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Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Jun 17 10.42am
Originally posted by DanH I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so. At 72% it's gone well over the university pre grad/ post grad percentage so it'll have to deliver jobs and not the feared rising inflation and interest rates or they'll be put off again for years. There is a kind of irony in their vote because of this and also in their pro immigration EU vote but I get the former, not so much the latter. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 12 Jun 17 10.42am

Originally posted by DanH

I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so.

At 72% it's gone well over the university pre grad/ post grad percentage so it'll have to deliver jobs and not the feared rising inflation and interest rates or they'll be put off again for years.

There is a kind of irony in their vote because of this and also in their pro immigration EU vote but I get the former, not so much the latter.

COYP

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Jun 17 10.48am
Originally posted by DanH I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so. The sneering is happening from all sides. Over the past few weeks I have seen everything, calling old people selfish, telling women to not let men make decisions for them, as well as race being used. It is a shame people can't just encourage the demographic they are targeting instead of doing it to the detriment of others the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 12 Jun 17 10.48am

Originally posted by DanH

I hope this sneering at the young/student vote continues. Guaranteed to mobilise more people to vote when we have another inevitable election in the next year or so.

The sneering is happening from all sides. Over the past few weeks I have seen everything, calling old people selfish, telling women to not let men make decisions for them, as well as race being used. It is a shame people can't just encourage the demographic they are targeting instead of doing it to the detriment of others

the dignified don't even enter in the game

steeleye20 Croydon 12 Jun 17 11.44am
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch The sneering is happening from all sides. Over the past few weeks I have seen everything, calling old people selfish, telling women to not let men make decisions for them, as well as race being used. It is a shame people can't just encourage the demographic they are targeting instead of doing it to the detriment of others No people are horrible. 'Hell is other people'.

steeleye20

Croydon 12 Jun 17 11.44am

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

No people are horrible.

'Hell is other people'.

DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 12 Jun 17 12.14pm
Well there was a little matter of another referendum in 2011 (see link), the British people spoke then, and the British people are assumed to know best just like in the Brexit referendum. While the Brexit referendum was disgraceful powerplay in the Conservative party by Cameron, I have little sympathy for the "whining young voters" claiming Brexit was not decided by them. They turned out in these elections but British Politics would probably have looked different if they had bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum. [Link] by Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Possibly. 318 Conservative Seats subtract 261 Labour seats is 57 seats. The tories polled 2.4% more than Labour, which I don't think works out as 57 more seats.

DutchEagleJohan

Vlissingen, Netherlands 12 Jun 17 12.14pm

Well there was a little matter of another referendum in 2011 (see link), the British people spoke then, and the British people are assumed to know best just like in the Brexit referendum. While the Brexit referendum was disgraceful powerplay in the Conservative party by Cameron, I have little sympathy for the "whining young voters" claiming Brexit was not decided by them. They turned out in these elections but British Politics would probably have looked different if they had bothered to vote in the Brexit referendum.

[Link]

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Possibly.

318 Conservative Seats subtract 261 Labour seats is 57 seats. The tories polled 2.4% more than Labour, which I don't think works out as 57 more seats.

Username Horsham 12 Jun 17 12.52pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman At 72% it's gone well over the university pre grad/ post grad percentage so it'll have to deliver jobs and not the feared rising inflation and interest rates or they'll be put off again for years. There is a kind of irony in their vote because of this and also in their pro immigration EU vote but I get the former, not so much the latter. The flipside of the immigration/movement debate is that a lot of young people, particularly those who have graduate jobs, often see opportunities in themselves going abroad for a few years. Plenty of my friends have spent a year or two working in other countries (EU and non-EU), and were quite annoyed that this would be unlikely to be repeated in the future. Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

Username

Horsham 12 Jun 17 12.52pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

At 72% it's gone well over the university pre grad/ post grad percentage so it'll have to deliver jobs and not the feared rising inflation and interest rates or they'll be put off again for years.

There is a kind of irony in their vote because of this and also in their pro immigration EU vote but I get the former, not so much the latter.

The flipside of the immigration/movement debate is that a lot of young people, particularly those who have graduate jobs, often see opportunities in themselves going abroad for a few years. Plenty of my friends have spent a year or two working in other countries (EU and non-EU), and were quite annoyed that this would be unlikely to be repeated in the future.

Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 1.40pm
[Link] Labour membership up by 150,000 since the election. Now hitting 800,000 mark. Waddaloadas*** that Corbyn is, he should be keeping membership down to 150,000 like the Tories. If only 1% knock on doors, that's still a lot of activists and campaigners. Probably helped to scupper May. I was laughed at when I said rank and file campaigners will make a difference.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 1.40pm

[Link]

Labour membership up by 150,000 since the election. Now hitting 800,000 mark.

Waddaloadas*** that Corbyn is, he should be keeping membership down to 150,000 like the Tories.

If only 1% knock on doors, that's still a lot of activists and campaigners. Probably helped to scupper May.

I was laughed at when I said rank and file campaigners will make a difference.

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 1.46pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] Labour membership up by 150,000 since the election. Now hitting 800,000 mark. Waddaloadas*** that Corbyn is, he should be keeping membership down to 150,000 like the Tories. If only 1% knock on doors, that's still a lot of activists and campaigners. Probably helped to scupper May. I was laughed at when I said rank and file campaigners will make a difference. If your intention is to tell us there are a lot of gullible people in the world, I think PT Barnum might have beat you to it.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 1.46pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

[Link]

Labour membership up by 150,000 since the election. Now hitting 800,000 mark.

Waddaloadas*** that Corbyn is, he should be keeping membership down to 150,000 like the Tories.

If only 1% knock on doors, that's still a lot of activists and campaigners. Probably helped to scupper May.

I was laughed at when I said rank and file campaigners will make a difference.

If your intention is to tell us there are a lot of gullible people in the world, I think PT Barnum might have beat you to it.

jamiemartin721 Reading 12 Jun 17 2.35pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If your intention is to tell us there are a lot of gullible people in the world, I think PT Barnum might have beat you to it. Funny, I always think that of people who vote conservative who buy into the whole more for less mentality. Of course I also don't believe politicians when they promise anything that seems too good to be true. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 12 Jun 17 2.35pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If your intention is to tell us there are a lot of gullible people in the world, I think PT Barnum might have beat you to it.

Funny, I always think that of people who vote conservative who buy into the whole more for less mentality.

Of course I also don't believe politicians when they promise anything that seems too good to be true.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.01pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Funny, I always think that of people who vote conservative who buy into the whole more for less mentality. Of course I also don't believe politicians when they promise anything that seems too good to be true. What is that exactly?

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 3.01pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Funny, I always think that of people who vote conservative who buy into the whole more for less mentality.

Of course I also don't believe politicians when they promise anything that seems too good to be true.

What is that exactly?

Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 3.04pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If your intention is to tell us there are a lot of gullible people in the world, I think PT Barnum might have beat you to it. Yeah cos the rest are all such independent thinkers aren't they! How else would the inspired decisions of Trump and Brexit come about? Thank God the economic conservatives geniuses live amongst us. If only those French weren't so gullible. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

12 Jun 17 3.04pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If your intention is to tell us there are a lot of gullible people in the world, I think PT Barnum might have beat you to it.

Yeah cos the rest are all such independent thinkers aren't they! How else would the inspired decisions of Trump and Brexit come about? Thank God the economic conservatives geniuses live amongst us. If only those French weren't so gullible.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 3.06pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Funny, I always think that of people who vote conservative who buy into the whole more for less mentality. Of course I also don't believe politicians when they promise anything that seems too good to be true. It's funny that conservatives want to take sentiment away from every single argument but fail to ever mention the damage on the economy of consistent cuts and austerity. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

12 Jun 17 3.06pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Funny, I always think that of people who vote conservative who buy into the whole more for less mentality.

Of course I also don't believe politicians when they promise anything that seems too good to be true.

It's funny that conservatives want to take sentiment away from every single argument but fail to ever mention the damage on the economy of consistent cuts and austerity.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.10pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Yeah cos the rest are all such independent thinkers aren't they! How else would the inspired decisions of Trump and Brexit come about? Thank God the economic conservatives geniuses live amongst us. If only those French weren't so gullible. I don't think many people in the electorate make informed choices. It's just that voting for Corbyn on the basis that he is 'a nice man' or 'in touch with the people' or creating 'a new brand of politics' is so staggeringly misguided and naive.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 3.10pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I don't think many people in the electorate make informed choices. It's just that voting for Corbyn on the basis that he is 'a nice man' or 'in touch with the people' or creating 'a new brand of politics' is so staggeringly misguided and naive.

Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 3.12pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I don't think many people in the electorate make informed choices. It's just that voting for Corbyn on the basis that he is 'a nice man' or 'in touch with the people' or creating 'a new brand of politics' is so staggeringly misguided and naive. Or perhaps some saw that the alternative was in fact far more reckless for society. Every set of policies will always have a legitimate counter argument, perhaps the reason him being a "nice man" was worth a lot more than Tories expected. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

12 Jun 17 3.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Or perhaps some saw that the alternative was in fact far more reckless for society. Every set of policies will always have a legitimate counter argument, perhaps the reason him being a "nice man" was worth a lot more than Tories expected.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.15pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez It's funny that conservatives want to take sentiment away from every single argument but fail to ever mention the damage on the economy of consistent cuts and austerity. You do understand that 'austerity' was for a reason, not just to be mean? And 'austerity' really isn't very austere in 2017. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jun 2017 3.15pm)

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 3.15pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

It's funny that conservatives want to take sentiment away from every single argument but fail to ever mention the damage on the economy of consistent cuts and austerity.

You do understand that 'austerity' was for a reason, not just to be mean?

And 'austerity' really isn't very austere in 2017.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jun 2017 3.15pm)

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.18pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez Or perhaps some saw that the alternative was in fact far more reckless for society. Every set of policies will always have a legitimate counter argument, perhaps the reason him being a "nice man" was worth a lot more than Tories expected. Perhaps, but very disturbing in terms of what people will vote for. Lord Bucket Head will be greatly encouraged for next time.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 3.18pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Or perhaps some saw that the alternative was in fact far more reckless for society. Every set of policies will always have a legitimate counter argument, perhaps the reason him being a "nice man" was worth a lot more than Tories expected.

Perhaps, but very disturbing in terms of what people will vote for.
Lord Bucket Head will be greatly encouraged for next time.

Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 3.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You do understand that 'austerity' was for a reason, not just to be mean? And 'austerity' really isn't very austere in 2017. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jun 2017 3.15pm) No of course I don't understand that, I'm deluded remember. It's the level and length of Austerity that is damaging, this is "basic economics". I'd argue you've got your head buried in the sand if you can't see the chronic underfunding of our public services. Do you not see the damage that the crisis of our Schools and NHS will have on the economy? Besides the fact that it's a bit mean as well. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

12 Jun 17 3.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You do understand that 'austerity' was for a reason, not just to be mean?

And 'austerity' really isn't very austere in 2017.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jun 2017 3.15pm)

No of course I don't understand that, I'm deluded remember. It's the level and length of Austerity that is damaging, this is "basic economics". I'd argue you've got your head buried in the sand if you can't see the chronic underfunding of our public services. Do you not see the damage that the crisis of our Schools and NHS will have on the economy? Besides the fact that it's a bit mean as well.

We're the Arthur over ere!

Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 12 Jun 17 3.29pm
Corbyn and Labour back to the left and right hand etc [Link] the dignified don't even enter in the game

Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 12 Jun 17 3.29pm

Corbyn and Labour back to the left and right hand etc

[Link]

the dignified don't even enter in the game

Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jun 17 3.29pm
Originally posted by Mstrobez No of course I don't understand that, I'm deluded remember. It's the level and length of Austerity that is damaging, this is "basic economics". I'd argue you've got your head buried in the sand if you can't see the chronic underfunding of our public services. Do you not see the damage that the crisis of our Schools and NHS will have on the economy? Besides the fact that it's a bit mean as well. What I see is trying to fund these services at a level that is sustainable. Throwing borrowed monet at things didn't work under Labour last time and it won't in the future. The NHS in particular needs to be more accountable for what it spends and needs to be realistic about what it can do.

Hrolf The Ganger

12 Jun 17 3.29pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez

No of course I don't understand that, I'm deluded remember. It's the level and length of Austerity that is damaging, this is "basic economics". I'd argue you've got your head buried in the sand if you can't see the chronic underfunding of our public services. Do you not see the damage that the crisis of our Schools and NHS will have on the economy? Besides the fact that it's a bit mean as well.

What I see is trying to fund these services at a level that is sustainable. Throwing borrowed monet at things didn't work under Labour last time and it won't in the future. The NHS in particular needs to be more accountable for what it spends and needs to be realistic about what it can do.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 3.38pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What I see is trying to fund these services at a level that is sustainable. Throwing borrowed monet at things didn't work under Labour last time and it won't in the future. The NHS in particular needs to be more accountable for what it spends and needs to be realistic about what it can do. Is that a reference to the political landscape? I think you can do better, put yer art into it a bit more.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 12 Jun 17 3.38pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What I see is trying to fund these services at a level that is sustainable. Throwing borrowed monet at things didn't work under Labour last time and it won't in the future. The NHS in particular needs to be more accountable for what it spends and needs to be realistic about what it can do.

Is that a reference to the political landscape?

I think you can do better, put yer art into it a bit more.

Mstrobez 12 Jun 17 3.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What I see is trying to fund these services at a level that is sustainable. Throwing borrowed monet at things didn't work under Labour last time and it won't in the future. The NHS in particular needs to be more accountable for what it spends and needs to be realistic about what it can do. It's a good job they were proposing to fund it through tax increases then wasn't it. If not they'd only be adding to the current Tory policy of borrowing more than all labour governments put together. Quite an achievement in fairness when you include the Blair era in that. We're the Arthur over ere!

Mstrobez

12 Jun 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It's a good job they were proposing to fund it through tax increases then wasn't it. If not they'd only be adding to the current Tory policy of borrowing more than all labour governments put together. Quite an achievement in fairness when you include the Blair era in that.

We're the Arthur over ere!

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