The point I am making is that the very same people who you deem unworthy of making specific decisions are the same people who elect the government.

The same lies and hysteria apply to General Elections and although some would question the voting system, no one questions the result.

We know that people are often not qualified to make considered decisions but surely when the people are offered some direct democracy to make a decision, we should grab it with both hands. The ones who object are usually on the losing side.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (10 Jul 2016 2.14pm)

I understand your logic in the procedural sense but in reality, governments usually win an election on a list of promises that are broken and then ignore the consensus of public opinion. I don't say that asking the electorate to vote on all policy is ever going to be workable or sensible but when it is offered, particular on such a critical question, then it should be welcomed.

The Bank of England have made it crystal clear that they were fully prepared for Brexit and will take whatever action is necessary in regard to economic and financial stability.

Going back to Brexiteers The Far Left and Far Right; When have they got anything correct ever medium to long term politically and economically? They are on the winning side this time but that lot are perennially doomed to failure.

Could be a first I suppose but don't hold yer breath.

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I think there's a fundamental flaw in your logic, the vast majority are middle of the road, just like the vast majority of remainers.

Yes I know. My point being that the two Fars have never gotten it correct ever in political or economic history. They leave a legacy of strife and sh1te. They voted Leave. In their judgement Leave was best.

Their judgement. There is your problem.

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So you wouldn't like to agree with people who you normally disagree with?

That's a bit dogmatic.

I am not from "the left". I haven't voted Labour since I was a spotty teenager and that was more than 50 years ago. I have been solidly Tory all my life, believe in free enterprise and parliamentary democracy. The problem with the right is that they never think they are there. Just as a racist or a homophobe denies it, so do the right. They are always think they are in the middle and represent mainstream opinion. They don't and your posts say everything that needs to be said.

Maybe you were one of those who made their decision on an opinion that the UK would be better off economically outside of the EU. I do not though think it can legitimately be described as "informed". The really informed opinions, from those whose job it is to be informed, were all the other way. What you possess is nostalgia and hope, which in these circumstances are worthless commodities.

That there are a few like you is undoubtedly true. There are some of you down the pub, and on here. UKIP types exist. Unfortunately. However they are not enough to gain 52% of the 72% who voted. That required people to vote on lies and promises that can never be fulfilled, plus others making protest votes about austerity and blaming the first target they could kick.

No-one voted remain as a protest so remove the false leave votes and remain won by a substantial margin. This is an issue which will not just be swept away by people determined to justify the unjustifiable by way of a flawed referendum. There are many moves afoot already. The political turmoil of the past 2 weeks is directly related to the need to overturn the decision. You "old chum" have a lot yet to learn. My blood pressure is fine. It is the determination levels of people like me that has been raised. True middle England has woken up.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Equally remove the votes of those who voted remain because it was the easy (not right) thing to do in their minds and were back to square one. Accept what happened and move on.

Also, anyone who voted Tory and is now acting devastated at us leaving the EU is a major hypocrite. They were the only mainstream party to offer a referendum and if being in the EU meant that much to you you wouldn't have voted for them just to avoid the risk of this happening, no matter how unlikely it seemed at the time. Instead, you did vote Tory, got the referendum and lost and now act devastated. It's probably project fear that's got you upset but you are as culpable as those who voted out in the outcome of us leaving the EU.

People like me resented the referendum but saw it as a way of shutting up the right of the party for good and pushing UKIP into the long grass. A combination of events caused the disaster. It is not what the majority really want, of that I am totally convinced. The vote on the day was lost. That is accepted. The battle to save the country has only just begun. Politics doesn't end just because of a referendum vote. Your opponents are entitled to argue and they will. New governments can acquire new mandates. "Project fear" was yet another leave lie. The fear was real. They were warnings which have all been shown subsequently to be true. If those warnings, given by people whose jobs depend on actually understanding these things, have proved true so far then why on earth should their predictions for the longer term be wrong? They are not and those who continue to use hope as their argument are simply in denial.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.