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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 11 Feb 21 6.22pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Wasting your breath. The UK is a third party country, the rules for third party countries were devised by the UK itself in setting up the single market. The EU is now a competitor. That's what the UK chose, it was not wanted by Europe. The UK loses everything and gains nothing, by its own actions. Oh but the UK gains much. No more open door immigration pushing down wages and pushing up rents. Much better for the working man, however this truth often gets conveniently forgotten. "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 11 Feb 21 6.22pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Wasting your breath.

The UK is a third party country, the rules for third party countries were devised by the UK itself in setting up the single market.

The EU is now a competitor.

That's what the UK chose, it was not wanted by Europe.

The UK loses everything and gains nothing, by its own actions.

Oh but the UK gains much.

No more open door immigration pushing down wages and pushing up rents.

Much better for the working man, however this truth often gets conveniently forgotten.

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

Stirlingsays 11 Feb 21 6.29pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Wasting your breath. The UK is a third party country, the rules for third party countries were devised by the UK itself in setting up the single market. The EU is now a competitor. That's what the UK chose, it was not wanted by Europe. The UK loses everything and gains nothing, by its own actions. I would vote for it a hundred times again.....a million times if I could. The UK gained everything and you are still living here. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

11 Feb 21 6.29pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Wasting your breath.

The UK is a third party country, the rules for third party countries were devised by the UK itself in setting up the single market.

The EU is now a competitor.

That's what the UK chose, it was not wanted by Europe.

The UK loses everything and gains nothing, by its own actions.

I would vote for it a hundred times again.....a million times if I could.

The UK gained everything and you are still living here.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

DanH SW2 11 Feb 21 6.37pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I would vote for it a hundred times again.....a million times if I could. The UK gained everything and you are still living here. What has it gained exactly? Still waiting for these gains to become clear.

DanH

SW2 11 Feb 21 6.37pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would vote for it a hundred times again.....a million times if I could.

The UK gained everything and you are still living here.

What has it gained exactly? Still waiting for these gains to become clear.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Feb 21 6.42pm
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Oh but the UK gains much. No more open door immigration pushing down wages and pushing up rents. Much better for the working man, however this truth often gets conveniently forgotten. Theoretically, yes. Let's see how that one pans out though. I'm not so optimistic that the 'working man', or in fact anyone on average wages will end up benefitting as much as you think. But time will tell. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 11 Feb 21 6.42pm

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Oh but the UK gains much.

No more open door immigration pushing down wages and pushing up rents.

Much better for the working man, however this truth often gets conveniently forgotten.

Theoretically, yes. Let's see how that one pans out though. I'm not so optimistic that the 'working man', or in fact anyone on average wages will end up benefitting as much as you think. But time will tell.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 11 Feb 21 6.44pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I would vote for it a hundred times again.....a million times if I could. The UK gained everything and you are still living here. Everything is probably a bit strong – also let's just wait and see what the actual outcome of the theoretical gains are shall we. We're already off to a pretty poor start. Plenty of time to bring it round though, let's just hope a lot of people and businesses don't go to the wall before then. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 11 Feb 21 6.44pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would vote for it a hundred times again.....a million times if I could.

The UK gained everything and you are still living here.

Everything is probably a bit strong – also let's just wait and see what the actual outcome of the theoretical gains are shall we. We're already off to a pretty poor start. Plenty of time to bring it round though, let's just hope a lot of people and businesses don't go to the wall before then.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Matov 11 Feb 21 7.23pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Everything is probably a bit strong – also let's just wait and see what the actual outcome of the theoretical gains are shall we. We're already off to a pretty poor start. Plenty of time to bring it round though, let's just hope a lot of people and businesses don't go to the wall before then. A fair point. I would disagree with your overall assessment of it being a 'poor' start (personally I see the behaviour of the EU in the last few weeks as absolute confirmation of why I voted Leave) but it is clear there are issues that are cause of some concern. Personally, I think no genuine assessment can be made until at least the middle of 2023 but also have enough self-awarness around my own prejudices to accept that you might feel qualified to pass judgement before then. Problem is, how do you quantify it? Purely financial? Unemployment? Wider popularity around the issue? Me, I want to see the EU destroyed. Consigned to nothing more than a s***ty footnote in history. I believe it is the biggest single cause of misery in Europe since WW2. And I would happily put up with rationing and a whole host of other measures if it meant the UK was free of it. A thoroughly loathsome and hateful organisation. It needs to go. Or such a radical overhaul that it bears no resemblance to what it was. With the removal of the EU Commission a task that would be seen as a service to humanity. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

11 Feb 21 7.23pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

A fair point. I would disagree with your overall assessment of it being a 'poor' start (personally I see the behaviour of the EU in the last few weeks as absolute confirmation of why I voted Leave) but it is clear there are issues that are cause of some concern.

Personally, I think no genuine assessment can be made until at least the middle of 2023 but also have enough self-awarness around my own prejudices to accept that you might feel qualified to pass judgement before then.

Problem is, how do you quantify it? Purely financial? Unemployment? Wider popularity around the issue?

Me, I want to see the EU destroyed. Consigned to nothing more than a s***ty footnote in history. I believe it is the biggest single cause of misery in Europe since WW2. And I would happily put up with rationing and a whole host of other measures if it meant the UK was free of it. A thoroughly loathsome and hateful organisation.

It needs to go. Or such a radical overhaul that it bears no resemblance to what it was. With the removal of the EU Commission a task that would be seen as a service to humanity.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Stirlingsays 12 Feb 21 12.56am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Everything is probably a bit strong – also let's just wait and see what the actual outcome of the theoretical gains are shall we. We're already off to a pretty poor start. Plenty of time to bring it round though, let's just hope a lot of people and businesses don't go to the wall before then. Your lens appears purely financial in this matter. If the EU question were one of pure finances....while there is an theoretical argument to compete against the EU as a European form of 'Singapore' variant....in a financial sense I would have never have voted for it. The real leave argument was a social, immigration and identarian one. For those that dislike those concepts I understand how Brexit will always be uncomfortable. I also appreciate that how the government have chosen to interpret the Brexit vote is deliberately different from the leave vote's general intent. No one voted leave to increase immigration from outside Europe. In several senses this is directly against the best interests of the working class, who were by far the largest element of the leave vote. However, that's the policy Johnson has decided to pursue.....as the old saying goes, 'the best way to control the opposition is to lead it'. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 1.00am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Feb 21 12.56am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Your lens appears purely financial in this matter.

If the EU question were one of pure finances....while there is an theoretical argument to compete against the EU as a European form of 'Singapore' variant....in a financial sense I would have never have voted for it.

The real leave argument was a social, immigration and identarian one. For those that dislike those concepts I understand how Brexit will always be uncomfortable.

I also appreciate that how the government have chosen to interpret the Brexit vote is deliberately different from the leave vote's general intent.

No one voted leave to increase immigration from outside Europe. In several senses this is directly against the best interests of the working class, who were by far the largest element of the leave vote. However, that's the policy Johnson has decided to pursue.....as the old saying goes, 'the best way to control the opposition is to lead it'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 1.00am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Beanyboysmd 12 Feb 21 4.44am
Originally posted by Matov LOL. We have everything to gain. But it requires boldness. No more pissing about with anything that gives the EU any kind of leverage over us. That is the point. The EU is a hostile entity. It wants to hurt the UK in any way it can. Which is fine. My ire is solely aimed at anybody who thought differently. But the UK needs to act accordingly. And it needs to happen soon. I am a remainer but I was still quietly optimistic. I did think "Well if we have good leadership, and really good negotiators, and a clear vision, we might be able to thrive but we need to get the start right..." Unfortunatly you were right, we did have everything to gain, and with boldness we might have gained something, but we havn't and we havnt for a very long time. We over the last decade or 2 have had leadership of such utter ineptitude that we have had to convince ourselvers that outsiders have to be the cause of whats gone wrong and I cant see that changing whoever is in power. The EU isn't hostile to us, we shaped the EU to be this way, we cant then complain after that "The EU is acting like a corporate superpower, hostile to us people outside the EU..." we made sure that was the case! We are going to have to see it all through to the bitter end but with all countries around the world forming their own trading blocks and major nations becoming their own private trading bocks that dont require imports, we have not chosen a good time to start this kind of major project probably don't have the right people to manage it anyway...

Beanyboysmd

12 Feb 21 4.44am

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. We have everything to gain. But it requires boldness. No more pissing about with anything that gives the EU any kind of leverage over us. That is the point. The EU is a hostile entity. It wants to hurt the UK in any way it can. Which is fine. My ire is solely aimed at anybody who thought differently.

But the UK needs to act accordingly. And it needs to happen soon.

I am a remainer but I was still quietly optimistic. I did think "Well if we have good leadership, and really good negotiators, and a clear vision, we might be able to thrive but we need to get the start right..."

Unfortunatly you were right, we did have everything to gain, and with boldness we might have gained something, but we havn't and we havnt for a very long time. We over the last decade or 2 have had leadership of such utter ineptitude that we have had to convince ourselvers that outsiders have to be the cause of whats gone wrong and I cant see that changing whoever is in power.
The EU isn't hostile to us, we shaped the EU to be this way, we cant then complain after that "The EU is acting like a corporate superpower, hostile to us people outside the EU..." we made sure that was the case!

We are going to have to see it all through to the bitter end but with all countries around the world forming their own trading blocks and major nations becoming their own private trading bocks that dont require imports, we have not chosen a good time to start this kind of major project probably don't have the right people to manage it anyway...

DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 7.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Your lens appears purely financial in this matter. If the EU question were one of pure finances....while there is an theoretical argument to compete against the EU as a European form of 'Singapore' variant....in a financial sense I would have never have voted for it. The real leave argument was a social, immigration and identarian one. For those that dislike those concepts I understand how Brexit will always be uncomfortable. I also appreciate that how the government have chosen to interpret the Brexit vote is deliberately different from the leave vote's general intent. No one voted leave to increase immigration from outside Europe. In several senses this is directly against the best interests of the working class, who were by far the largest element of the leave vote. However, that's the policy Johnson has decided to pursue.....as the old saying goes, 'the best way to control the opposition is to lead it'. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 1.00am) This is what frustrates me the most. You were kicking at the wrong beast.

DanH

SW2 12 Feb 21 7.10am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your lens appears purely financial in this matter.

The real leave argument was a social, immigration and identarian one. For those that dislike those concepts I understand how Brexit will always be uncomfortable.

I also appreciate that how the government have chosen to interpret the Brexit vote is deliberately different from the leave vote's general intent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 1.00am)

This is what frustrates me the most. You were kicking at the wrong beast.

Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 21 7.31am
Originally posted by DanH This is what frustrates me the most. You were kicking at the wrong beast. The main reason I voted leave was, I did not like the way the EU were controlling everything and the way they conducted themselves ( I am talking about the unelected bureaucrats). Their behaviour over the last few weeks has made me fell even better about my vote. What frustrates me is the remainers who will still not criticise them. We are not stopping EU nationals living/ working here, over 5m have registered with another 4 months to go. Perhaps the EU will reciprocate Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2021 7.33am)

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 21 7.31am

Originally posted by DanH

This is what frustrates me the most. You were kicking at the wrong beast.

The main reason I voted leave was, I did not like the way the EU were controlling everything and the way they conducted themselves ( I am talking about the unelected bureaucrats). Their behaviour over the last few weeks has made me fell even better about my vote. What frustrates me is the remainers who will still not criticise them.

We are not stopping EU nationals living/ working here, over 5m have registered with another 4 months to go. Perhaps the EU will reciprocate

Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2021 7.33am)

DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 7.40am
Originally posted by Spiderman The main reason I voted leave was, I did not like the way the EU were controlling everything and the way they conducted themselves ( I am talking about the unelected bureaucrats). Their behaviour over the last few weeks has made me fell even better about my vote. What frustrates me is the remainers who will still not criticise them. We are not stopping EU nationals living/ working here, over 5m have registered with another 4 months to go. Perhaps the EU will reciprocate Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2021 7.33am) See, that's a fine reason. Specific reasons regarding the EU, not some flimsy anti-immigration rhetoric founded on a misunderstanding of the previous EU rules which we had signed up to and had flexibility over how to implement. I don't think even the staunchest remainer would suggest that the EU cannot be criticised. There is a lot wrong with it - their recent behaviour over the vaccines just the most recent example. Historically it's treatment of Greece has been extremely unpalatable. Overall though being a part of it, and an influential part of it at that, is far preferable to being totally on the outside, trying to punch above our weight in a global world. Needing to rely on our neighbours for a myriad of reasons is not going to go away. It's far more difficult to do that on the outside. Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump.

DanH

SW2 12 Feb 21 7.40am

Originally posted by Spiderman

We are not stopping EU nationals living/ working here, over 5m have registered with another 4 months to go. Perhaps the EU will reciprocate

Edited by Spiderman (12 Feb 2021 7.33am)

See, that's a fine reason. Specific reasons regarding the EU, not some flimsy anti-immigration rhetoric founded on a misunderstanding of the previous EU rules which we had signed up to and had flexibility over how to implement.

I don't think even the staunchest remainer would suggest that the EU cannot be criticised. There is a lot wrong with it - their recent behaviour over the vaccines just the most recent example. Historically it's treatment of Greece has been extremely unpalatable.

Overall though being a part of it, and an influential part of it at that, is far preferable to being totally on the outside, trying to punch above our weight in a global world. Needing to rely on our neighbours for a myriad of reasons is not going to go away. It's far more difficult to do that on the outside.

Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump.

Stirlingsays 12 Feb 21 7.53am
Originally posted by DanH This is what frustrates me the most. You were kicking at the wrong beast. No I wasn't. I'll vote against any globalist 'minded' entity. They are the enemy of the working and lower middle classes.....which is the majority of people. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 7.54am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Feb 21 7.53am

Originally posted by DanH

This is what frustrates me the most. You were kicking at the wrong beast.

No I wasn't.

I'll vote against any globalist 'minded' entity.

They are the enemy of the working and lower middle classes.....which is the majority of people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Feb 2021 7.54am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Badger11 Beckenham 12 Feb 21 7.54am
Originally posted by DanH See, that's a fine reason. Specific reasons regarding the EU, not some flimsy anti-immigration rhetoric founded on a misunderstanding of the previous EU rules which we had signed up to and had flexibility over how to implement. I don't think even the staunchest remainer would suggest that the EU cannot be criticised. There is a lot wrong with it - their recent behaviour over the vaccines just the most recent example. Historically it's treatment of Greece has been extremely unpalatable. Overall though being a part of it, and an influential part of it at that, is far preferable to being totally on the outside, trying to punch above our weight in a global world. Needing to rely on our neighbours for a myriad of reasons is not going to go away. It's far more difficult to do that on the outside. Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump. We are the 5th biggest economy that does count for something you know. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 12 Feb 21 7.54am

Originally posted by DanH

Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump.

We are the 5th biggest economy that does count for something you know.

One more point

Matov 12 Feb 21 8.20am
Originally posted by DanH Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump. Who wants us to be important on a global playing field? I constantly hear from the Remoaner side how Brexit was really a kind of nostalgia for Empire and yet not one single Leaver I have ever spoken to has mentioned that as a factor. The reality is that many of us see Empire as an utter curse, the consequences of it playing out in the negative. If anything I would have thought those on Remain/Left side of things would have been the ones cheering it on given how it has helped with our national diversity now? Surely a positive from your point of view? Right? Or do you wish we never had been a colonial power? Just remained this homogenous, wind and rainswept little island off the coast of Europe? I can guarantee you that most Leave voters would happily settle for the UK with no colonial past or present-day legacy whatsoever. Edited by Matov (12 Feb 2021 8.21am) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

Matov

12 Feb 21 8.20am

Originally posted by DanH

Who wants us to be important on a global playing field? I constantly hear from the Remoaner side how Brexit was really a kind of nostalgia for Empire and yet not one single Leaver I have ever spoken to has mentioned that as a factor.

The reality is that many of us see Empire as an utter curse, the consequences of it playing out in the negative.

If anything I would have thought those on Remain/Left side of things would have been the ones cheering it on given how it has helped with our national diversity now? Surely a positive from your point of view? Right?

Or do you wish we never had been a colonial power? Just remained this homogenous, wind and rainswept little island off the coast of Europe?

I can guarantee you that most Leave voters would happily settle for the UK with no colonial past or present-day legacy whatsoever.

Edited by Matov (12 Feb 2021 8.21am)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 8.30am
Originally posted by Badger11 We are the 5th biggest economy that does count for something you know. Were. Shrank nearly 10% in 2020. And now we need to try and recover that in an environment outside our biggest trading bloc.

DanH

SW2 12 Feb 21 8.30am

Originally posted by Badger11

We are the 5th biggest economy that does count for something you know.

Were. Shrank nearly 10% in 2020. And now we need to try and recover that in an environment outside our biggest trading bloc.

DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 8.36am
Originally posted by Matov Who wants us to be important on a global playing field? I constantly hear from the Remoaner side how Brexit was really a kind of nostalgia for Empire and yet not one single Leaver I have ever spoken to has mentioned that as a factor. The reality is that many of us see Empire as an utter curse, the consequences of it playing out in the negative. If anything I would have thought those on Remain/Left side of things would have been the ones cheering it on given how it has helped with our national diversity now? Surely a positive from your point of view? Right? Or do you wish we never had been a colonial power? Just remained this homogenous, wind and rainswept little island off the coast of Europe? I can guarantee you that most Leave voters would happily settle for the UK with no colonial past or present-day legacy whatsoever. Edited by Matov (12 Feb 2021 8.21am) So you don't want Britain to be leading the way in terms of innovation, technology, science, security, medicine, academia, the arts etc. etc. and have thriving and growing industries and opportunities for those in our country to be ambitious, thrive and be prosperous? You would rather we were an irrelevant little island that was left alone and left others alone?

DanH

SW2 12 Feb 21 8.36am

Originally posted by Matov

The reality is that many of us see Empire as an utter curse, the consequences of it playing out in the negative.

Or do you wish we never had been a colonial power? Just remained this homogenous, wind and rainswept little island off the coast of Europe?

I can guarantee you that most Leave voters would happily settle for the UK with no colonial past or present-day legacy whatsoever.

Edited by Matov (12 Feb 2021 8.21am)

So you don't want Britain to be leading the way in terms of innovation, technology, science, security, medicine, academia, the arts etc. etc. and have thriving and growing industries and opportunities for those in our country to be ambitious, thrive and be prosperous?

You would rather we were an irrelevant little island that was left alone and left others alone?

Eaglecoops CR3 12 Feb 21 8.51am
Originally posted by DanH Were. Shrank nearly 10% in 2020. And now we need to try and recover that in an environment outside our biggest trading bloc. Did no other economies shrink during 2020?

Eaglecoops

CR3 12 Feb 21 8.51am

Originally posted by DanH

Were. Shrank nearly 10% in 2020. And now we need to try and recover that in an environment outside our biggest trading bloc.

Did no other economies shrink during 2020?

Stirlingsays 12 Feb 21 8.59am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Did no other economies shrink during 2020? I know....some economic degree wasn't it. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

12 Feb 21 8.59am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Did no other economies shrink during 2020?

I know....some economic degree wasn't it.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 21 9.12am
Originally posted by DanH See, that's a fine reason. Specific reasons regarding the EU, not some flimsy anti-immigration rhetoric founded on a misunderstanding of the previous EU rules which we had signed up to and had flexibility over how to implement. I don't think even the staunchest remainer would suggest that the EU cannot be criticised. There is a lot wrong with it - their recent behaviour over the vaccines just the most recent example. Historically it's treatment of Greece has been extremely unpalatable. Overall though being a part of it, and an influential part of it at that, is far preferable to being totally on the outside, trying to punch above our weight in a global world. Needing to rely on our neighbours for a myriad of reasons is not going to go away. It's far more difficult to do that on the outside. Britain isn't as important on the global playing field as some may think it still is. If you speak to people is Europe, the US, Asia - it's not the huge global power it once was. We're not going to be able to dictate our own terms and expect other nations to jump. I don’t wish to discuss again the implementation of EU Immigration policy, as that has been regurgitated many times. Suffice to say EU nationals can only be refused entry on 3 specific areas: Public Health, Public Policy and Public Security. What I will outline is the biased against our own nationals compared to EU nationals in a specific area: DanH as a British Citizen if you married a Foreign National, your wife would require a Spousal Visa. To qualify you would have to provide evidence of a valid marriage, documentary evidence that you have adequate maintenance and accommodation to support her ( without recourse to public funds) and an intention to live together. If you satisfy these requirements you will then pay approximately £2000 for the visa. If DanH was Spanish living here and married a foreign National, you only need proof of marriage and the visa would be free. Is that fair? Don’t get me started on EEA Family Permits.

Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 21 9.12am

Originally posted by DanH

I don’t wish to discuss again the implementation of EU Immigration policy, as that has been regurgitated many times. Suffice to say EU nationals can only be refused entry on 3 specific areas: Public Health, Public Policy and Public Security. What I will outline is the biased against our own nationals compared to EU nationals in a specific area:

DanH as a British Citizen if you married a Foreign National, your wife would require a Spousal Visa. To qualify you would have to provide evidence of a valid marriage, documentary evidence that you have adequate maintenance and accommodation to support her ( without recourse to public funds) and an intention to live together. If you satisfy these requirements you will then pay approximately £2000 for the visa.
If DanH was Spanish living here and married a foreign National, you only need proof of marriage and the visa would be free. Is that fair?
Don’t get me started on EEA Family Permits.

DanH SW2 12 Feb 21 9.15am
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Did no other economies shrink during 2020? Of course, but early signs suggest ours is amongst the deepest, and we are trying to recover in less favourable economic conditions than others around us. The cataclysmic shock of the pandemic is as close to hitting a reset button on huge economies that we will ever get. The global landscape economically will look a lot different once we are out the other side of Covid. Those countries who dealt with it better are already experiencing the economic benefit. Edited by DanH (12 Feb 2021 9.15am)

DanH

SW2 12 Feb 21 9.15am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Did no other economies shrink during 2020?

Of course, but early signs suggest ours is amongst the deepest, and we are trying to recover in less favourable economic conditions than others around us.

The cataclysmic shock of the pandemic is as close to hitting a reset button on huge economies that we will ever get. The global landscape economically will look a lot different once we are out the other side of Covid. Those countries who dealt with it better are already experiencing the economic benefit.

Edited by DanH (12 Feb 2021 9.15am)

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