other corporations are wasting their money. You do not need 15 people to tell your staff to treat everybody with respect and fairness. That is the job of the current management guided by HR. However companies would rather point to a Diversity department than make it the responsibility of each and every manager. You have run an organisation as big, widespread and diverse as the BBC have you? Meeting legal obligations when so much of what you do is going to end up being scrutinised by every interest group imaginable is not just a job for the management and HR. It requires specialists. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 27 Nov 23 9.51pm

Originally posted by Badger11

It's not just the BBC plenty of other corporations are wasting their money.

You do not need 15 people to tell your staff to treat everybody with respect and fairness. That is the job of the current management guided by HR.

However companies would rather point to a Diversity department than make it the responsibility of each and every manager.

You have run an organisation as big, widespread and diverse as the BBC have you?

Meeting legal obligations when so much of what you do is going to end up being scrutinised by every interest group imaginable is not just a job for the management and HR. It requires specialists.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Teddy Eagle 27 Nov 23 9.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You have run an organisation as big, widespread and diverse as the BBC have you? Meeting legal obligations when so much of what you do is going to end up being scrutinised by every interest group imaginable is not just a job for the management and HR. It requires specialists. This is an odd point on a football forum. How many on here have played or managed in the Premier League but is no shortage of opinions on how both could be done better.

Teddy Eagle

27 Nov 23 9.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You have run an organisation as big, widespread and diverse as the BBC have you?

Meeting legal obligations when so much of what you do is going to end up being scrutinised by every interest group imaginable is not just a job for the management and HR. It requires specialists.

This is an odd point on a football forum. How many on here have played or managed in the Premier League but is no shortage of opinions on how both could be done better.

Badger11 Beckenham 27 Nov 23 11.27pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You have run an organisation as big, widespread and diverse as the BBC have you? Meeting legal obligations when so much of what you do is going to end up being scrutinised by every interest group imaginable is not just a job for the management and HR. It requires specialists. So there is only one solution to abiding by the law and that is to employ dedicated staff is it? There is more than one way to skin a cat. If you want to ensure that fairness and diversity are in accordance with the law the best way is to ensure that management are fully on board at all levels guided by HR policy. By appointing specific staff to these types of jobs you run the risk that people deflect responsibility onto them. And yes I have managed at senior level in a major corporation and we found the best way to implement any policy was to ensure all managers took responsibility. What the BBC is doing is not wrong but I do think it is a waste of money. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 27 Nov 23 11.27pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You have run an organisation as big, widespread and diverse as the BBC have you?

Meeting legal obligations when so much of what you do is going to end up being scrutinised by every interest group imaginable is not just a job for the management and HR. It requires specialists.

So there is only one solution to abiding by the law and that is to employ dedicated staff is it?

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

If you want to ensure that fairness and diversity are in accordance with the law the best way is to ensure that management are fully on board at all levels guided by HR policy.

By appointing specific staff to these types of jobs you run the risk that people deflect responsibility onto them.

And yes I have managed at senior level in a major corporation and we found the best way to implement any policy was to ensure all managers took responsibility.

What the BBC is doing is not wrong but I do think it is a waste of money.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 8.37am
Originally posted by Badger11 So there is only one solution to abiding by the law and that is to employ dedicated staff is it? There is more than one way to skin a cat. If you want to ensure that fairness and diversity are in accordance with the law the best way is to ensure that management are fully on board at all levels guided by HR policy. By appointing specific staff to these types of jobs you run the risk that people deflect responsibility onto them. And yes I have managed at senior level in a major corporation and we found the best way to implement any policy was to ensure all managers took responsibility. What the BBC is doing is not wrong but I do think it is a waste of money. You certainly need to ensure that management understand the requirements and are committed to ensuring compliance but they cannot be expected to be familiar with the detail or to deal with the day to day compliance. Specialists are needed to research the detail, calculate how it applies at all levels, spread the messaging, ensure implementation and be available to middle management for advice. If the BBC didn’t do that we would be reading stories in the Mail about how they were ignoring one of their favourite hobby horses whilst their overpaid presenters went woke advocating that the rest of us must comply. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 8.37am

Originally posted by Badger11

So there is only one solution to abiding by the law and that is to employ dedicated staff is it?

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

If you want to ensure that fairness and diversity are in accordance with the law the best way is to ensure that management are fully on board at all levels guided by HR policy.

By appointing specific staff to these types of jobs you run the risk that people deflect responsibility onto them.

And yes I have managed at senior level in a major corporation and we found the best way to implement any policy was to ensure all managers took responsibility.

What the BBC is doing is not wrong but I do think it is a waste of money.

You certainly need to ensure that management understand the requirements and are committed to ensuring compliance but they cannot be expected to be familiar with the detail or to deal with the day to day compliance. Specialists are needed to research the detail, calculate how it applies at all levels, spread the messaging, ensure implementation and be available to middle management for advice.

If the BBC didn’t do that we would be reading stories in the Mail about how they were ignoring one of their favourite hobby horses whilst their overpaid presenters went woke advocating that the rest of us must comply.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 23 9.09am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You certainly need to ensure that management understand the requirements and are committed to ensuring compliance but they cannot be expected to be familiar with the detail or to deal with the day to day compliance. Specialists are needed to research the detail, calculate how it applies at all levels, spread the messaging, ensure implementation and be available to middle management for advice. If the BBC didn’t do that we would be reading stories in the Mail about how they were ignoring one of their favourite hobby horses whilst their overpaid presenters went woke advocating that the rest of us must comply. You are arguing for a centralised solution I am arguing for a de-centralised solution. Neither is wrong it does talk to the culture of the organisation. If your company is a top down structure then a centralised solution is probably the right thing e.g. The Army. The culture of the corporation I worked we expected people to be pro active, to take responsibility and to be creative . We had to comply with all sorts of laws which required annual training this was 20 years ago but at the time was mainly online I assume it still is. If the expertise was not in house we would hire a firm on a temporary basis to provide training materials and to review our practices and policies to ensure compliance. The level of training would be directed to the appropriate level of staff. So a staff member would be trained in what to do if they felt they were being discriminated against. A Manager would have training about how to treat staff fairly, to spot any issues and what to do if they received a complaint. HR of course would have a far more detailed level of training e.g. what to do if a Manager refers a complaint, how to support them / member of staff. Anyway you get the drift, all I am saying is that I think it is better to make everybody responsible for this relevant to their position in the company rather than dump it on a centralised team. Edited by Badger11 (28 Nov 2023 9.12am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 28 Nov 23 9.09am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are arguing for a centralised solution I am arguing for a de-centralised solution. Neither is wrong it does talk to the culture of the organisation.

If your company is a top down structure then a centralised solution is probably the right thing e.g. The Army. The culture of the corporation I worked we expected people to be pro active, to take responsibility and to be creative .

We had to comply with all sorts of laws which required annual training this was 20 years ago but at the time was mainly online I assume it still is.

If the expertise was not in house we would hire a firm on a temporary basis to provide training materials and to review our practices and policies to ensure compliance.

The level of training would be directed to the appropriate level of staff. So a staff member would be trained in what to do if they felt they were being discriminated against. A Manager would have training about how to treat staff fairly, to spot any issues and what to do if they received a complaint. HR of course would have a far more detailed level of training e.g. what to do if a Manager refers a complaint, how to support them / member of staff.

Anyway you get the drift, all I am saying is that I think it is better to make everybody responsible for this relevant to their position in the company rather than dump it on a centralised team.

Edited by Badger11 (28 Nov 2023 9.12am)

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 10.57am
Originally posted by Badger11 You are arguing for a centralised solution I am arguing for a de-centralised solution. Neither is wrong it does talk to the culture of the organisation. If your company is a top down structure then a centralised solution is probably the right thing e.g. The Army. The culture of the corporation I worked we expected people to be pro active, to take responsibility and to be creative . We had to comply with all sorts of laws which required annual training this was 20 years ago but at the time was mainly online I assume it still is. If the expertise was not in house we would hire a firm on a temporary basis to provide training materials and to review our practices and policies to ensure compliance. The level of training would be directed to the appropriate level of staff. So a staff member would be trained in what to do if they felt they were being discriminated against. A Manager would have training about how to treat staff fairly, to spot any issues and what to do if they received a complaint. HR of course would have a far more detailed level of training e.g. what to do if a Manager refers a complaint, how to support them / member of staff. Anyway you get the drift, all I am saying is that I think it is better to make everybody responsible for this relevant to their position in the company rather than dump it on a centralised team. Edited by Badger11 (28 Nov 2023 9.12am) Everybody should be responsible but they cannot all be lawyers and specialists. They need to know who to go to for advice. You can certainly contract that out but in big organisations like the BBC that’s unlikely to be commercially sensible. Add to that the particular nature of the BBC and its need to pay close attention to these issues and you can understand why they keep it in house and pay special attention to compliance. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 10.57am

Originally posted by Badger11

You are arguing for a centralised solution I am arguing for a de-centralised solution. Neither is wrong it does talk to the culture of the organisation.

We had to comply with all sorts of laws which required annual training this was 20 years ago but at the time was mainly online I assume it still is.

If the expertise was not in house we would hire a firm on a temporary basis to provide training materials and to review our practices and policies to ensure compliance.

Anyway you get the drift, all I am saying is that I think it is better to make everybody responsible for this relevant to their position in the company rather than dump it on a centralised team.

Edited by Badger11 (28 Nov 2023 9.12am)

Everybody should be responsible but they cannot all be lawyers and specialists. They need to know who to go to for advice. You can certainly contract that out but in big organisations like the BBC that’s unlikely to be commercially sensible.

Add to that the particular nature of the BBC and its need to pay close attention to these issues and you can understand why they keep it in house and pay special attention to compliance.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 23 3.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Everybody should be responsible but they cannot all be lawyers and specialists. They need to know who to go to for advice. You can certainly contract that out but in big organisations like the BBC that’s unlikely to be commercially sensible. Add to that the particular nature of the BBC and its need to pay close attention to these issues and you can understand why they keep it in house and pay special attention to compliance. That is what the training is for to educate and explain the company policy. All of this can be achieved by mandatory online training which is what we did. We also had a dedicated information website for staff and managers. The BBC already has a large staff of HR and lawyers if they don't know what to do then I question why the BBC has employed them. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 28 Nov 23 3.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Everybody should be responsible but they cannot all be lawyers and specialists. They need to know who to go to for advice. You can certainly contract that out but in big organisations like the BBC that’s unlikely to be commercially sensible.

Add to that the particular nature of the BBC and its need to pay close attention to these issues and you can understand why they keep it in house and pay special attention to compliance.

That is what the training is for to educate and explain the company policy. All of this can be achieved by mandatory online training which is what we did. We also had a dedicated information website for staff and managers.

The BBC already has a large staff of HR and lawyers if they don't know what to do then I question why the BBC has employed them.

One more point

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 8.01pm
Originally posted by Badger11 That is what the training is for to educate and explain the company policy. All of this can be achieved by mandatory online training which is what we did. We also had a dedicated information website for staff and managers. The BBC already has a large staff of HR and lawyers if they don't know what to do then I question why the BBC has employed them. You were involved in banking, not our national broadcaster whose reputation is trusted across the world. This is an ever more complicated area which cannot be treated like fire safety. Some things are unlikely to arise often and would not be covered. I think you are trying to apply yesterday’s situation in an unrelated industry to today’s in our national broadcaster. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 23 8.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

The BBC already has a large staff of HR and lawyers if they don't know what to do then I question why the BBC has employed them.

You were involved in banking, not our national broadcaster whose reputation is trusted across the world. This is an ever more complicated area which cannot be treated like fire safety. Some things are unlikely to arise often and would not be covered.

I think you are trying to apply yesterday’s situation in an unrelated industry to today’s in our national broadcaster.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 28 Nov 23 8.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle You were involved in banking, not our national broadcaster whose reputation is trusted across the world. This is an ever more complicated area which cannot be treated like fire safety. Some things are unlikely to arise often and would not be covered. I think you are trying to apply yesterday’s situation in an unrelated industry to today’s in our national broadcaster. Fair enough that's your opinion. I just don't accept that there is only one way of doing something, companies that can think outside the box are the ones that prosper. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 28 Nov 23 8.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I think you are trying to apply yesterday’s situation in an unrelated industry to today’s in our national broadcaster.

Fair enough that's your opinion. I just don't accept that there is only one way of doing something, companies that can think outside the box are the ones that prosper.

One more point

The Dolphin 29 Nov 23 2.21pm
[Link] Poor little chap. According to the 2021 census, 82% of the population of England and Wales was white. I suspect therefore, that if that follows through an organisation such as the BBC then the majority will be white - stands to reason. He should keep quiet really.

The Dolphin

29 Nov 23 2.21pm

[Link]

Poor little chap.
According to the 2021 census, 82% of the population of England and Wales was white.
I suspect therefore, that if that follows through an organisation such as the BBC then the majority will be white - stands to reason.
He should keep quiet really.

Stirlingsays 29 Nov 23 2.52pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin [Link] Poor little chap. According to the 2021 census, 82% of the population of England and Wales was white. I suspect therefore, that if that follows through an organisation such as the BBC then the majority will be white - stands to reason. He should keep quiet really. Not for long though. From 2011 to 2021, the percentage of people in the white British ethnic group went down from 80.5% to 74.4%....the primary school data shows about fifty percent if I remember correctly. The minority by 2050-2065 prediction by an academic is well on course....in advance probably. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.52pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

29 Nov 23 2.52pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

[Link]

Not for long though.

From 2011 to 2021, the percentage of people in the white British ethnic group went down from 80.5% to 74.4%....the primary school data shows about fifty percent if I remember correctly.

The minority by 2050-2065 prediction by an academic is well on course....in advance probably.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.52pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Midlands Eagle 29 Nov 23 3.06pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin [Link] Poor little chap. According to the 2021 census, 82% of the population of England and Wales was white. I suspect therefore, that if that follows through an organisation such as the BBC then the majority will be white - stands to reason. He should keep quiet really. No. He should leave. Not because he is Sri Lankan but because he is the most boring presenter with the most boring guests on the BBC. I tend to switch the radio off when he's on

Midlands Eagle

29 Nov 23 3.06pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

[Link]

No. He should leave. Not because he is Sri Lankan but because he is the most boring presenter with the most boring guests on the BBC. I tend to switch the radio off when he's on

silvertop Portishead 29 Nov 23 3.09pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 Going to upset a few people on here, but seriously don't care, 'woke' bbc . . . [Link] Edited by eagleman13 (27 Nov 2023 4.41pm) I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that BP, ICI, Ford, Barclays, P&G etc. all have a similar spend on similar positions and boast about it on LinkedIn.

silvertop

Portishead 29 Nov 23 3.09pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

Going to upset a few people on here, but seriously don't care, 'woke' bbc . . . [Link]

Edited by eagleman13 (27 Nov 2023 4.41pm)

I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that BP, ICI, Ford, Barclays, P&G etc. all have a similar spend on similar positions and boast about it on LinkedIn.

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 23 6.10pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not for long though. From 2011 to 2021, the percentage of people in the white British ethnic group went down from 80.5% to 74.4%....the primary school data shows about fifty percent if I remember correctly. The minority by 2050-2065 prediction by an academic is well on course....in advance probably. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.52pm) But it's all a conspiracy theory...according to Wisbech and his left wing friends. Oddly though, they have already started with the 'what does it matter' talk. The closer we get to the turning point, the less likely that democracy will halt it. Time is running out for the White British. Soon we will just be a few percent of genes in a small portion of the population. In a few hundred years we will be a curiosity in a history book. That is what our forefathers worked and fought for.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Nov 23 6.10pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not for long though.

From 2011 to 2021, the percentage of people in the white British ethnic group went down from 80.5% to 74.4%....the primary school data shows about fifty percent if I remember correctly.

The minority by 2050-2065 prediction by an academic is well on course....in advance probably.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.52pm)

But it's all a conspiracy theory...according to Wisbech and his left wing friends.

Oddly though, they have already started with the 'what does it matter' talk.

The closer we get to the turning point, the less likely that democracy will halt it. Time is running out for the White British. Soon we will just be a few percent of genes in a small portion of the population.
In a few hundred years we will be a curiosity in a history book.

That is what our forefathers worked and fought for.

Badger11 Beckenham 29 Nov 23 6.33pm
Originally posted by silvertop I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that BP, ICI, Ford, Barclays, P&G etc. all have a similar spend on similar positions and boast about it on LinkedIn. Yup I don't think this is just the BBC. NHS spends a fortune on it as well. As a general point corporations are a bit like sheep they all head the same way rather than thinking is there are better / cheaper solution. The companies that buck the trend tend to be the ones that thrive. For instance Elon Musk chose to ignore all the naysayers about electric cars and Tesla has changed the market they are all jumping on board. When Amazon first started they reinvested their profits into infrastructure the rest of the internet companies were all about pumping up the share price and then getting out before the the public wised up. Amazon deserved to prosper because it bucked the trend. Edited by Badger11 (29 Nov 2023 6.34pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 29 Nov 23 6.33pm

Originally posted by silvertop

I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect that BP, ICI, Ford, Barclays, P&G etc. all have a similar spend on similar positions and boast about it on LinkedIn.

Yup I don't think this is just the BBC. NHS spends a fortune on it as well.

As a general point corporations are a bit like sheep they all head the same way rather than thinking is there are better / cheaper solution.

The companies that buck the trend tend to be the ones that thrive.

For instance Elon Musk chose to ignore all the naysayers about electric cars and Tesla has changed the market they are all jumping on board.

When Amazon first started they reinvested their profits into infrastructure the rest of the internet companies were all about pumping up the share price and then getting out before the the public wised up. Amazon deserved to prosper because it bucked the trend.

Edited by Badger11 (29 Nov 2023 6.34pm)

One more point

cryrst The garden of England 29 Nov 23 6.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not for long though. From 2011 to 2021, the percentage of people in the white British ethnic group went down from 80.5% to 74.4%....the primary school data shows about fifty percent if I remember correctly. The minority by 2050-2065 prediction by an academic is well on course....in advance probably. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.52pm) WLM

cryrst

The garden of England 29 Nov 23 6.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not for long though.

From 2011 to 2021, the percentage of people in the white British ethnic group went down from 80.5% to 74.4%....the primary school data shows about fifty percent if I remember correctly.

The minority by 2050-2065 prediction by an academic is well on course....in advance probably.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Nov 2023 2.52pm)

WLM

Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 23 6.48pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin [Link] Poor little chap. According to the 2021 census, 82% of the population of England and Wales was white. I suspect therefore, that if that follows through an organisation such as the BBC then the majority will be white - stands to reason. He should keep quiet really. To be fair, putting the TV and seeing no White people has a similar effect on me.

Hrolf The Ganger

29 Nov 23 6.48pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

[Link]

To be fair, putting the TV and seeing no White people has a similar effect on me.

cryrst The garden of England 29 Nov 23 6.57pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger To be fair, putting the TV and seeing no White people has a similar effect on me. Oh come on we all know every single couple in the world is mixed race; or so the media think. Reality and diverse reality are quite a way apart !

cryrst

The garden of England 29 Nov 23 6.57pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

To be fair, putting the TV and seeing no White people has a similar effect on me.

Oh come on we all know every single couple in the world is mixed race; or so the media think. Reality and diverse reality are quite a way apart !

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