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  Hrolf The Ganger  12 Jul 16 8.13pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Who are you talking to? You actually. Sorry with all these left wing remain whingers. I get a bit confused. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2016 8.23pm)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 8.20pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
I'd be interested to see projections that were made on anything other than recent historical facts and present day evidence. Hang on, I guess that's exactly what I did see from the Leave Camp ;-) It's not hard to plug in expected exchange rate change ranges and employment sentiment projections from Eu-facing companies in the event of either an In or Out vote. That's what empirical data and up to date client insight is for. The models spit out results based on different variables. If the models have got it wrong, then that's actually a really good thing for the country (and a pretty bad thing for the programmers). Models are only as good as the programmer and the data you enter into them. This particular model must have been subject to a lot of guess work. Forgive my skepticism.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You actually. I see you have edited the post. You don't even blimmin read who is posting what you are answering to. For those that missed it... I'd be interested in your answer to the question though. Edited by nickgusset (12 Jul 2016 8.28pm)
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Attachment: | nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 8.27pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You actually. Sorry with all these left wing remain whingers. I get a bit confused. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (12 Jul 2016 8.23pm) I'm not a remain whinger. You obviously don't read properly. Check yer glasses out man.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jul 16 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Models are only as good as the programmer and the data you enter into them. This particular model must have been subject to a lot of guess work. Forgive my skepticism. No problem - props for you staying on this thread to fly your particular flag. The data is kosher. Any model is by definition a prediction and not a fact, I'll grant you. However, you need to forgive me for viewing concepts and rhetoric (from any source or side) with a lot more skepticism than I attach to evidence based prediction. Pint?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 8.28pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I see you have edited the post. You don't even blimmin read who is posting what you are answering to. For those that missed it... Yes my mistake. I admit mine.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 8.33pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
No problem - props for you staying on this thread to fly your particular flag. The data is kosher. Any model is by definition a prediction and not a fact, I'll grant you. However, you need to forgive me for viewing concepts and rhetoric (from any source or side) with a lot more skepticism than I attach to evidence based prediction. Pint? Fair enough but I would not rely on any financial projection to decide Britain's future. There is far more to it than economics in any case. If you're buying...
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 8.35pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'm not a remain whinger. You obviously don't read properly. Check yer glasses out man. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jul 16 8.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Fair enough but I would not rely on any financial projection to decide Britain's future. There is far more to it than economics in any case. If you're buying... Yep, economics is one part of the arguement and not the whole one. But the UK my kids grow up in and their life chances are going to be impacted more by the economic state of the UK rather than it's demographic make up. I might not like it, but that's the way it seems to be for me. Leave could have convinced me with facts - I don't have a closed mind. Still, if Leave means no TTIP, then that's a win.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Yep, economics is one part of the arguement and not the whole one. But the UK my kids grow up in and their life chances are going to be impacted more by the economic state of the UK rather than it's demographic make up. I might not like it, but that's the way it seems to be for me. Leave could have convinced me with facts - I don't have a closed mind. Still, if Leave means no TTIP, then that's a win. I'd imagine we'd get a deal worse than ttip if we want to trade more with the states.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 12 Jul 16 8.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz! Again you are writing lies about me for your own gain. You learned well from the leave campaign.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 12 Jul 16 8.50pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'd imagine we'd get a deal worse than ttip if we want to trade more with the states. 51st State. We're doomed Capt. Mainwaring! ;-)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 9.15pm |
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Originally posted by Mr_Gristle
Yep, economics is one part of the arguement and not the whole one. But the UK my kids grow up in and their life chances are going to be impacted more by the economic state of the UK rather than it's demographic make up. I might not like it, but that's the way it seems to be for me. Leave could have convinced me with facts - I don't have a closed mind. Still, if Leave means no TTIP, then that's a win. They are not mutually exclusive. It is also too presumptions to think that we can certain of the future.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 Jul 16 9.16pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Again you are writing lies about me for your own gain. You learned well from the leave campaign. No one has lied about you Gusset.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jul 16 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by tome
Farage has said the £350m was a mistake. I guess partly if we did get the EEA option then we'd still have to pay, just have no say. But not one they'd verified before plastering it on the sides of buses etc. The sum isn't the issue either, its the fact that they stated this openly and publicly as true, and then when called on it whisper about it being a mistake etc. Which to me, suggests either they knew in advance, or didn't care. How hard is it to verify information? Not very. But they went ahead and did it anyway, because they knew it would create more support than it would damage. No one in politics is so incompetent as to not double check their facts and data before a campaign. They knew it was 'a mistake', which makes it a lie.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jul 16 12.20pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
But not one they'd verified before plastering it on the sides of buses etc. The sum isn't the issue either, its the fact that they stated this openly and publicly as true, and then when called on it whisper about it being a mistake etc. Which to me, suggests either they knew in advance, or didn't care. How hard is it to verify information? Not very. But they went ahead and did it anyway, because they knew it would create more support than it would damage. No one in politics is so incompetent as to not double check their facts and data before a campaign. They knew it was 'a mistake', which makes it a lie. Are we really still hung up on the fact that politicians exaggerate during campaigns?
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| Lyons550 Shirley 13 Jul 16 12.24pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
So why didn't they say there was no plan before the referendum? The only people that could and DID plan was the BoE...hence the banking system being more than robust enough to cope with the ripples the outcome has and will continue to cause. The Tier 1 capital raised by our banks was in fact raised to deal with far worse scenarios then created by Brexit...but then Brexit isn't an economic crisis...unlike 2008 and as such it'll all settle down once we know the details of the withdrawal under Article 50.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jul 16 12.28pm |
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Originally posted by Lyons550
The only people that could and DID plan was the BoE...hence the banking system being more than robust enough to cope with the ripples the outcome has and will continue to cause. The Tier 1 capital raised by our banks was in fact raised to deal with far worse scenarios then created by Brexit...but then Brexit isn't an economic crisis...unlike 2008 and as such it'll all settle down once we know the details of the withdrawal under Article 50. Of course settle down, doesn't necessarily mean in a positive way to some people. Although it'll be stable, doesn't mean it will be what people want. Just what it is. I don't expect the UK to economically be as strong as it was out of the EU, that seems a bit absurd, given the size and power of the EU trading block. But surrendering some of our economic power, to obtain greater power to control over our economic future, even if its inferior, seems like a fair exchange.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Jul 16 12.29pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I'd imagine we'd get a deal worse than ttip if we want to trade more with the states. Difference is, we'd have the option of not accepting that deal, and taking the economic hit.
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| Mapletree Croydon 13 Jul 16 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course settle down, doesn't necessarily mean in a positive way to some people. Although it'll be stable, doesn't mean it will be what people want. Just what it is. I don't expect the UK to economically be as strong as it was out of the EU, that seems a bit absurd, given the size and power of the EU trading block. But surrendering some of our economic power, to obtain greater power to control over our economic future, even if its inferior, seems like a fair exchange. It's good to see you have the depth of pockets to take the hit then Jamie.
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