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I think the Tories really hurt themselves with these kind of attitudes. Think about it Wilo. You say three percent...well the actual last figure I saw was 910,000 people in the Uk on zero hours.

You say just say three percent....But think about it... when you drill down where that three percent come from...how many of them are doing ok? You can take out the higher and middle class straight away. That percentage those three percent are mostly coming from a set segment of society. The young and working class.

Now that three percent actually becomes a large percent for that type of workforce.

This election has shown just by ignoring the traditional working class Tory and allowing their standards of living to continually go down the Tories are going to allow in the far left. The number of working age working class Tories continues to go down and down.

I think zero hours needs looking at....I think it needed looking at years ago.

The 'I'm alright Jack' element that just thinks the Tories can just look after the greys and that this will win elections need to reconsider.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Society needs levels of work for everyone. However it's important that society is also always looking to find pathways to increase the percentage number of higher paid jobs in the economy.

That should be permanently on the mind of the relevant ministers. You would think that investment in science and information technology would be high on that agenda.

We certainly can't compete in manufacturing against the globalized world.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The pace of growth of hyper-flexible "zero-hours contracts", which do not guarantee workers a minimum amount of work, slowed markedly in the second half of 2016.

The zero-hours "juggernaut" (as the 'Left' see it) is showing signs of slowing down, with barely any increase during the second half of 2016, according to Laura Gardiner, a senior policy analyst at the 'Resolution Foundation' think-tank.

This slowdown is likely due to a strong jobs market meaning that job hunters now have more options available than taking a contract without guaranteed hours, firms being reluctant to be associated with using zero-hours contracts following the bad press received by firms like 'Sports Direct, and the high profile of these contracts meaning there is no backlog of people reporting being on one artificially boosting numbers.

At the end of the day we have the lowest employment rate since 1975.

Edited by Willo (17 Jun 2017 11.10pm)

The Tories stand for things I believe in....Well, more than other parties do now Brexit is seemingly happening. But the working class Tory is becoming rarer as the party seems to retreat from them into its leafy areas and Elton graduates.

Still, I come from a military family and I was brought up to have pride in my country. So far in my lifetime I can see that culturally, for the ideals of secularism, that the adage 'the west is best' isn't far off... and I see no problems with cultural ethnocentrism nor non violent nationalism.

I don't believe in cultural revisionism nor multiculturalism nor so many of poorly thought out ideological ideas that I believe has been forced upon the nation. The natural pace of change needed to be far slower.

So I guess I stand closer to Wilo than your good self. However this is in no means a slight to you as difference of viewpoint, with it's requirement for debate, is a healthy exercise for moderation in life. In cultures that don't encourage debate we see far harsher societies.

I don't know if you are referring back to that previous thread and it's 'left is brighter than right' viewpoint but I'll just repeat my thoughts on it again...Mainly because it's important that it's stated. Someone's intelligence does not factor into believing in the same politics.

If this were true then IQ breakdowns around the world would broadly fit into the same left/right/libertarian/authoritarian party support.

A person's worldview, and hence political support is affected by far more than logic. Family upbringing and relationships and the nature of your environment form a far more important determinate. Anyone trying to suggest that Corbyn is say more intelligent than Putin is just being foolish.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Jun 2017 2.07am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Corbyn seems to have gone down quite well at Glasto.

We would all be living in tents permanently if that Marxist f***wit gets anywhere to being in charge ,

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

A fair day's pay for a fair days work, affordable housing and job security are not that left wing and are pretty much center ground politics outside of the Sun and the Daily Mail. The corporate tax level he proposed was lower than Thatcher had in place.

I have read Marx and he makes good points about the problems of Capitalism but I don't share his faith in the dictatorship of the Proletariat. But I certainly think that considering we are the sixth richest country in the world our current model of Capitalism is crap - unless you are rich. It the system that just keeps giving if you are rich.

JC is spot on and that is why he is getting so much support despite the bias press coverage.

To say Corbyn is a Marxist shows that you are better at echoing cliches than you are at getting your head around political ideas.

So what is your take on Marx?

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