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Originally posted by Mapletree
That’s a coincidence, it’s about the same percentage of posts from Wisbech that appear on any given thread.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
As is often the case with you, what you say is simply not true. You have made various, predictable attacks on Farage but have not shown that he was hypocritical in relation to the Coutts affair. Refer my comment on debate with ideologues in post above
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Originally posted by HKOwen
Describing your posts as I see them is not to my thinking insulting, if you choose to be insulted then that is fine. Farage was de-banked because of Coutts/Natwest opinion of his views, because they chose not to like them does not make them wrong or right. Banks are not arbiters of right and wrong. Millions of UK citizens agree with Farage's views. Feel free to give me no attention at all. Rational debate is seldom possible with an ideologue with an odd perception of fact and fiction. Carry on
Edited by HKOwen (29 Jul 2023 9.24am) I just double-checked. There wasn't a single word about the subject of the thread. Not one! It was in response to a comment of mine but was entirely criticising me and not addressing the content of the comment in any way at all. It was 100% ad hominem, something you are very frequently guilty of. It seems you just cannot help yourself. Maybe you need to find some help elsewhere? For the umpteenth time in this thread, Farage was not debanked because Coutts has an opinion on his views. That they described those views in the internal document that was acquired and circulated by Farage doesn't change that fact. Farage has spun it that way, for his own reasons, but it isn't true. Describing him as they did was simply part of the process of constructing the rationale for why an association with him could lead to reputational damage. Perhaps that's too subtle a difference for some to understand, but it is the vital difference between what Farage suggests, and the truth. Millions of citizens may well agree with Farage. There are after all 60 million of us. Many more millions don't and for that, I give a hearty sigh of relief.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
As is often the case with you, what you say is simply not true. You have made various, predictable attacks on Farage but have not shown that he was hypocritical in relation to the Coutts affair. That you cannot see it is as predictable as the sun rising this morning.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I just double-checked. There wasn't a single word about the subject of the thread. Not one! It was in response to a comment of mine but was entirely criticising me and not addressing the content of the comment in any way at all. It was 100% ad hominem, something you are very frequently guilty of. It seems you just cannot help yourself. Maybe you need to find some help elsewhere? For the umpteenth time in this thread, Farage was not debanked because Coutts has an opinion on his views. That they described those views in the internal document that was acquired and circulated by Farage doesn't change that fact. Farage has spun it that way, for his own reasons, but it isn't true. Describing him as they did was simply part of the process of constructing the rationale for why an association with him could lead to reputational damage. Perhaps that's too subtle a difference for some to understand, but it is the vital difference between what Farage suggests, and the truth. Millions of citizens may well agree with Farage. There are after all 60 million of us. Many more millions don't and for that, I give a hearty sigh of relief. Once again, why won't Nat West suffer the same reputational damage by holding his account?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You can spurt as much squid ink as you like, it doesn’t change the fact that you have not described how Farage was hypocritical in relation to the Coutts affair.
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Originally posted by Mapletree
72.3 Any links please? What were the demographics of those asked? As with all polls there will be some who said yes but then vote no. Edited by Spiderman (29 Jul 2023 10.29am)
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I just double-checked. There wasn't a single word about the subject of the thread. Not one! It was in response to a comment of mine but was entirely criticising me and not addressing the content of the comment in any way at all. It was 100% ad hominem, something you are very frequently guilty of. It seems you just cannot help yourself. Maybe you need to find some help elsewhere? For the umpteenth time in this thread, Farage was not debanked because Coutts has an opinion on his views. That they described those views in the internal document that was acquired and circulated by Farage doesn't change that fact. Farage has spun it that way, for his own reasons, but it isn't true. Describing him as they did was simply part of the process of constructing the rationale for why an association with him could lead to reputational damage. Perhaps that's too subtle a difference for some to understand, but it is the vital difference between what Farage suggests, and the truth. Millions of citizens may well agree with Farage. There are after all 60 million of us. Many more millions don't and for that, I give a hearty sigh of relief. What does find some help mean? You seem to be implying I am mentally ill.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is from Wiki. After submitting a subject access request in July, Farage published a 40-page internal document from the bank, which contained minutes from a meeting of the bank's Wealth Reputational Risk Committee on 17 November 2022, describing Farage as a "disingenuous grifter" who promoted "xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views", and said his "views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation", with "risk factors including... controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank’s purpose" Pesky facts
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don’t think he is a xenophobic racist on a personal level. I think he courts xenophobic racists with his rhetoric and propaganda. So, wishing to stop illegal immigrants arriving and cutting immigration to an already densely populated island is racist and xenophobic? You really are the problem. As I previously stated, he represents the majority. Brexit has not failed as you know full well, much to your disappointment. It's no surprise that an ageing deluded globalist would not care about Britain. No doubt you are still hoping for a world government where the massively overpopulated planet is governed by a handful of unelected bureaucrats and where only right thinking are allowed to be proper people and the dissenters have to live in the wilderness with no access to finance. There is stupid and then there is Wisbech. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jul 2023 6.48pm)
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Originally posted by Mapletree
72.3 72.3% of people in the street? Have you seen the streets these days? I seem to recall that the poles said that we were remaining. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (29 Jul 2023 1.56pm)
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Once again, why won't Nat West suffer the same reputational damage by holding his account? I can only speculate that their assessment would centre around the type of customers Coutts serves and those of the high street brand, NatWest.
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You can spurt as much squid ink as you like, it doesn’t change the fact that you have not described how Farage was hypocritical in relation to the Coutts affair. There is only one fact in the above. Which is that unfortunately, you don't know what you are talking about. If you haven't worked it out by now, you never will. As anything else I could say would rival you for rudeness I will leave it there.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I just double-checked. There wasn't a single word about the subject of the thread. Not one! It was in response to a comment of mine but was entirely criticising me and not addressing the content of the comment in any way at all. It was 100% ad hominem, something you are very frequently guilty of. It seems you just cannot help yourself. Maybe you need to find some help elsewhere? For the umpteenth time in this thread, Farage was not debanked because Coutts has an opinion on his views. That they described those views in the internal document that was acquired and circulated by Farage doesn't change that fact. Farage has spun it that way, for his own reasons, but it isn't true. Describing him as they did was simply part of the process of constructing the rationale for why an association with him could lead to reputational damage. Perhaps that's too subtle a difference for some to understand, but it is the vital difference between what Farage suggests, and the truth. Millions of citizens may well agree with Farage. There are after all 60 million of us. Many more millions don't and for that, I give a hearty sigh of relief. I ask again. What does find some help mean? You seem to be implying I am mentally ill. Personally I find such a post to be abusive.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I can only speculate that their assessment would centre around the type of customers Coutts serves and those of the high street brand, NatWest. Yes, those who are content that their bank was fined £8.75m for breaching money laundering regulations but draw the line at someone with whose opinion they disagree.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you are being pedantic over the use of a phrase. That people are arguing about freedom of speech being a concern doesn't mean the argument has any merit. As I said previously it is spurious. It's clearly untrue as the past week has demonstrated. That what Farage says is at the base of what has happened does not mean his ability to say it has been negatively impacted. If anything it has been amplified. It's no more true than if someone argued that Harry Kane plays for Palace. The arguing would exist, but not the argument. I expressed my opinion about the government's intervention in my previous comment. I think it's regrettable and politically motivated. What Sunak said is obviously true, but what is also true is that this isn't what has happened to Farage. He hasn't lost his account because of his views. It was removed by the bank because of their concerns about being associated with them. That's their decision. No one should be forced to be friends with someone they don't choose to be. This is no different. I have thought that Sunak, and particularly Hunt, have been doing a good job given the appalling mess they inherited from Johnson and Truss. Not enough to save them at the next GE but enough to allow the Tories to survive and recover when a complete wipeout looked possible. Their fawning to Farage indicates just how much the Tories still fear him, and that is seriously unhealthy. This makes no sense. He didn't lose his account because of his views but because the bank had concerns about being associated with them?
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I think you are being pedantic over the use of a phrase. That people are arguing about freedom of speech being a concern doesn't mean the argument has any merit. As I said previously it is spurious. It's clearly untrue as the past week has demonstrated. That what Farage says is at the base of what has happened does not mean his ability to say it has been negatively impacted. If anything it has been amplified. It's no more true than if someone argued that Harry Kane plays for Palace. The arguing would exist, but not the argument. I expressed my opinion about the government's intervention in my previous comment. I think it's regrettable and politically motivated. What Sunak said is obviously true, but what is also true is that this isn't what has happened to Farage. He hasn't lost his account because of his views. It was removed by the bank because of their concerns about being associated with them. That's their decision. No one should be forced to be friends with someone they don't choose to be. This is no different. I have thought that Sunak, and particularly Hunt, have been doing a good job given the appalling mess they inherited from Johnson and Truss. Not enough to save them at the next GE but enough to allow the Tories to survive and recover when a complete wipeout looked possible. Their fawning to Farage indicates just how much the Tories still fear him, and that is seriously unhealthy. I think you’re the one being pedantic actually. And contradicting yourself. First you say there is no freedom of speech argument , but that’s only your opinion. Now you say there is an argument but is has no merit. I perfectly understand what the newly woke Coutts did what they did and so do the politicians . They are supporting Farage because they are also PEPS and it could happen to them. Nobody is forcing Coutts to be “ friends “ with Farage. Until Coutts enabled him who knew or cared that NF banked with them ? They should focus on deterring actual criminals, the money launderers, terrorist organisation etc because failing to results not only in reputational damage but financial penalties. My guess is that the next Risk Review that Coutts carry out is one that looks at whether the policy that has created this mess is fit for purpose.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
This is from Wiki. After submitting a subject access request in July, Farage published a 40-page internal document from the bank, which contained minutes from a meeting of the bank's Wealth Reputational Risk Committee on 17 November 2022, describing Farage as a "disingenuous grifter" who promoted "xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views", and said his "views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation", with "risk factors including... controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank’s purpose" It did, and that is not in dispute. It was careless to minute such remarks and an apology has been given for the language used. Read them very carefully again though and perhaps you will see that whilst they are describing his perceived character they aren't the reason for his debanking. The reason for his debanking is not of themselves Farage's views. It is their impact on the bank's position and purpose. They are not saying that Farage cannot hold and speak about such views, but that they don't feel it's wise for them to be connected to him. Now some will regard that as just semantics but it isn't. It's a fundamental right that people can decide for themselves who they associate with, on whatever basis they want. If you dislike me, for whatever reason, no one else can force you to associate yourself with me. A commercial business is no different unless they have some kind of legal compulsion, which I expect would be vigorously resisted if there was any attempt to introduce one.
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