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Midlands Eagle 05 Nov 19 5.38pm
Originally posted by Willo He has been MP for 'Runnymede and Weybridge' since this constituency was created in 1997 and I can assert with a degree of certainty that it will remain Conservative in the coming election. It will now that he has stood down but there is strong possibility that if he had run as an independent he would have taken the seat due to who he is

Midlands Eagle

05 Nov 19 5.38pm

Originally posted by Willo

He has been MP for 'Runnymede and Weybridge' since this constituency was created in 1997 and I can assert with a degree of certainty that it will remain Conservative in the coming election.

It will now that he has stood down but there is strong possibility that if he had run as an independent he would have taken the seat due to who he is

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 05 Nov 19 5.53pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle I'm self employed and I did quite well under Hammond's stewardship of the government purse strings An awful lot of contractors might disagree. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 05 Nov 19 5.53pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I'm self employed and I did quite well under Hammond's stewardship of the government purse strings

An awful lot of contractors might disagree.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

steeleye20 Croydon 05 Nov 19 5.54pm
Hammond was regarded as a safe pair of hands as Chancellor and before as Foreign Secretary well regarded. Since he has gone there has been a sharp increase n borrowing by Javid. Looks like a portent of what is to follow, I am expecting the flood gates to open with Johnson as PM.

steeleye20

Croydon 05 Nov 19 5.54pm

Hammond was regarded as a safe pair of hands as Chancellor and before as Foreign Secretary well regarded.

Since he has gone there has been a sharp increase n borrowing by Javid.

Looks like a portent of what is to follow, I am expecting the flood gates to open with Johnson as PM.

steeleye20 Croydon 05 Nov 19 6.02pm
The dirty tricks department up and running with the tories editing Keith Starmers interview with Piers Morgan. He answered the question ok but the video shows him mumbling instead, Morgan confirms it. Tip of the ice-berg really couldn't believe even what is in front of your eyes these days.

steeleye20

Croydon 05 Nov 19 6.02pm

The dirty tricks department up and running with the tories editing Keith Starmers interview with Piers Morgan.

He answered the question ok but the video shows him mumbling instead, Morgan confirms it.

Tip of the ice-berg really couldn't believe even what is in front of your eyes these days.

Stirlingsays 05 Nov 19 6.36pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The dirty tricks department up and running with the tories editing Keith Starmers interview with Piers Morgan. He answered the question ok but the video shows him mumbling instead, Morgan confirms it. Tip of the ice-berg really couldn't believe even what is in front of your eyes these days. Yep, I agree....it's out of order. Liars are bad for the discourse and these arses are out there for the clicks and fully deserve the criticism. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

05 Nov 19 6.36pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The dirty tricks department up and running with the tories editing Keith Starmers interview with Piers Morgan.

He answered the question ok but the video shows him mumbling instead, Morgan confirms it.

Tip of the ice-berg really couldn't believe even what is in front of your eyes these days.

Yep, I agree....it's out of order.

Liars are bad for the discourse and these arses are out there for the clicks and fully deserve the criticism.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Nov 19 7.31pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 The dirty tricks department up and running with the tories editing Keith Starmers interview with Piers Morgan. He answered the question ok but the video shows him mumbling instead, Morgan confirms it. Tip of the ice-berg really couldn't believe even what is in front of your eyes these days. I have not seen the interview but I am informed it was a bit of a 'Carcrash' with Starmer unable to explain clearly Labour's Brexit policy.No surprise there. In actual fact only last night I was speaking to a chap from the north who had always voted Labour.He said he doesn't know where on earth they stand on Brexit and he won't be voting for them in this election adding that they chose the wrong leader. On that note I shall now get togged up to meet up with some Tory chums in a local drinking establishment!

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Nov 19 7.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

The dirty tricks department up and running with the tories editing Keith Starmers interview with Piers Morgan.

He answered the question ok but the video shows him mumbling instead, Morgan confirms it.

Tip of the ice-berg really couldn't believe even what is in front of your eyes these days.

I have not seen the interview but I am informed it was a bit of a 'Carcrash' with Starmer unable to explain clearly Labour's Brexit policy.No surprise there.

In actual fact only last night I was speaking to a chap from the north who had always voted Labour.He said he doesn't know where on earth they stand on Brexit and he won't be voting for them in this election adding that they chose the wrong leader.

On that note I shall now get togged up to meet up with some Tory chums in a local drinking establishment!

chris123 hove actually 05 Nov 19 7.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Yep, I agree....it's out of order. Liars are bad for the discourse and these arses are out there for the clicks and fully deserve the criticism. Agree, pathetic really.

chris123

hove actually 05 Nov 19 7.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, I agree....it's out of order.

Liars are bad for the discourse and these arses are out there for the clicks and fully deserve the criticism.

Agree, pathetic really.

cryrst The garden of England 05 Nov 19 7.43pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt An awful lot of contractors might disagree. What changes were made?

cryrst

The garden of England 05 Nov 19 7.43pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

An awful lot of contractors might disagree.

What changes were made?

Invalid user 2019 06 Nov 19 2.18am
It'll be interesting to see if the polls shift in any substantial way over the next couple of weeks, now that people know an election is on. There are so many dynamics at play. I'm currently surprised to see that the odds for No Majority are not particularly generous. I can only assume that others are more in tune with how these things can pan out than I am!

Invalid user 2019

06 Nov 19 2.18am

It'll be interesting to see if the polls shift in any substantial way over the next couple of weeks, now that people know an election is on. There are so many dynamics at play. I'm currently surprised to see that the odds for No Majority are not particularly generous. I can only assume that others are more in tune with how these things can pan out than I am!

robdave2k 06 Nov 19 6.48am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt An awful lot of contractors might disagree. As would most people who are self employed.

robdave2k

06 Nov 19 6.48am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

An awful lot of contractors might disagree.

As would most people who are self employed.

robdave2k 06 Nov 19 6.53am
Originally posted by cryrst What changes were made? Dividend tax IR35 reforms Loan Charge Heavy handed HMRC policies - shoot first and don’t bother asking questions. Reinforcement of APN legislation. That’s for starters. There’s been a real increase in HMRC acting like judge, jury and executioner. Unfortunately they have all the competence of Robbie Savage as a top level economist.

robdave2k

06 Nov 19 6.53am

Originally posted by cryrst

What changes were made?

Dividend tax
IR35 reforms
Loan Charge
Heavy handed HMRC policies - shoot first and don’t bother asking questions.
Reinforcement of APN legislation.

That’s for starters. There’s been a real increase in HMRC acting like judge, jury and executioner. Unfortunately they have all the competence of Robbie Savage as a top level economist.

Midlands Eagle 06 Nov 19 9.02am
Originally posted by robdave2k Dividend tax IR35 reforms Loan Charge These didn't affect the self employed but those employed by their own limited company and closed loopholes that allowed them to pay far less tax than an employed person on PAYE. The system is still abused by too many people and you only have to look at the insolvency section of UK Business Forums to see the number of people saying that they had spent the tax money and asking how they could close the company down and set up another one

Midlands Eagle

06 Nov 19 9.02am

Originally posted by robdave2k

Dividend tax
IR35 reforms
Loan Charge

These didn't affect the self employed but those employed by their own limited company and closed loopholes that allowed them to pay far less tax than an employed person on PAYE.

The system is still abused by too many people and you only have to look at the insolvency section of UK Business Forums to see the number of people saying that they had spent the tax money and asking how they could close the company down and set up another one

steeleye20 Croydon 06 Nov 19 9.37am
Let us brace ourselves for every possible election bribe. It looks like spend, spend, spend and who cares just borrow it. We may well ask how all this miraculously happens when they need our votes and the opposite when in government. Are we mugs? Afraid so.

steeleye20

Croydon 06 Nov 19 9.37am

Let us brace ourselves for every possible election bribe.

It looks like spend, spend, spend and who cares just borrow it.

We may well ask how all this miraculously happens when they need our votes and the opposite when in government.

Are we mugs? Afraid so.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 06 Nov 19 9.37am
Originally posted by Willo I have not seen the interview but I am informed it was a bit of a 'Carcrash' with Starmer unable to explain clearly Labour's Brexit policy.No surprise there. In actual fact only last night I was speaking to a chap from the north who had always voted Labour.He said he doesn't know where on earth they stand on Brexit and he won't be voting for them in this election adding that they chose the wrong leader. On that note I shall now get togged up to meet up with some Tory chums in a local drinking establishment! Anyone who is of the view that tactical dissemination of misinformation (a classic case of selective editing here) across social media by each parties spin departments has no effect on voting intentions is living in a dustbin. It is getting more and more brazen with each passing day. There should be regulations in place, but while there aren’t, who can blame their PR departments for taking full advantage. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 06 Nov 19 9.37am

Originally posted by Willo

I have not seen the interview but I am informed it was a bit of a 'Carcrash' with Starmer unable to explain clearly Labour's Brexit policy.No surprise there.

On that note I shall now get togged up to meet up with some Tory chums in a local drinking establishment!

Anyone who is of the view that tactical dissemination of misinformation (a classic case of selective editing here) across social media by each parties spin departments has no effect on voting intentions is living in a dustbin. It is getting more and more brazen with each passing day. There should be regulations in place, but while there aren’t, who can blame their PR departments for taking full advantage.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 06 Nov 19 9.42am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Let us brace ourselves for every possible election bribe. It looks like spend, spend, spend and who cares just borrow it. We may well ask how all this miraculously happens when they need our votes and the opposite when in government. Are we mugs? Afraid so. I find myself in the unfamiliar position of agreeing with you 100%. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 06 Nov 19 9.42am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Let us brace ourselves for every possible election bribe.

It looks like spend, spend, spend and who cares just borrow it.

We may well ask how all this miraculously happens when they need our votes and the opposite when in government.

Are we mugs? Afraid so.

I find myself in the unfamiliar position of agreeing with you 100%.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Matov 06 Nov 19 10.12am
Never felt so flat with regards to an election before. Especially one with so much at stake with regards to not only Brexit but our collective faith in the democratic process. Yes, I want the Tories to win but solely because I believe they are the only option that will allow us to exit the EU. How meaningful that exit will be, I am not sure and have no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson but I guess the same could be said for all of them. Once there is one less star on that s***ty flag, I reckon I might turn my back on all this political malarkey. A waste of energy and time. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

06 Nov 19 10.12am

Never felt so flat with regards to an election before. Especially one with so much at stake with regards to not only Brexit but our collective faith in the democratic process.

Yes, I want the Tories to win but solely because I believe they are the only option that will allow us to exit the EU. How meaningful that exit will be, I am not sure and have no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson but I guess the same could be said for all of them.

Once there is one less star on that s***ty flag, I reckon I might turn my back on all this political malarkey. A waste of energy and time.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

CrazyBadger Ware 06 Nov 19 10.34am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Corbyn and the Labour party are fecked. A lot of true remainers are going to vote Lib Dems.....because, well they are full on remain (despite the democratic ethics of that). Only the real Labour vote are going to vote for them and a lot of them are lower or middle class metropolitan types. Corbyn isn't that bothered about winning an election. I mean, of course he wants to but not to the extent that he's going to release his ideological grip. The Marxists were kept on the edges of the Labour party for many decades and the most important aspect for them is in root and branch securing the party. This is what the Labour grass roots voted for twice. And Marxists are no friends of the EU. I'm a remainer, and would welcome another referendum. In fact Labour do, IMO, have The best policy on Brexit. But They've fallen into it, and done so just to Oppose the Torys(Deal) and LibDems(no Brexit). Which is pretty much Corbyns stance on everything. I bet They cant believe their luck that they've been left with the 'Deal vs No Brexit' referendum card. The problem is and will always be Corbyn. We're it not for him and his distasteful Politics of antagonism, I'd be voting Labour this time round. Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Nov 2019 10.57am) "It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

CrazyBadger

Ware 06 Nov 19 10.34am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Corbyn and the Labour party are fecked.

A lot of true remainers are going to vote Lib Dems.....because, well they are full on remain (despite the democratic ethics of that).

Only the real Labour vote are going to vote for them and a lot of them are lower or middle class metropolitan types.

Corbyn isn't that bothered about winning an election. I mean, of course he wants to but not to the extent that he's going to release his ideological grip.

The Marxists were kept on the edges of the Labour party for many decades and the most important aspect for them is in root and branch securing the party. This is what the Labour grass roots voted for twice.

And Marxists are no friends of the EU.

I'm a remainer, and would welcome another referendum. In fact Labour do, IMO, have The best policy on Brexit. But They've fallen into it, and done so just to Oppose the Torys(Deal) and LibDems(no Brexit). Which is pretty much Corbyns stance on everything.
I bet They cant believe their luck that they've been left with the 'Deal vs No Brexit' referendum card.
The problem is and will always be Corbyn. We're it not for him and his distasteful Politics of antagonism, I'd be voting Labour this time round.

Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Nov 2019 10.57am)

"It was a Team effort, I guess it took all players working together to lose this one"

chris123 hove actually 06 Nov 19 10.48am
Originally posted by Matov Never felt so flat with regards to an election before. Especially one with so much at stake with regards to not only Brexit but our collective faith in the democratic process. Yes, I want the Tories to win but solely because I believe they are the only option that will allow us to exit the EU. How meaningful that exit will be, I am not sure and have no real faith in Johnson to do anything else other than what is good for Johnson but I guess the same could be said for all of them. Once there is one less star on that s***ty flag, I reckon I might turn my back on all this political malarkey. A waste of energy and time. The manifestos will be out soon, that'll cheer everyone up.

chris123

hove actually 06 Nov 19 10.48am

Originally posted by Matov

Never felt so flat with regards to an election before. Especially one with so much at stake with regards to not only Brexit but our collective faith in the democratic process.

Once there is one less star on that s***ty flag, I reckon I might turn my back on all this political malarkey. A waste of energy and time.

The manifestos will be out soon, that'll cheer everyone up.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 19 11.44am
Originally posted by CrazyBadger I'm a remainer, and would welcome another referendum. In fact Labour do, IMO, have The best policy on Brexit. But They've fallen into it, and done so just to Oppose the Torys(Deal) and LibDems(no Brexit). Which is pretty much Corbyns stance on everything. I bet They cant believe their luck that they've been left with the 'Deal vs No Brexit' referendum card. The problem is and will always be Corbyn. We're it not for him and his distasteful Politics of antagonism, I'd be voting Labour this time round. Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Nov 2019 10.57am) People are totally confused about their policy. We hear about them going to get this wonderful new deal with the EU which they will put to a confirmatory referendum but then vote against their deal !!! And we hear about their deal is going to include staying in the 'Customs Union' and 'Single Market' but this is in effect remaining in the EU.So the confirmatory referendum will ask "Remain or Remain" !!!! Furthermore any deal/referendum will be in about SIX months !! Dither and delay. Edited by Willo (06 Nov 2019 11.45am)

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Nov 19 11.44am

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I'm a remainer, and would welcome another referendum. In fact Labour do, IMO, have The best policy on Brexit. But They've fallen into it, and done so just to Oppose the Torys(Deal) and LibDems(no Brexit). Which is pretty much Corbyns stance on everything.
I bet They cant believe their luck that they've been left with the 'Deal vs No Brexit' referendum card.
The problem is and will always be Corbyn. We're it not for him and his distasteful Politics of antagonism, I'd be voting Labour this time round.

Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Nov 2019 10.57am)

People are totally confused about their policy.

We hear about them going to get this wonderful new deal with the EU which they will put to a confirmatory referendum but then vote against their deal !!!

And we hear about their deal is going to include staying in the 'Customs Union' and 'Single Market' but this is in effect remaining in the EU.So the confirmatory referendum will ask "Remain or Remain" !!!!

Furthermore any deal/referendum will be in about SIX months !! Dither and delay.

Edited by Willo (06 Nov 2019 11.45am)

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Nov 19 12.15pm
Originally posted by CrazyBadger I'm a remainer, and would welcome another referendum. In fact Labour do, IMO, have The best policy on Brexit. But They've fallen into it, and done so just to Oppose the Torys(Deal) and LibDems(no Brexit). Which is pretty much Corbyns stance on everything. I bet They cant believe their luck that they've been left with the 'Deal vs No Brexit' referendum card. The problem is and will always be Corbyn. We're it not for him and his distasteful Politics of antagonism, I'd be voting Labour this time round. Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Nov 2019 10.57am) Of course, because you can't accept losing the proper one. Labour's policy is to say the opposite of what the government say and move the goalposts on a weekly basis. Their manifesto will be a list of ridiculous aims and promises that the country cannot afford and they will never deliver.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Nov 19 12.15pm

Originally posted by CrazyBadger

I'm a remainer, and would welcome another referendum. In fact Labour do, IMO, have The best policy on Brexit. But They've fallen into it, and done so just to Oppose the Torys(Deal) and LibDems(no Brexit). Which is pretty much Corbyns stance on everything.
I bet They cant believe their luck that they've been left with the 'Deal vs No Brexit' referendum card.
The problem is and will always be Corbyn. We're it not for him and his distasteful Politics of antagonism, I'd be voting Labour this time round.

Edited by CrazyBadger (06 Nov 2019 10.57am)

Of course, because you can't accept losing the proper one.

Labour's policy is to say the opposite of what the government say and move the goalposts on a weekly basis.

Their manifesto will be a list of ridiculous aims and promises that the country cannot afford and they will never deliver.

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