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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 22 Aug 17 6.19pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You know, there are a lot of problems with Trump but to me....this truly isn't one of them.

In fact, the kind of people that this 'nothing' p1sses off are precisely the type of people I would love to permanently p1ss off because they p1ss me off.


So, to sum up your thoughts here...

[Link]

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays Flag 22 Aug 17 6.34pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


So, to sum up your thoughts here...

[Link]

Mmmm...showing your stereotypes there you know....I'm a fully qualified secondary school teacher who has spent most of my time helping people.....Being in IT and computing....I am a nerd.

I just don't fit your stereotypes that's all.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 22 Aug 17 7.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmm...showing your stereotypes there you know....I'm a fully qualified secondary school teacher who has spent most of my time helping people.....Being in IT and computing....I am a nerd.

I just don't fit your stereotypes that's all.


Yet you seem to have no compunction against stereotyping and judging people here, so you can add hypocrite to your list of credentials, along with a short circuit in your irony metre.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays Flag 22 Aug 17 7.24pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Yet you seem to have no compunction against stereotyping and judging people here, so you can add hypocrite to your list of credentials, along with a short circuit in your irony metre.

Not really.

I have no problem with you stereotyping, I do it and we all do it. I'm just pointing that out here. It's alright to criticise me....hey, maybe at some point you'll be accurate.

You keep reaching for a gotcha Ray and it's a bit sad.

But keep going, because at the same time it's kind of endearing.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 22 Aug 17 7.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not really.

I have no problem with you stereotyping, I do it and we all do it. I'm just pointing that out here. It's alright to criticise me....hey, maybe at some point you'll be accurate.

You keep reaching for a gotcha Ray and it's a bit sad.

But keep going, because at the same time it's kind of endearing.


"I know what you are but what am I" stops being a witty retort after about age 5. Despite your condescension, though, you still miss the point completely: you apply your own prejudices to others without the slightest idea of who they are or how they live.

The most recent and applicable example being that you assume I live a selfish lifestyle because I choose not to have children. It happens to be very wrong, but that's irrelevant; it was a judgment made from zero knowledge on your part as to how I live.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

Stirlingsays Flag 22 Aug 17 7.50pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


"I know what you are but what am I" stops being a witty retort after about age 5. Despite your condescension, though, you still miss the point completely: you apply your own prejudices to others without the slightest idea of who they are or how they live.

The most recent and applicable example being that you assume I live a selfish lifestyle because I choose not to have children. It happens to be very wrong, but that's irrelevant; it was a judgment made from zero knowledge on your part as to how I live.

I do apply my prejudices that's right as we all do.

However, I've been on this earth for quite a while and while I've already recognized that I could be wrong reading your posts over a far bit of time does leave an impression. Self absorbed selfish people tend to collate around similar life choices....especially if they have a little means.

But hey there is always a subjectivity to these matters....am I being an arrogant arse saying this.....probably.....well very probably....if it means anything...you have my recognition of that.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Aug 2017 7.53pm)

 


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wordup Flag 22 Aug 17 8.49pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Looks like a dead man walking politically speaking. To few allies and too many enemies.

True, but the position offers significant legal protections for himself and others. He'll hang on for the foreseeable and I don't see him going anywhere without eventually pardoning those around him and being pardoned himself.

 

Ray in Houston Flag Houston 24 Aug 17 3.05pm

So Glenn Simpson - the founder of Fusion GPS, the organisation that ordered up the Steele dossier on Trump (the peepee party file published by Buzzfeed) - spent more than 10 hours testifying in closed session to the Senate Intelligence Committee. Fusion GPS also turned over around 40,000 documents to the committee.

Now, the uproar over the golden shower aspects of the Steele dossier kind of drowned out the 99% of the findings that didn't involve hooker whizz, but did involve the explanation of how the Russians had been cultivating Trump for years, while at the same time collecting kompromat to use against him when the time came. Ironically, the Russians found that they didn't need blackmail to get Trump to do what they wanted, he would do it willingly.

While the squawking about the dossier has died down since its controversial publication by Buzzfeed, over time the less salacious aspects of the findings have been independently confirmed. I understand that, while not everything has been verified, things have only been confirmed and nothing has yet been found to be false (this may be because they started with the low hanging fruit). People in the know describe Christopher Steele as a serious operator, as you might expect from a former MI6 agent, so it would be unlikely that he'd come up with a fake account especially one with such outlandish details.

So this brings us back to Simpson and his Senate testimony. Chuck Grassley (Republican) - the committee chairman - has been asked about publishing the testimony by one of his own constituents. He dodged, claiming that the transcript needs to be checked and approved by Simpson but otherwise he has no current objections to releasing the transcript. Well, there is no obligation on the committee to allow the interviewee to confirm the transcript, and Simpson has said that he's happy for them to publish the whole thing right now along with all the 40,000 or so documents.

Simpson's testimony, the Steele dossier and all that supporting documentation now provided has been described as a road map to the Trump-Russia scandal. Watch this space...

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

wordup Flag 25 Aug 17 3.53pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

So Glenn Simpson - the founder of Fusion GPS, the organisation that ordered up the Steele dossier on Trump (the peepee party file published by Buzzfeed) - spent more than 10 hours testifying in closed session to the Senate Intelligence Committee. Fusion GPS also turned over around 40,000 documents to the committee.

Now, the uproar over the golden shower aspects of the Steele dossier kind of drowned out the 99% of the findings that didn't involve hooker whizz, but did involve the explanation of how the Russians had been cultivating Trump for years, while at the same time collecting kompromat to use against him when the time came. Ironically, the Russians found that they didn't need blackmail to get Trump to do what they wanted, he would do it willingly.

While the squawking about the dossier has died down since its controversial publication by Buzzfeed, over time the less salacious aspects of the findings have been independently confirmed. I understand that, while not everything has been verified, things have only been confirmed and nothing has yet been found to be false (this may be because they started with the low hanging fruit). People in the know describe Christopher Steele as a serious operator, as you might expect from a former MI6 agent, so it would be unlikely that he'd come up with a fake account especially one with such outlandish details.

So this brings us back to Simpson and his Senate testimony. Chuck Grassley (Republican) - the committee chairman - has been asked about publishing the testimony by one of his own constituents. He dodged, claiming that the transcript needs to be checked and approved by Simpson but otherwise he has no current objections to releasing the transcript. Well, there is no obligation on the committee to allow the interviewee to confirm the transcript, and Simpson has said that he's happy for them to publish the whole thing right now along with all the 40,000 or so documents.

Simpson's testimony, the Steele dossier and all that supporting documentation now provided has been described as a road map to the Trump-Russia scandal. Watch this space...

GOP senator wrote a bill to protect Robert Mueller. Trump called him to try to kill it - [Link]

He's done this so many times now, Comey's firing being the most transparent and egregious example. Big league Obstruction of justice.

 

wordup Flag 26 Aug 17 2.52am

Originally posted by wordup

True, but the position offers significant legal protections for himself and others. He'll hang on for the foreseeable and I don't see him going anywhere without eventually pardoning those around him and being pardoned himself.

Yes I know I'm quoting myself! Now that we've had our first pardon, it will act to ease people into ones much closer to home further down the line. This is a nice message to those in hot water right now that 'trump has your back'.

 

Ray in Houston Flag Houston 26 Aug 17 3.25am

Originally posted by wordup

Yes I know I'm quoting myself! Now that we've had our first pardon, it will act to ease people into ones much closer to home further down the line. This is a nice message to those in hot water right now that 'trump has your back'.

A pardon done without a recommendation from the DOJ, and under the cover of a Friday night / hurricane.

And let's not be confused here: Sherriff Arpaio targeted and locked up American citizens because they looked Hispanic. He was told to stop; he signed an agreement to say that he'd stop; and he kept on doing it. Only then was he prosecuted.

Trump pardoned him with there being no legal confusion or conflict about his conviction. He did it because "Sherriff Joe" is a perfect political metaphor.

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

legaleagle Flag 26 Aug 17 11.20am

Just returned from the US...

Have never seen it so divided in the past 40 years, due to the DT's antics and the undermining of the integrity of the office of the presidency

Republican Party showing signs of falling apart.

As the previous poster said,Sheriff Joe consciously and repeatedly broke the law..no shades of legal doubt.

DT refers to him as a "patriot"...

The same "patriot" who over his"24-year tenure as sheriff of Maricopa county, .. gained notoriety for detaining hundreds of undocumented immigrants in a Tent City jail and forcing them to wear pink underwear. The sheriff courted controversy and media attention – calling his own jail a “concentration camp”, ... and selling replica pink underwear to the public – as he became a national figurehead for the virulent xenophobia that Trump embraced in his presidential campaign.

...Hilarie Bass, the president of the American Bar Association, said in a statement: “Pardoning a law enforcement officer who has disobeyed the courts and violated the rights of people he has sworn to protect undercuts judicial authority and the public’s faith in our legal system.”

 

.TUX. Flag 26 Aug 17 12.53pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Just returned from the US...

Have never seen it so divided in the past 40 years, due to the DT's antics and the undermining of the integrity of the office of the presidency

Republican Party showing signs of falling apart.

As the previous poster said,Sheriff Joe consciously and repeatedly broke the law..no shades of legal doubt.

DT refers to him as a "patriot"...

The same "patriot" who over his"24-year tenure as sheriff of Maricopa county, .. gained notoriety for detaining hundreds of undocumented immigrants in a Tent City jail and forcing them to wear pink underwear. The sheriff courted controversy and media attention – calling his own jail a “concentration camp”, ... and selling replica pink underwear to the public – as he became a national figurehead for the virulent xenophobia that Trump embraced in his presidential campaign.

...Hilarie Bass, the president of the American Bar Association, said in a statement: “Pardoning a law enforcement officer who has disobeyed the courts and violated the rights of people he has sworn to protect undercuts judicial authority and the public’s faith in our legal system.”

With all due respect , what a load of bollox.

The office of the presidency has been completely devoid of ''integrity'' for bloody decades.
In real life we now have black people who were never slaves fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats and blaming it all on Trump.
Blinkered thinking (you're not alone in this) is the biggest cause of many of these problems.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Aug 17 1.47pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect , what a load of bollox.

The office of the presidency has been completely devoid of ''integrity'' for bloody decades.
In real life we now have black people who were never slaves fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats and blaming it all on Trump.
Blinkered thinking (you're not alone in this) is the biggest cause of many of these problems.

Seconded.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 26 Aug 17 1.54pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect , what a load of bollox.

The office of the presidency has been completely devoid of ''integrity'' for bloody decades.
In real life we now have black people who were never slaves fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats and blaming it all on Trump.
Blinkered thinking (you're not alone in this) is the biggest cause of many of these problems.

'Thirded' - lucid good sense.

 


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wordup Flag 26 Aug 17 1.56pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

A pardon done without a recommendation from the DOJ, and under the cover of a Friday night / hurricane.

And let's not be confused here: Sherriff Arpaio targeted and locked up American citizens because they looked Hispanic. He was told to stop; he signed an agreement to say that he'd stop; and he kept on doing it. Only then was he prosecuted.

Trump pardoned him with there being no legal confusion or conflict about his conviction. He did it because "Sherriff Joe" is a perfect political metaphor.

It is a weird one. Mostly sentences are commuted by pardons and for clearly defined crimes. In this case Arpaio hadn't even been sentenced and was convicted of contempt of court for refusing to obey the law. Pardoning a contempt of court ruling is pretty much saying that it doesn't matter if you adhere to the rule of law or not.

There is an ongoing attempt to completely delegitimise both the media and judiciary. That way he can soften people up for the inevitable pardons he will issue in relation to those around him. All to protect himself of course.


Edited by wordup (26 Aug 2017 6.24pm)

 

legaleagle Flag 26 Aug 17 7.02pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect , what a load of bollox.

The office of the presidency has been completely devoid of ''integrity'' for bloody decades.
In real life we now have black people who were never slaves fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats and blaming it all on Trump.
Blinkered thinking (you're not alone in this) is the biggest cause of many of these problems.

Thanks equally for your,with all due respect, "utter bollox" response.

Trump denudes the presidency of even the limited integrity holders of the office usually seem forced to exhibit as national symbols.He is an exemplar of the new age,seemingly so welcomed by some seconders and thirders on here .He is a part of the problem,not a part of the solution.(The problem is not simply reduceable to the Fed Reserve and its ilk).

In real life we now in the USA have right thinking people battling right wing racists and their sympathisers over statues erected by racists commemorating racists.

Blindness(you're not alone in this), is a factor exacerbating rather than abating these problems.

Edited by legaleagle (26 Aug 2017 7.10pm)

 

.TUX. Flag 26 Aug 17 7.57pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Thanks equally for your,with all due respect, "utter bollox" response.

Trump denudes the presidency of even the limited integrity holders of the office usually seem forced to exhibit as national symbols.He is an exemplar of the new age,seemingly so welcomed by some seconders and thirders on here .He is a part of the problem,not a part of the solution.(The problem is not simply reduceable to the Fed Reserve and its ilk).

In real life we now in the USA have right thinking people battling right wing racists and their sympathisers over statues erected by racists commemorating racists.

Blindness(you're not alone in this), is a factor exacerbating rather than abating these problems.

Edited by legaleagle (26 Aug 2017 7.10pm)

You can't see the bigger picture.......but you're not alone in being wrong.
Trump is not the problem, the system (here as well as the IOUSA) IS the problem.
You can bash the keyboard as long as you like bud but your time would be better spent looking into why those who follow you will be worse off than you are at this moment in time.
So stop dicking about with stuff that ultimately doesn't matter and start looking into why you are worse off than your grandparents.
Expand your well intentioned thoughts.

 


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legaleagle Flag 27 Aug 17 9.28pm

Of course you are right,there is a bigger macro picture.
But,on a micro level,which is what I was posting about, as Richard Neville so aptly put it,there may only be an inch of difference between the parties (or by extension within the entrails of "the system" )but it is that inch we live in.

And my recent observations of the US were of more conflict and antagonism than at any time on the past 40 years (during which I've regularly visited) and that DT is very much a negative symptom/symbol not a positive one..

Edited by legaleagle (27 Aug 2017 9.29pm)

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Aug 17 9.52pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

With all due respect , what a load of bollox.

The office of the presidency has been completely devoid of ''integrity'' for bloody decades.
In real life we now have black people who were never slaves fighting white people who were never Nazis over a confederate statue erected by democrats and blaming it all on Trump.
Blinkered thinking (you're not alone in this) is the biggest cause of many of these problems.

Forthed This is accurate. All sides using Trump as an excuse to pursue their pathetic agendas.

 

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