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Bangell Flag Oxford 21 Jun 17 8.59am

Originally posted by slubglurge

Just give Sammy Lee the job. Its beginning to look clear that the Yanks have reined in the purse strings because they want the first return on their investment. Sammy seems popular with the players and should be able to keep most happy. Signing Mamadou is now out of the question unless we can get the
Scousers to agree a season long loan loan

Two bizarre statements in one post

 

Petereagle Flag Brockley 21 Jun 17 9.03am

Originally posted by Bangell

Two bizarre statements in one post

There might well be a division of opinion at Board level as to the choice of next manager. Guys, if this is the case, sort it out pronto. With competition from Southampton now, further delay just hands the advantage to our competitors

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Midlands Eagle Flag 21 Jun 17 9.13am

Originally posted by Petereagle

There might well be a division of opinion at Board level as to the choice of next manager. Guys, if this is the case, sort it out pronto.

I'm sure that's just media stirring the pot. As Alan Pardew famously said, the Americans don't know much about football and all Steve Parish has to do is to tell them the sorry saga of Birmingham's new owners and how they very nearly wrecked the club and therefore their investment by thinking that they knew more than they did

 

CPFC/SCCC Flag Sutton 21 Jun 17 9.31am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Well documented or well rumoured?

There was a bit of a horror story in The Mirror this morning that the Americans want Dyche as he's used to managing on a shoe string. If it's true it's very worrying but there again is it true as I didn't think that The Mirror had a direct line to Harris and Blitzer

Parish suggested it in the American radio interview. With the ceiling being 8th place. Palace only being 5 pts off Southampton in 8th. The extra/extreme investment is hardly worth. The potential 3 or 5 places in the table. Worth extra 6 to 8m if 8th placed is achieved. If your an investor. We may have to go with the likes of Hennessy, ward and puncheon for one more season.

 


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europalace Flag Europe 21 Jun 17 9.40am

Originally posted by slubglurge

Its beginning to look clear that the Yanks have reined in the purse strings because they want the first return on their investment.

Really? Where have you seen this information published?

 

Dan89 Flag Se25 21 Jun 17 9.48am

Originally posted by slubglurge

Just give Sammy Lee the job. Its beginning to look clear that the Yanks have reined in the purse strings because they want the first return on their investment. Sammy seems popular with the players and should be able to keep most happy. Signing Mamadou is now out of the question unless we can get the
Scousers to agree a season long loan loan

They are investors , not fans of the football club. If we spent 100m this summer for instance. Where would you expect to finish .

 


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Dan89 Flag Se25 21 Jun 17 9.57am

Originally posted by Dan89

They are investors , not fans of the football club. If we spent 100m this summer for instance. Where would you expect to finish .

To recoup the outlay. Champions league place would be needed. With 8th place being the ceiling for our club. Even if we bought in 1 player and stay injury free. We'd stay up. Therefore our biggest money to us is the tv deal. Staying in the league achieves this. I love us to go on a spending spree. Take stoke for example after establishing yourself in the league. Little investment is needed to mantain it.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 21 Jun 17 10.06am

Originally posted by Dan89

To recoup the outlay. Champions league place would be needed. With 8th place being the ceiling for our club. Even if we bought in 1 player and stay injury free. We'd stay up. Therefore our biggest money to us is the tv deal. Staying in the league achieves this. I love us to go on a spending spree. Take stoke for example after establishing yourself in the league. Little investment is needed to mantain it.

Don't start talking to yourself. Not in public anyway. You might get sectioned.

 


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Dan89 Flag Se25 21 Jun 17 10.08am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Don't start talking to yourself. Not in public anyway. You might get sectioned.

Thanks for your concern. It looks like big Sam blew most of the budget in January.

 


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Christian Salako Flag Battle east sussex 21 Jun 17 10.09am

My first post on this monster thread...

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. He also doesn't want to be doing this again for quite a while. So balancing up someone who can be a good fit, bring the squad forward but who also wont leave within 2 years is a tough task.
It is worrying that we may be losing out on transfers although none of our competitors are doing anything at the moment, Sam would have already given SP a shortlist of players he thinks we need anyway...but whos saying the new guy doesnt have his own list.
I dont buy what HTP posted today, how the hell would they know such sensitive information about what terms we are offering a manager or what goes on in the boardroom.
My opinion - De Boer is an exciting name, but his football philosophy is very different to ours, he would suit Southampton in every way. Pelligrino - on paper looks a good fit, raw talent who has experience coaching in the PL, but no doubt he will look at Pochetino and want to have a good season or two and move on. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).

In a nutshell I would go for Pellegrino, if we get 2 good seasons then so be it, sadly the days of a manager being somewhere for much longer are gone. Plus being Argentinian he might put Jules back in the team

Sorry for long post, ive been reading with interest and finally thought id throw my thoughts out there.

 


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AERO Flag 21 Jun 17 10.30am

Surely the Burnley Board would have wanted to know Sean Dyche position,as they wouldn't want to be left high and dry looking for a new manager like us.

 

Dan89 Flag Se25 21 Jun 17 10.34am

Originally posted by AERO

Surely the Burnley Board would have wanted to know Sean Dyche position,as they wouldn't want to be left high and dry looking for a new manager like us.

Sean dyche was away on holiday. Last week

 


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Petereagle Flag Brockley 21 Jun 17 10.36am

Originally posted by Christian Salako

My first post on this monster thread...

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. He also doesn't want to be doing this again for quite a while. So balancing up someone who can be a good fit, bring the squad forward but who also wont leave within 2 years is a tough task.
It is worrying that we may be losing out on transfers although none of our competitors are doing anything at the moment, Sam would have already given SP a shortlist of players he thinks we need anyway...but whos saying the new guy doesnt have his own list.
I dont buy what HTP posted today, how the hell would they know such sensitive information about what terms we are offering a manager or what goes on in the boardroom.
My opinion - De Boer is an exciting name, but his football philosophy is very different to ours, he would suit Southampton in every way. Pelligrino - on paper looks a good fit, raw talent who has experience coaching in the PL, but no doubt he will look at Pochetino and want to have a good season or two and move on. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).

In a nutshell I would go for Pellegrino, if we get 2 good seasons then so be it, sadly the days of a manager being somewhere for much longer are gone. Plus being Argentinian he might put Jules back in the team

Sorry for long post, ive been reading with interest and finally thought id throw my thoughts out there.

Very good post, many thanks. Its still (to me) a bit of a mystery as to why its taken so long. Maybe there are some embargos we dont know about in terms of releasing information? I would be happy with any of the three you mention. Dyche is tried and tested in the PL and is a good man and budget manager. FdB obviously has managerial talent, and a good record of achievements at Ajax. Would need to adapt his coaching style to the Palace DNA so to speak. Same true of Pellegrino. No idea which of the three would be the best for Palace. Lets wait and see who is announced!

 

bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 21 Jun 17 10.37am

Originally posted by Christian Salako

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).


This isn't executive recruitment and the problem is that we're treating it as if it is. Like it or not, with respect to managers of any sort of quality, we're the beggars and they're the choosers. If we don't identify a target, make sure both parties are on the same page, and offer the job we risk the Sherwood situation where we get told to stick it.

Surely succession planning is about not being "surprised". We should have had an ongoing list of potential replacements, properly researched, so that we could identify the best target and go that. With our record of managers upping and leaving unexpectedly, together with Sam having a six-month break clause, we should have been better prepared.

The tired cliché that any opposition to Dyche is because he isn't "foreign" has long-since been debunked. Those who don't want Dyche are so minded because they don't think he's good enough and that he won't bring anything new to the party.

 


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MattLeyland28 Flag Bourne 21 Jun 17 10.38am

Originally posted by AERO

Surely the Burnley Board would have wanted to know Sean Dyche position,as they wouldn't want to be left high and dry looking for a new manager like us.

Like you say we would surely have to contact Burnley about Dyche! Makes me think if he was who we wanted then they would have told us to get it done pronto so they could replace him! Given the timescale we must be looking elsewhere?

 

AERO Flag 21 Jun 17 10.41am

But in this day and age and the amount of money involved would think they would need to know.If he leaves them for us think they will be in big trouble next season.Maybe like me he leaves his phone off for two weeks,But don't think so &#128527;

 

Den1923 Flag 21 Jun 17 10.44am

Originally posted by Christian Salako

My first post on this monster thread...

firstly im not massively surprised its taking so long, I personally work in executive recruitment and for this level role it would mean in-depth shortlisting and selection. SP probably didnt have a succession plan for Sam as it was a surprise. He also doesn't want to be doing this again for quite a while. So balancing up someone who can be a good fit, bring the squad forward but who also wont leave within 2 years is a tough task.
It is worrying that we may be losing out on transfers although none of our competitors are doing anything at the moment, Sam would have already given SP a shortlist of players he thinks we need anyway...but whos saying the new guy doesnt have his own list.
I dont buy what HTP posted today, how the hell would they know such sensitive information about what terms we are offering a manager or what goes on in the boardroom.
My opinion - De Boer is an exciting name, but his football philosophy is very different to ours, he would suit Southampton in every way. Pelligrino - on paper looks a good fit, raw talent who has experience coaching in the PL, but no doubt he will look at Pochetino and want to have a good season or two and move on. Dyche - if he was Spanish and done what he's done on a limited budget in La Liga we would be very excited. His away form is a concern plus lack of experience managing big names (Cabaye, Benteke etc).

In a nutshell I would go for Pellegrino, if we get 2 good seasons then so be it, sadly the days of a manager being somewhere for much longer are gone. Plus being Argentinian he might put Jules back in the team

Sorry for long post, ive been reading with interest and finally thought id throw my thoughts out there.


yes I agree excellent and very informative post, clearly the fit for us has to also fit the ambitions of the incoming Manager as well, so I would guess team investment has to be an important part of any agreement. This may also be the reason it is taking so long if the speculation we hear day to day is true. I would hope that one of the names mentioned is in place by the weekend at the latest so that we can get on with preparing for the pre season tour and then the critical games against Huddersfield as this is a game that we must win!

 

bexleydave Flag Barnehurst 21 Jun 17 10.45am

Originally posted by Dan89

Sean dyche was away on holiday. Last week

You can't have this both ways. We're told that, with the variety of modern methods of communication, it doesn't matter if Parish is on holiday 24/7, as it's not an impediment to getting business done. But on the other hand, Dyche is incommunicado because he's having a paddle and building a few sandcastles with a knotted hankie on his head. Both can't be correct can they?

 


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daven Flag Hailsham 21 Jun 17 10.46am

I was also wondering why Dyche hasn't come out and made a statement saying that he is not interested in the Palace job.
Considering he is one of the favourites for the job, and I don't buy the holiday excuse these technology days.

 

Den1923 Flag 21 Jun 17 10.50am

Originally posted by Petereagle

Well, we had some great defensive additions in the January trqnsfer window: Millivosevic as defensive midfielder and two good leftsided defenders in Schlupp and Van aanholt. Howver we do need considerable strengthening in the CB area with the situationovef buying or replacing Sakho. On the positive side, Dann should be well recovered by the start of the season. And we do need RB cover for Ward. But defensively we are already a lot less frail than this time last year.

yes I accept your points, however, I would hope that the investment in the forward line is replicated in the back line as well as we do need to stop leaking unnecessary goals at the back and I include the GK who sometimes makes some real howlers. The next season record against the teams around us is going to determine our season, since January (2017) our records against teams around us was not perfect by any reasons P12 W5 D1 L6 pts 16/36 hope fully that will be sorted for next term.

 

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