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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 05 Aug 16 12.59pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

Italy's largest bank is on the brink, the EU is going to collapse, yet remainers are still hanging on wanting to be part of the joke EU.

We, brexitiers have saved your arses yet you're still all sleeping and unaware we've rescued you from that he'll hole.

Edited by DivingIsNotGood (04 Aug 2016 6.36pm)

Wow, thank you SO much for 'saving' us silly remainers (all 48% of us who are apparently incapable of tying our own shoelaces) from ourselves. You sound really desperate for the EU to collapse so you can be proved 'right'.

 

JohnyBoy Flag 05 Aug 16 2.35pm

Originally posted by dannyh

Hmmmm misanthropist would imply I hate humanity, funny that since I put my own life at risk to help protect humanity and democracy.

I'm not an Ex anything (apart from school scallywag) I still serve my queen and country and all that entails, I admittedly am not to keen on you, mainly down to your petulant one sided view of the world, that I can't help thinking has been formed from musings of others in the common room or nick gussets links to the more left of center websites he frequents

However I have never met you and you may well be an awesome chap with very level headed values ...truth is I don't know, but as others have pointed out you don't give off that general impression, and come across as some sort of modern day reactionary parody of Rick from the young ones.

You are of course entitled to your opinions as am I, just don't automatically think somone is less entitled to their opinion just because it's not the same as your own.

Now off to bed, your new David Walliams won't read itself.

Edited by dannyh (03 Aug 2016 8.48pm)

I am not keen on you either Danny, especially if you read David Walliams books but confess that i am indeed an 'awesome chap', so we'd probably get along just fine. I am an ex (20 odd years ago) pro rugby league player (Hull & Ldn Broncos) so like many servicemen i am sometimes inclined to let the confrontational side of my nature get in the way of my professionalism wrt my postings on the HOL...but thank you for the compliment that i am like a student. I have since ploughed my trade as an economist/fund manager although during brexit we were pilloried for our views as the country 'had enough of experts'. But i dont mind people having different views, i just want to point out that it wasnt a 'fear' campaign but very much real risks which will pan out over the next 7 years economically, politically, constitutionally, socially etc. Whilst this makes little or no sense to me i accept its what people wanted and voted for, press the article 50 button now cos the uncertainty is very damaging, but i struggle to find a single positive outcome. We will agree to differ professionally.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Aug 16 3.51pm

What if EU parliament refuses they are entitled to.

 

Stuk Flag Top half 05 Aug 16 4.06pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

What if EU parliament refuses they are entitled to.

To pay the pensions you mean?

They're not entitled to refuse at all. They offered the pensions, not the UK, and they're obliged to pay them.

 


Optimistic as ever

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Aug 16 4.36pm

Hi S - I mean vote against the whole thing - the treaty is between us and the EU - the Parliament of the EU will have to ratify and if it is not in their interests they may vote No.

Consequences?

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 05 Aug 16 4.43pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I am not keen on you either Danny, especially if you read David Walliams books but confess that i am indeed an 'awesome chap', so we'd probably get along just fine. I am an ex (20 odd years ago) pro rugby league player (Hull & Ldn Broncos) so like many servicemen i am sometimes inclined to let the confrontational side of my nature get in the way of my professionalism wrt my postings on the HOL...but thank you for the compliment that i am like a student. I have since ploughed my trade as an economist/fund manager although during brexit we were pilloried for our views as the country 'had enough of experts'. But i dont mind people having different views, i just want to point out that it wasnt a 'fear' campaign but very much real risks which will pan out over the next 7 years economically, politically, constitutionally, socially etc. Whilst this makes little or no sense to me i accept its what people wanted and voted for, press the article 50 button now cos the uncertainty is very damaging, but i struggle to find a single positive outcome. We will agree to differ professionally.

I think you meant 'plied' rather than 'ploughed', trade-wise.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Stuk Flag Top half 05 Aug 16 4.46pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Hi S - I mean vote against the whole thing - the treaty is between us and the EU - the Parliament of the EU will have to ratify and if it is not in their interests they may vote No.

Consequences?

Err no, it's entirely our call. Same as it is with when we trigger article 50.

They can jump up and down and scream at us to invoke it, but when we do has nothing to do with them. And they wrote it so if they don't like it, you know who they can moan at.

 


Optimistic as ever

JohnyBoy Flag 05 Aug 16 4.58pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

I think you meant 'plied' rather than 'ploughed', trade-wise.

Thank u cucking, you are ofcourse correct as ever but 'Ploughed' is probably more accurate given the performance of my funds!!!

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 05 Aug 16 5.06pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Thank u cucking, you are ofcourse correct as ever but 'Ploughed' is probably more accurate given the performance of my funds!!!

Heading south faster than a duck in winter, perhaps? You could always blame Brexit.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

JohnyBoy Flag 05 Aug 16 5.10pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Heading south faster than a duck in winter, perhaps? You could always blame Brexit.

Oh i do Cucking! Everybody else seems to be doing it so why not eh!!

 

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 05 Aug 16 5.44pm

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Time to wake up guys

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

legaleagle Flag 05 Aug 16 5.49pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

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Time to wake up guys

Wake up or free fall into terminal bonkers conspiracy protocols of the elders of zionesque mode?

 

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 05 Aug 16 6.05pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

Wake up or free fall into terminal bonkers conspiracy protocols of the elders of zionesque mode?

Another sleeper!

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

legaleagle Flag 05 Aug 16 7.16pm


You should meet a bloke called David Icke, you'd probably have a quite a lot in common

 

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 05 Aug 16 7.35pm

Originally posted by legaleagle


You should meet a bloke called David Icke, you'd probably have a quite a lot in common

A life lived out a textbook must be restrictive? Unable to free think?

I like legalese though - understand = stand under! Sumons = invite! A world full of threats and lies, for self profit.

The corners of truth are being peeled back, the common man will start to take charge whilst the sleepers weep #tortoiseAndTheHaire

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 05 Aug 16 7.45pm

Members of parliament are in fact, ”DIRECTORS OF A CORPORATION” which will keep heading in the same direction no matter who is elected.

POLITICS: Pertaining to POLICY, or the ADMINISTRATION of the GOVERNMENT. POLICY: A plan or course of action, as of a GOVERNMENT, POLITICAL PARTY or CORPORATION- a WRITTEN CONTRACT or a CERTIFICATE of INSURANCE.

ACTS of PARLIAMENT become STATUTES; PRIMARY LEGISLATION which in turn are ENACTED and ENFORCED by STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS; SECONDARY LEGISLATION.

COUNCIL TAX is a STATUTORY INSTRUMENT ENACTED on 1st April 1993 under its PRIMARY LEGISLATION the LOCAL GOVERNMENT FINANCE ACT 1992.

STATUTORY: Created, defined or relating to a STATUTE; conforming to a statute.
INSTRUMENT: A WRITTEN LEGAL document such as a CONTRACT, lease, deed will or bond.

SOCIETY: the SOCIALLY DOMINANT members of a community, a SOCIETY is a number of PERSONS united together by mutual CONSENT, in order to deliberate, determine and act jointly for some COMMON PURPOSE.

CONTRACT: an agreement between two or more PERSONS that CREATES or MODIFIES an existing RELATIONSHIP.
OFFER, CONSIDERATION and ACCEPTANCE must exist for a CONTRACT to be made.

CONSTITUTION; The fundamental RULES, written or unwritten that establishes the CHARACTER of a GOVERNMENT by defining the basic principles to which a SOCIETY must CONFORM.
You were not given a choice if you wanted to join this SOCIETY; it was made for you at a time when you could not express a choice.

STATUTE: A LEGISLATIVE RULE of SOCIETY given the FORCE of law by the CONSENT of the GOVERNED, a RULE, as of a CORPORATION.
STATUTES are not LAWS
From the neuter of Latin: STATUS: The LEGAL CHARACTER or condition of a PERSON or thing. It is totally imaginary, not real.

UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION

The UNITED KINGDOM is a CORPORATION and has employees. The employees are not just civil servants but everyone, if you have a N.I. number you too are an employee of this CORPORATION.

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COMPANY POLICY of this CORPORATION requires you, as an EMPLOYEE to pay TAX and follow all the LEGISLATIVE RULES of that CORPORATION in this case STATUTES.
As in any COMPANY, if you break the RULES you will be DISCIPLINED under that COMPANY’S LEGISLATION.

The POLICE of the UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION are all COMPANY’S too, run for PROFIT.
As CORPORATE POLICY ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS their job is to ENFORCE the RULES of the CORPORATION.

The COURTS of the UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION are all COMPANY’S too, if you break the RULES they will invite (SUMMONS) you to their place of business to discuss your punishment, except they are not inviting YOU, you have been deceived into thinking that its YOU they’re inviting.
Even the highest COURT in the land (THE HOUSE OF LORDS) is a CORPORATION.

The POLICEMAN and the CORPORATE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

The POLICE MAN (HUMAN BEING) has a duty under COMMON LAW to serve and protect and uphold the COMMON LAW.
The POLICE OFFICER (FICTION) is a CORPORATE EMPLOYEE a REVENUE COLLECTOR who ENFORCES STATUTES.

You are in COMMON LAW JURISDICTION this means that no CIVIL LAW STATUTE applies unless you CONSENT to it.

POLICE are a COMPANY which exists to make PROFIT. They PROFIT from you by enforcing STATUTES on you, not LAWS, POLICY.

LEGALESE

A language can be created and used by a SOCIETY; a CORPORATION can be such a SOCIETY. LEGALESE is such a language, it is English but some words have VERY different meanings… LEGALESE is the language of the LAW SOCIETY.
Example; MUST is synonymous with MAY (if someone from a CORPORATION says “you MUST” they are actually giving you a choice, because they can’t force you, they are not allowed to because it’s not LAW it’s only POLICY).
Example; SUMMONS is synonymous with INVITATION. When you get a SUMMONS from a COURT of supposedly LAW you are actually being INVITED to a CORPORATE place of business to discuss how much money you are going to give that CORPORATE place of business.
Example; UNDERSTAND is synonymous with STAND UNDER. If I say “do you UNDERSTAND” and you reply “yes” that means you have given me authority over you. It’s as simple as that.

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MINISTRY OF JUSTICE. Also traded as MAGISTRATES COURTS, every one of them is a CORPORATION running for PROFIT.

If you go to COURT (CORPORATE place of BUSINESS) you are asked immediately for your NAME, they even presume to know who you are and will ask as such…
MR SMITH? — MR is the title of something with LEGAL PERSONALLITY (STATUS)
You were named by your parents but they didn’t call you MR John Smith.
If you reply “yes” to the NAME you have agreed to REPRESENT the FICTIONAL ENTITY with LEGAL PERSONALITY’S i.e. Mr JOHN SMITH/ Mr Smith
A man cannot be acted on by STATUTES, nor can a woman, a flesh and blood human being, STATUTES only apply to the FICTIONAL ENTITY with a LEGAL PERSONALITY’S.
Every TITLE in this land is a FICTION e.g. Mr, LORD, REV etc because it doesn’t apply to a flesh and blood human being, it is the LEGAL STATUS.

NATURAL or COMMON LAW applies to you, inherent LAW. You know inherently what is right or wrong.

COMMERCIAL POLICY (UCC), CIVIL POLICY and POLITICAL POLICY apply to the FICTION but they need the flesh and blood human being to REPRESENT it because the LEGAL PERSONALITY’S does not exist.

A COMPANY exists only because a piece of paper says it does but it’s not REAL.

COMMON LAW vs. STATUTE RULES/POLICY

The only basic principles that any people of any nation need to adhere to are those of NATURAL LAW which are mirrored in COMMON LAW – Never cause HARM or LOSS. This covers every eventuality. COMMON LAW applies to a man or a woman. STATUTE RULES apply to the PERSON only when the man or woman CONSENTS to REPRESENT the PERSON
CONSENT can be given by IN-ACTION as well as ACTION.

Within COMMON LAW exists the word JUSTICE within STATUTE RULES you will just receive SUMMARY JUDGEMENT- you broke the RULES of the CONTRACT- you lose.

You are a man or a woman, you have a PERSON you exist NATURALLY, and you are subject to COMMON LAW JURISDICTION. (JURIS-of law. DICTION-the use of words) you were created by god, nature the divine whatever…..
You must never cause another HARM or LOSS or commit FRAUD.
You have free and unlimited ability to CONTRACT and settle debt in private under COMMERCIAL LAW.

You have been labelled through deception with a fictitious entity the all caps NAME on your birth certificate.

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The fictitious you was created by GOVERNMENT.
The fictional entity is subject to CIVIL POLICY (TAX etc) under STATUTE.
The fictitious entity does business in the public and is controlled by CIVIL LAW and CORPORATE COURTS.

WHAT IS A PERSON

They are inviting a PERSON created by the UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION. Your PERSON was created when your birth was REGISTERED and is evidenced by your BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

Man created GOVERNMENT which in turn created PERSONS. Your PERSON is not you; it is a LEGAL FICTION which you are falsely identifying with because you have been deceived massively. You don’t get to say what its RIGHTS and DUTIES are, the UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION does but it has to MISLEAD into doing so by DECEPTION.

DEFINE PERSON

Includes natural PERSON, FIRM. CO-PARTNERSHIP, ASSOCIATION, LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY or CORPORATION- LEGAL PERSONALITY’S
(Defining a word with the same word is failing to define anything)
PERSON is defined as a FICTION in black’s law 3rd edition.

THE CREATION OF A PERSON

When you were born your mother/father SUBMITTED a BIRTH CERTIFICATE REGISTRATION APPLICATION FORM
In the FORMULATION of any LIMITED COMPANY/CORPORATION there is always a CERTIFICATE OF REGISTRATION to create its LEGAL PERSONALITY’S. Your fictional PERSON known as Mr, Mrs or Ms is created by the same means

SUBMIT A REGISTRATION APPLICATION

When you SUBMIT you are bending to another’s will.
When you REGISTER you are handing over LEGAL TITLE of what you are REGISTERING to whoever you are REGISTERING it to, you are REGISTERING to ACKNOWLEDGING or TRANSFERRING the AUTHORITY to another by this PROCESS.
When you APPLY, which means to beg, the assumption is made that you know exactly what you are begging for by whom or what you are APPLYING to and you know exactly what you are willing to give up for it, and most of the time you VOLUNTEERED your APPLICATION and you were not forced to APPLY.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE. How the PERSON is created as a “BONDED SLAVE”

You get a CERTIFIED COPY you don’t get the ORIGINAL.
NAME of the PERSON being created- CAPITALISED SURNAME is a FICTION

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NAME of PERSON father/mother CAPITALISED SURNAMES is the INFORMANT, they have the QUALIFICATION needed to be able to INFORM on the child being born.
At the bottom of the BIRTH CERTIFICATE is a DECLARATION, a declaration is in COMMON LAW (a sworn oath of a man or woman) a DECLARATION from a man or woman to prove a man or woman was PRESENT to REPRESENT the PERSON needed to create the new PERSONS LEGAL PERSONALITY’S.

Then you REGISTER the BIRTH CERTIFICATE to a CORPORATION the GENERAL REGISTER OFFICE.

REGISTRATION AND YOUR CHILDREN

To this day REGISTRATION still means the same thing i.e. the TRANSFER of LEGAL TITLE to the body you have REGISTERED it with.
As you have seen the worst possible way that this process could have been abused is in the REGISTRATION of BIRTHS
A simple show of how your child no longer belongs to you is this; mandatory vaccinations, mandatory schooling, holidaying the children when they say you can and not before…..they tell you how to manage their PROPERTY and if you don’t do it their way their APPOINTED GUARDIANS take your children away: the SOCIAL SERVICES PLC a CORPORATION.
You have no claim whatsoever to your children because you’ve been duped.

PLEASE CONSIDER THIS

Could the GOVERNMENT take your car away and crush it LAWFULLY if you actually owned it? It would be totally UNLAWFUL so in the process of REGISTERING your vehicle they dupe you into handing over LEGAL TITLE of that vehicle (ownership) and you get a V5 DOCUMENT as the REGISTERED KEEPER (a PERMISSION to use it as long as it is used in ACCORDANCE with all their RULES) If they did not dupe you into this the very ACT of taking and crushing your PROPERTY would be a CRIME in COMMON LAW. Also by REGISTERING it you, as STATED AGREE to ABIDE by their RULES and do so in their SOCIETY, this is how they LEVY the fuel DUTY, road TAX, MOT REQUIREMENT.
You then REGISTER it to another CORPORATION, DEPARTMENT FOR TRANSPORT also traded as DVLA.

PLEASE REMEMBER

When you REGISTER something, anything, you give up ownership of it and instead you get a CERTIFICATE OF TITLE, this is worthless and this is why you own nothing not even your children, house, car etc.

FIXED PENALTY NOTICES issued by CORPORATIONS

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So why are there so many FIXED PENALTY NOTICES being given for the most ludicrous reasons? Parking in a place a CORPORATION deems you can’t. Speed cameras’, not completing a SORN the list is endless, but what are these NOTICES in the real world being ISSUED by these CORPORATIONS which never stop dreaming up reasons for PENALISING you. PENALISED by way of FORFIET: (something surrendered or subject to surrender as a punishment for a breach of CONTRACT)
FPN: An OFFER to accept an ADHESION CONTRACT.
ADHESION CONTRACT: A type of CONTRACT a LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT between two PARTIES to do a certain thing in which one side has all the bargaining power and uses it to write the CONTRACT primarily to his, her or its advantage.
A NOTICE is not a BILL, a NOTICE is not a DEMAND, and A NOTICE is nothing more than an OFFER to discuss the CONTRACT the OFFERER is trying to force upon your PERSON. This is simply a tool for REVENUE COLLECTION.
The true reason why these FPNs are forced upon your PERSON is simply to maintain the ILLUSION that they have control over your LIFE, FORTUNE, and FREEDOM because you FEAR their ability to take away from you something you deem valuable.

LAWFUL REBELLION

Peacefully resist all claims against your PERSON by refusing to CONSENT to the CORPORATIONS POLICY
Always ask when stopped by a POLICY ENFORCEMENT OFFICER “Am I OBLIGED to answer your questions” “Under what AUTHORITY and what LAW are you ACTING” if they say to you “Its under this or that LAW” and you can prove its only an ACT or STATUTE, remind them that “failure to differentiate between a STATUTE and LAW is GROSS NEGLIGENCE which is equivalent to the COMMON LAW CRIME of FRAUD. This applies to anyone who tries to enforce a STATUTE upon you no matter who they are.

YOU ARE A MAN/WOMAN IN LAWFUL REBELLION YOU ARE NOT A PERSON

You are a man or a woman you are not a PERSON The legal world is the same as your PERSON it is a FICTION an ILLUSION that does not exist in the REAL WORLD That is why the CORPORATE EMPLOYEES must get the man or woman to REPRESENT the PERSON before a contract can be formed. They will ask you your NAME and ADDRESS and if you give it to them they will have JOINDER
There is no LAW saying you have to give your NAME and ADDRESS, if you do give it to them you have said “yes I am the PERSON
Remember, there is no JUSTICE in this country only SUMMARY JUDGEMENT, for every COURT, even the highest in the land is a FOR PROFIT CORPORATION which is part of THE UNITED KINGDOM CORPORATION.


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I bet legaleagle is litigation rather than a real fight on your hands?

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

legaleagle Flag 05 Aug 16 7.45pm

Originally posted by DivingIsNotGood

A life lived out a textbook must be restrictive? Unable to free think?

I like legalese though - understand = stand under! Sumons = invite! A world full of threats and lies, for self profit.

The corners of truth are being peeled back, the common man will start to take charge whilst the sleepers weep #tortoiseAndTheHaire

Good try

sure it's not tortoise and the hare?

Edited by legaleagle (05 Aug 2016 7.51pm)

 

.TUX. Flag 05 Aug 16 8.19pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Wow, thank you SO much for 'saving' us silly remainers (all 48% of us who are apparently incapable of tying our own shoelaces) from ourselves. You sound really desperate for the EU to collapse so you can be proved 'right'.

That's always a possibility but it doesn't change the facts of the post.
Brexit is going to be blamed for all what's coming by many remainers but the global problems we face have been growing for many years.
Other than making some feel they've won something and others feeling they've lost something, the result of the vote has changed nothing, despite what you may think.
Trouble has been on the cards for a long time. The vote a few weeks ago changes nothing. But if you honestly believe it has then so be it.

I'm off for a curry. Enjoy your weekend.


 


Buy Litecoin.

DivingIsNotGood Flag se25 05 Aug 16 8.47pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

That's always a possibility but it doesn't change the facts of the post.
Brexit is going to be blamed for all what's coming by many remainers but the global problems we face have been growing for many years.
Other than making some feel they've won something and others feeling they've lost something, the result of the vote has changed nothing, despite what you may think.
Trouble has been on the cards for a long time. The vote a few weeks ago changes nothing. But if you honestly believe it has then so be it.

I'm off for a curry. Enjoy your weekend.


Boys post here, men investigate @legaleagle

 


VOTING OUT - Brexit will allow Britain to embrace the Commonwealth and be GREAT again

leifandersonshair Flag Newport 05 Aug 16 9.17pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

That's always a possibility but it doesn't change the facts of the post.
Brexit is going to be blamed for all what's coming by many remainers but the global problems we face have been growing for many years.
Other than making some feel they've won something and others feeling they've lost something, the result of the vote has changed nothing, despite what you may think.
Trouble has been on the cards for a long time. The vote a few weeks ago changes nothing. But if you honestly believe it has then so be it.

I'm off for a curry. Enjoy your weekend.


Cheers- enjoy your curry. And celebrate the return of football this weekend

 

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