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Originally posted by Kermit8
51.9% is hardly an overwhelming mandate. Especially as an earlier poll linked on this thread had 7% of Brexiteers as having changed their minds already. If you still want 'Out' you are still going to have to fight for it. I am not sure though if all the Vote Leave lot have the stomach for it. Boris, Andrea, Nigel and Michael. Where are they now? Really? Still clinging on to that. And if only Mark Hughes hadn't scored. I don't need to fight for anything. The Tories and David Cameron in particular, settled the party infighting with a make or break referendum and they sure aren't going to risk a split now by denying the result. This is not just about the future of Britain but also the future of the Conservative Party.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I take it that you cannot find proof that I have denied the result of the referendum then. Care to withdraw your lie or do we let it stand because lots of people lie anyway so it doesn't matter. Do grow up.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Really? Still clinging on to that. And if only Mark Hughes hadn't scored. I don't need to fight for anything. The Tories and David Cameron in particular, settled the party infighting with a make or break referendum and they sure aren't going to risk a split now by denying the result. This is not just about the future of Britain but also the future of the Conservative Party. Mind if I print that post out and season it in readiness to send it on to you?
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Mind if I print that post out and season it in readiness to send it on to you? I'll stand by that statement and if I'm wrong I will admit it.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Do grow up. Stop lying about what I have or haven't said. It's easy really. Now I'll ask again, in a slightly different way. Which parts of your reasoning behind voting leave do you think will be carried through? Is there anything you hoped would happen that looks likely not to happen?
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Stop lying about what I have or haven't said. It's easy really. Now I'll ask again, in a slightly different way. Which parts of your reasoning behind voting leave do you think will be carried through? Is there anything you hoped would happen that looks likely not to happen? Yes. I hoped you would stop posting twaddle. Not surprisingly, the process hasn't even begun yet. Which part of that didn't you understand the last 3 times I posted it?
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes. I hoped you would stop posting twaddle. Not surprisingly, the process hasn't even begun yet. Which part of that didn't you understand the last 3 times I posted it? For something that's not started a lot has happened. New pm, all the champions of leave have left, The SNP ain't happy as they say Scotland voted yes, more and more evidence of lying in both campaigns are the first things I can think of, all caused by the result of a vote to leave. Add the oh we don't have an actual plan line that isbeing given out.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
For something that's not started a lot has happened. New pm, all the champions of leave have left, The SNP ain't happy as they say Scotland voted yes, more and more evidence of lying in both campaigns are the first things I can think of, all caused by the result of a vote to leave. Add the oh we don't have an actual plan line that isbeing given out. I'm not responding any more. We are two weeks in and your debating skills have dropped to a sub par level. With perhaps the exception of Boris pulling out of the race without a whimper, nothing has happened or not happened that wasn't totally predictable...and you know it.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'm not responding any more. We are two weeks in and your debating skills have dropped to a sub par level. With perhaps the exception of Boris pulling out of the race without a whimper, nothing has happened or not happened that wasn't totally predictable...and you know it. Says the one who has blatantly lied, answers questions with questions and resorts to ad hominem insults.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Says the one who has blatantly lied, answers questions with questions and resorts to ad hominem insults. You have spent too much time on the BB*. But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
For something that's not started a lot has happened. New pm, all the champions of leave have left, The SNP ain't happy as they say Scotland voted yes, more and more evidence of lying in both campaigns are the first things I can think of, all caused by the result of a vote to leave. Add the oh we don't have an actual plan line that isbeing given out. We don't have a cabinet and the PM hasn't taken over yet. At some point after the cabinet has settled in and more details are set out within cabinet, Article 50 will be invoked. Then, or just before, behind closed doors, there'll be negotiations. Does that answer? Anyway, you cannot plan completely before something so uncertain of what and how much will be in your favour, can you? So what is the point of planning when you do not know this? If you were to plan and illustrate it in a diagram it'd be a flow chart with so many branches it would like an incestuous family tree on Eastenders. They can plan on who will take on what and what their approach will be, but cannot plan beyond that. I don't know why there has to be pages of posts moaning about this as it's quite obvious and something that you'll have to wait for. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 5.47pm)
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You have spent too much time on the BB*. But please don't let me stop you going back there ASAP. No substance again. Good work.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
We don't have a cabinet and the PM hasn't taken over yet. At some point after the cabinet has settled in and more details are set out within cabinet, Article 50 will be invoked. Then, or just before, behind closed doors, there'll be negotiations. Does that answer? Anyway, you cannot plan completely before something so uncertain of what and how much will be in your favour, can you? So what is the point of planning when you do not know this? If you were to plan and illustrate it in a diagram it'd be a flow chart with so many branches it would like an incestuous family tree on Eastenders. They can plan on who will take on what and what their approach will be, but cannot plan beyond that. I don't know why there has to be pages of posts moaning about this as it's quite obvious and something that you'll have to wait for. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Jul 2016 5.47pm) So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum?
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Originally posted by nickgusset
So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum? The leave camp were not the govt or cabinet and couldn't. If they did they'd be criticised for it. May and the soon to be cabinet couldn't undermine Cameron and didn't even know who would be PM or in cabinet. The only people who could plan anything was Cameron and Osbourne and not even they could plan anything beyond negotiations.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum? What can you possibly have a plan for in the context of the referendum result? You keep asking these daft questions knowing full well that they are meaningless in the real world.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
The leave camp were not the govt or cabinet and couldn't. If they did they'd be criticised for it. May and the soon to be cabinet couldn't undermine Cameron and didn't even know who would be PM or in cabinet. The only people who could plan anything was Cameron and Osbourne and not even they could plan anything beyond negotiations. How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection. I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters. Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection. I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters. Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way. You do understand the concept of politics right? Ask me grown up questions and I might answer. I would happily see the railways renationalised but that will cost the tax payer who never gets on a train. I know you Labour lot like to borrow, borrow, borrow and then let the Tories clear up your mess but despite the appeal, try and remember what Britain was like pre Thatcher, before privatisation and when unions held us all to ransom on a weekly basis. Are you old Enough? Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2016 6.39pm)
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Originally posted by nickgusset
How are we going to take back our country then? That's what the leave campaign was based on from my recollection. I'd wrest control of British services (gas, leccy, water and railways) from foreign, yet heavily subsidised by the uk taxpayer, ownership and nationalise them for starters. Can anyone see May getting our country back in this way. Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter. It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic. One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter. It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic. One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones. Seconded, but it will come at a cost.
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
Would that be with or without compensation? Vastly expensive if the former, unwise if the latter. It'd be easy with the train companies as you could just claw back franchises as they expire but sacking off the likes of nPower and e-on could be problematic. One of the few things I'll always agree with you about is that essential infrastructure should not be in private hands and especially not in foreign ones. I to agree with you cucking, the one thing I hated about the government at the time.
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