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davenotamonkey Flag 05 Mar 16 12.42am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think its more that both sides don't really want to admit that in or out, won't actually change anything. If we go out, then we'll go down the route of the 'non-eu partners' in the ETA (which essentially will undermine a lot of the reason to leave the EU) and it'll be sold on the national sovereignty issue.

If we stay in, its business as usual, which is pretty much exactly what it will be if we exit.

Insofar as the EU will hold court over us, with progressively more power transferred from the UKgov to Brussels, yes "business as usual".

I can't wait to see who will end up paying the extra €20bn they will be demanding in the budget post-referendum. For those unsure about how the contributions are carved up, it's down which countries are in growth. That would be pretty much us at the moment.

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It's also an utter fallacy to say that we're voting to "Remain" in the EU as we have it now: expect less representation, more money and power flowing to Brussels and more unskilled labour flowing back the other way.

Rhetoric? Hyperbole? I'm only extrapolating from trends in ever-increasing net immigration, size of the EU acquis and our net contributions to the EU budget. If someone desperate to stay in-at-all-costs has alternative figures, do provide them.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Mar 16 7.55am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I thought that was a joke till I saw the link?

WTF........ -.-'

Boris not happy!!

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Mar 16 8.06am

Originally posted by exitstageright

setting the police on a 15-year-old for accessing a UKIP website really does illustrate why we need a change to all the politically correct claptrap of recent years.

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

 

Midlands Eagle Flag 06 Mar 16 8.10am

I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent but this is one of the few issues that I genuinely don't know which way is best as both "ins" and "outs" seem to make fairly convincing arguments.

My personal preference would be to opt out of certain European aspects rather like David Cameron initially wanted but he didn't get what he wanted and I'm sure that I'm not the only genuine "don't know"

 

exitstageright Flag London 06 Mar 16 8.22am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

It also shows how polarised the country is becoming and how intolerant and potentially oppressive the new Establishment are.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Mar 16 9.12am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I like to think that I'm fairly intelligent but this is one of the few issues that I genuinely don't know which way is best as both "ins" and "outs" seem to make fairly convincing arguments.

My personal preference would be to opt out of certain European aspects rather like David Cameron initially wanted but he didn't get what he wanted and I'm sure that I'm not the only genuine "don't know"

Then think of what the 28 will look like when it becomes 35 with the pipeline counties all on board. That's Turkey, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, Kosovo, Macedonia and Iceland.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Mar 16 9.23am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Voting: In

3 million UK jobs are connected to EU trade and 200,000 of our businesses too.

That's enough to sway me.

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The Director General of the BCC seems to think that Brexit would be economically beneficial, Michael.

He has been suspended by the establishment for saying this.

Interesting, eh?

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Mar 16 10.14am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

Alas new initiatives mean that teachers are being made to be ultra cautious as to 'miss' something puts their job on the line. I was told it was better to report something, however doubtful, otherwise the school would be in the proverbial. The buck stops at the head teacher

 

Sportyteacher Flag London 06 Mar 16 10.50am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

I think that all that shows is the utter stupidity of the teachers and police involved.

I think that the teachers involved should be suspended for bringing the profession into disrepute

The call of teachers bringing the profession into disrepute is far-fetched with the background of the issue needing explanation.

First of all, if you have an axe to grind, then perhaps tackle the DfE's interpretation of tackling radicalisation in schools and the subjective net that it presently covers. Schools currently work under a veil of fear by way of a constant shower of Govt directives that are usually poorly set out and left to the profession to interpret...but then judged by non-consistent levels of HMI scrutiny that have the power to ruin the careers of Senior Leaders & Teachers alike.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Mar 16 11.00am

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

The call of teachers bringing the profession into disrepute is far-fetched with the background of the issue needing explanation.

First of all, if you have an axe to grind, then perhaps tackle the DfE's interpretation of tackling radicalisation in schools and the subjective net that it presently covers. Schools currently work under a veil of fear by way of a constant shower of Govt directives that are usually poorly set out and left to the profession to interpret...but then judged by non-consistent levels of HMI scrutiny that have the power to ruin the careers of Senior Leaders & Teachers alike.

So I understand what you are saying. The teachers were protecting this child from the risk of radicalisation by UKIP?

 

legaleagle Flag 06 Mar 16 11.42am

Originally posted by matt_himself


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The Director General of the BCC seems to think that Brexit would be economically beneficial, Michael.

He has been suspended by the establishment for saying this.

Interesting, eh?

So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising.

Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" .

Interesting indeed,eh?

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Hoof Hearted 06 Mar 16 11.54am

Originally posted by legaleagle

So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising.

Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" .

Interesting indeed,eh?

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I'm a devout OUT/LEAVE campaigner, but on this issue legaleagle is quite right Matt.

He knew the BCC policy on neutrality yet expressed his viewpoint nevertheless.

I would hope though that he would have had the same treatment, ie dismissal, if he had spoken in favour of IN/STAY.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Mar 16 12.08pm

Originally posted by legaleagle

So,an organisation has an express policy of neutrality re the issue .Not surprising given likely to have members of varying viewpoints.A senior member of the organisation elects to deliberately ignore the organisation's policy,so is suspended.Again,hardly surprising.

Not clear how this could lead any reasonable observer (as opposed to a highly biased one) to suggest he was "suspended by the establishment for saying this" .

Interesting indeed,eh?

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The pedant gets the wrong end of the stick.

His view is interesting. A prominent member of the business community thinking we would have a brighter future outside the EU.

Notice you don't comment that, just some procedural stuff you think is important.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Mar 16 12.09pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I'm a devout OUT/LEAVE campaigner, but on this issue legaleagle is quite right Matt.

He knew the BCC policy on neutrality yet expressed his viewpoint nevertheless.

I would hope though that he would have had the same treatment, ie dismissal, if he had spoken in favour of IN/STAY.

I was talking about his view, not the rights or wrongs of whether he should voice it.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 06 Mar 16 1.05pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

I was talking about his view, not the rights or wrongs of whether he should voice it.

So why mention 'suspended by the establishment'?

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 06 Mar 16 1.11pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

So why mention 'suspended by the establishment'?

Trolling again.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 06 Mar 16 1.24pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Trolling again.

I admire your honesty.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 07 Mar 16 7.15am

More on John Longworth. What is interesting is his comments regarding negotiating trade agreements after Brexit:

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"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

chris123 Flag hove actually 07 Mar 16 8.14am

Originally posted by matt_himself

More on John Longworth. What is interesting is his comments regarding negotiating trade agreements after Brexit:

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I want to know what the experts from both sides think as individuals. Surely giving a view held in a private capacity shouldn't compromise the neutrality of Chambers of Commerce and the like.

 

Superfly Flag The sun always shines in Catford 07 Mar 16 9.49am

I think I'm marginally swaying towards OUT but it'll be IN.

Anyone who think the public gets a fair, honest and open input into things that impact on business profits hasn't been paying attention.

 


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