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 Hansy  27 Jun 17 5.12pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The labour manifesto was fully costed.....except for the bits that weren't. For the eleventeenth time, they were all costed to the single shilling.
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| Helmet46 Croydon 27 Jun 17 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Not so the labour manifesto was fully costed. Corporations, the better-off will pay for the increases. This is because, unlike disability claimants, they actually have the money. It is an opportunity for them to be responsible members of society (well there is a first for everything)
And when the rich and the corporations leave, because a lot probably will, as they can afford to and because Brexit gives them a good excuse and because they are not all responsible members of society - who will pay then? In my humble opinion hitting both the corporations and the rich may be an error. Get the corps in, as they'll employ people who all pay tax, but hit the higher earners. Edited by Helmet46 (27 Jun 2017 10.22pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 Jun 17 11.51pm |
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Made me chuckle. A bit.
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corkery  Cork City 28 Jun 17 12.29am |
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It's true. Just attack the policies and not the person.
We'll never die |
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 Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 11.24am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Not so the labour manifesto was fully costed. Corporations, the better-off will pay for the increases. This is because, unlike disability claimants, they actually have the money. It is an opportunity for them to be responsible members of society (well there is a first for everything)
Please tell me that you don't really believe that. It really isn't worth debating on this level.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Willo
Corbyn who promised a "Kinder,gentler politics". Corbyn believes he is the new 'Messiah'.Him and McDonnell are going around after the election as if they were the winners when Labour sustained a third successive defeat. Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2017 11.25am) He's like the political equivalent of The Child Catcher.
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| CambridgeEagle Sydenham 28 Jun 17 11.35am |
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Originally posted by Helmet46
And when the rich and the corporations leave, because a lot probably will, as they can afford to and because Brexit gives them a good excuse and because they are not all responsible members of society - who will pay then? In my humble opinion hitting both the corporations and the rich may be an error. Get the corps in, as they'll employ people who all pay tax, but hit the higher earners. Edited by Helmet46 (27 Jun 2017 10.22pm) Where will they go?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 28 Jun 17 11.48am |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Where will they go? There are plenty of responsible people who will take their place.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Corbyn who promised a "Kinder,gentler politics". Corbyn believes he is the new 'Messiah'.Him and McDonnell are going around after the election as if they were the winners when Labour sustained a third successive defeat and by a considerable margin at that. Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2017 11.32am) And May is like Lazarus. Problem is I think, how much everyone built up just how badly beaten Corbyn would be, from his own party MPs to the Media and his opposition / dissenters. If they hadn't marked him up as 'the death of the Labour party', then the Labour party would probably be in a leadership selection by now. Problem is your guys had a 'Dead Cert Landslider' deliver a humiliating failure, whilst they had the unelectable unpopular man, prove to be actually about as popular as the last few Labour leaders. It creates the appearance of failure, and success. In many ways the people responsible for Corbyn still being the Labour leader is all those who wrote him off, tried to stab him in the back, undermine him etc. In the end they ended up cermenting his position
"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" |
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jun 17 12.23pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
And May is like Lazarus. Problem is I think, how much everyone built up just how badly beaten Corbyn would be, from his own party MPs to the Media and his opposition / dissenters. If they hadn't marked him up as 'the death of the Labour party', then the Labour party would probably be in a leadership selection by now. Problem is your guys had a 'Dead Cert Landslider' deliver a humiliating failure, whilst they had the unelectable unpopular man, prove to be actually about as popular as the last few Labour leaders. It creates the appearance of failure, and success. In many ways the people responsible for Corbyn still being the Labour leader is all those who wrote him off, tried to stab him in the back, undermine him etc. In the end they ended up cermenting his position The Conservative Party never talked in these terms at all, nor did I on HOL. Corbyn benefitted NOT because of his excellence but because of the abysmal Conservative manifesto and campaign.Labour behaviour since the election is one of a sinister cult not a serious alternative Government. I tore Corbyn and McDonnell to shreds last night in my 'Local' with liberal helpings of vitriol and belicose diatribe - What was my blood pressure nurse ?? No good for hypertension so perhaps I would be better advised NOT to get into all of this on HOL and concentrate on the football debates.Labour and Corbyn are NOT worth it. Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2017 12.28pm)
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| Username Horsham 28 Jun 17 12.33pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
The Conservative Party never talked in these terms at all, nor did I on HOL. Corbyn benefitted NOT because of his excellence but because of the abysmal Conservative manifesto and campaign.Labour behaviour since the election is one of a sinister cult not a serious alternative Government. I tore Corbyn and McDonnell to shreds last night in my 'Local' with liberal helpings of vitriol and belicose diatribe - What was my blood pressure nurse ?? No good for hypertension so perhaps I would be better advised NOT to get into all of this on HOL and concentrate on the football debates.Labour and Corbyn are NOT worth it. Edited by Willo (28 Jun 2017 12.28pm) Please, continue.
Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time. |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 28 Jun 17 12.34pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
The Conservative Party never talked in these terms at all, nor did I on HOL. Corbyn benefitted NOT because of his excellence but because of the abysmal Conservative manifesto and campaign. Labour behaviour since the election is one of a sinister cult not a serious alternative Government. Hubris. They expected to increase their majority significantly - and were very confident that Labour was in disarray and would take a beating. They were also confident enough in their manifesto and leader, to call a snap election. If that's the case, how come the Conservatives gained seats. Of course they're playing up the positives, just like Conservatives are. That's politics and PR. People don't just vote for the other side because the Conservatives f**ked up. Usually protest votes go to smaller parties. Corbyn ran a very good campaign, and motivated a very significant support basis, that also contributed to turning around a position where he was 'f**ked in the polls, to achieving a turn around'. I thought he was a dead man walking, who'd be battered into ridicule at the first national election - but he did remarkably well, and won over a lot of people who aren't set voters - Locally, they demolished a 12 year sitting Tory Rob Wilson and their campaign was very focused and tight in Reading, which I'm assuming was the case elsewhere. The problem for the Conservatives isn't just that May and the Manifesto was poor. Its that Corbyn might very well be far more popular than expected.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 28 Jun 17 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Where will they go? A lot to Ireland with its lower corporation tax. Others around the globe if it suits their business. Others will of course go bankrupt.
We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell] |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 1.24pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hubris. They expected to increase their majority significantly - and were very confident that Labour was in disarray and would take a beating. They were also confident enough in their manifesto and leader, to call a snap election. If that's the case, how come the Conservatives gained seats. Of course they're playing up the positives, just like Conservatives are. That's politics and PR. People don't just vote for the other side because the Conservatives f**ked up. Usually protest votes go to smaller parties. Corbyn ran a very good campaign, and motivated a very significant support basis, that also contributed to turning around a position where he was 'f**ked in the polls, to achieving a turn around'. I thought he was a dead man walking, who'd be battered into ridicule at the first national election - but he did remarkably well, and won over a lot of people who aren't set voters - Locally, they demolished a 12 year sitting Tory Rob Wilson and their campaign was very focused and tight in Reading, which I'm assuming was the case elsewhere. The problem for the Conservatives isn't just that May and the Manifesto was poor. Its that Corbyn might very well be far more popular than expected. The Corbyn worship has echoes of the hippy movement and to a degree, the civil rights movement of the 60's. The young love the naive idea that we can put flowers in gun barrels and ban the nukes. That policy would have seen us part of the Soviet Union by now. Minorities like the idea that someone can save them from their perceived inequality. That's why so many are religious. They would rather depend on the help of the 'almighty', than help themselves. It's a sad day indeed when people put their faith in a man like Corbyn. If the country had been run by Communists, he would have been a Fascist. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jun 2017 1.24pm)
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| Username Horsham 28 Jun 17 1.32pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The Corbyn worship has echoes of the hippy movement and to a degree, the civil rights movement of the 60's. The young love the naive idea that we can put flowers in gun barrels and ban the nukes. That policy would have seen us part of the Soviet Union by now. Minorities like the idea that someone can save them from their perceived inequality. That's why so many are religious. They would rather depend on the help of the 'almighty', than help themselves. It's a sad day indeed when people put their faith in a man like Corbyn. If the country had been run by Communists, he would have been a Fascist. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jun 2017 1.24pm) You say that like it's a bad thing...
Employee of the month is a good example of how someone can be both a winner and a loser at the same time. |
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| Hrolf The Ganger 28 Jun 17 1.36pm |
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Originally posted by Username
You say that like it's a bad thing... It is a very bad thing. It is using peoples 'hope' for political gain. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Jun 2017 1.38pm)
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