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dannyboy1978 Flag 08 Mar 19 10.00am

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I still don't get why Tommy Robinson is slated for highlighting this long before the authorities [Link]
Surely it's outr police, social services and government who are wrong not tommy robinson.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 08 Mar 19 10.12am

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I still don't get why Tommy Robinson is slated for highlighting this long before the authorities [Link]
Surely it's outr police, social services and government who are wrong not tommy robinson.


It's been shown that if you hold an opinion and someone else comes along and shows you it's wrong or misinformed....the reality is that it's rare that the majority will change that opinion, they are more likely to double down or find another excuse for holding the view.

People hold many of their opinions for emotional reasons, because the worldview is from how they were intellectually built.

The ability to evolve an opinion is a sign of intellectual maturity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 10.20am)

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 08 Mar 19 10.25am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


It's been shown that if you hold an opinion and someone else comes along and shows you it's wrong or misinformed....the reality is that it's rare that the majority will change that opinion, they are more likely to double down or find another excuse for holding the view.

People hold many of their opinions for emotional reasons, because the worldview is from how they were intellectually built.

The ability to evolve an opinion is a sign of intellectual maturity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 10.20am)

But there are opinions and facts?

 
Stirlingsays Flag 08 Mar 19 10.29am

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

But there are opinions and facts?

There are facts.....and then there are interpretations of those facts to fit a worldview.

In the cases where this is hard to do the facts are ignored or undermined in some way.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 10.30am)

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 08 Mar 19 10.41am

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I am not your mate

But I am sorry you didn’t sleep last night

At least you remembered to sign into the right account this time!

 
ChrisGC Flag Wantage 08 Mar 19 10.45am

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


It's been shown that if you hold an opinion and someone else comes along and shows you it's wrong or misinformed....the reality is that it's rare that the majority will change that opinion, they are more likely to double down or find another excuse for holding the view.

People hold many of their opinions for emotional reasons, because the worldview is from how they were intellectually built.

The ability to evolve an opinion is a sign of intellectual maturity.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 10.20am)

Excellently put. Once someone has taking a position emotionally they will totally reject any evidence to the contrary. It's easier to reject than to change, or god forbid, admit you were wrong. Everybody does it to varying degrees.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 08 Mar 19 11.11am

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

Excellently put. Once someone has taking a position emotionally they will totally reject any evidence to the contrary. It's easier to reject than to change, or god forbid, admit you were wrong. Everybody does it to varying degrees.

Yep, some people take it to such a level that it's almost an art form, like flat earthers.

There's also the reality that on many topics there isn't such a thing as 'right' or correct. It's more about the type of world you'd prefer to live in.....or more pointedly, think you'd prefer to live in....as in, be careful what you wish for.

 

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dannyboy1978 Flag 08 Mar 19 12.23pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There are facts.....and then there are interpretations of those facts to fit a worldview.

In the cases where this is hard to do the facts are ignored or undermined in some way.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 10.30am)

But you can't interprit these facts in other anyway so why is TR the bad guy in all this.
[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Mar 2019 12.24pm)

 
Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 08 Mar 19 12.24pm

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I still don't get why Tommy Robinson is slated for highlighting this long before the authorities [Link]
Surely it's outr police, social services and government who are wrong not tommy robinson.

Because ONE individual is showing them up for what they are – dangerously politically correct, authoritarian – and they don't like it. We must all do as we're told!

 
Stirlingsays Flag 08 Mar 19 12.30pm

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

But you can't interprit these facts in other anyway so why is TR the bad guy in all this.
[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (08 Mar 2019 12.24pm)

They just ignore what they don't want to address.

Robinson is reserved as the 'bogey man'. They just aren't interested in anything else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 12.32pm)

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 08 Mar 19 7.18pm

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think discussions between posters and mods should be strictly private......though I have no doubt that a reason would and should be given at the time if asked for.

I'm not arguing that we shouldn't be able to bring up cards on the forum because of course we should but I don't think a public review of cards is wise.

As we know mods are not paid, they take their own time out. I definitely support the system of being able to appeal to the mods and them reviewing and discussing but subjecting them to publicly having to debate....potentially every card on the forum would be a disincentive to being a mod.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Mar 2019 6.30pm)

I have changed my mind on this

Mods should not need to engage with someone that is carded. They don't have to justify themselves. They don't work alone so it is a considered decision with shared responsibility. There is no appeals process.

I have never seen a card where it wasn't obvious why it happened. You can argue whether the punishment always fits the crime but IMO the crime has always been clear. Sometimes it includes some totting up as well. Attacks on protected categories will always get a reaction, whether veiled or direct.

 
Stirlingsays Flag 08 Mar 19 7.30pm

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I have changed my mind on this

Mods should not need to engage with someone that is carded. They don't have to justify themselves. They don't work alone so it is a considered decision with shared responsibility. There is no appeals process.

I have never seen a card where it wasn't obvious why it happened. You can argue whether the punishment always fits the crime but IMO the crime has always been clear. Sometimes it includes some totting up as well. Attacks on protected categories will always get a reaction, whether veiled or direct.

As you know I'm not much for 'protected categories' myself but I agree.....though I think a private message, if requested, is purely professional.

There will be decisions we might disagree with but at the end of the day this isn't life or death and perfect consensus isn't a requirement.

As long as people know where they are then that's surely enough on a private forum.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Mar 2019 7.50pm)

 

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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 08 Mar 19 7.51pm

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I have changed my mind on this

Mods should not need to engage with someone that is carded. They don't have to justify themselves. They don't work alone so it is a considered decision with shared responsibility. There is no appeals process.

I have never seen a card where it wasn't obvious why it happened. You can argue whether the punishment always fits the crime but IMO the crime has always been clear. Sometimes it includes some totting up as well. Attacks on protected categories will always get a reaction, whether veiled or direct.

We all know what this is code for....

"Ooooh card coming out of the Midland's"

Everybody sees it for what it is pal.

 
Mapletree Flag Croydon 09 Mar 19 12.07am

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

We all know what this is code for....

"Ooooh card coming out of the Midland's"

Everybody sees it for what it is pal.

I am not your pal

You complained you didn’t know why you got a yellow. You must be the only person on the HOL who can’t work that out

They are always predictable. Some people draw them on purpose. Others just can’t help themselves. And some appear to join simply to cause upset, generally having been blocked from other sites.

 
ChrisGC Flag Wantage 09 Mar 19 5.59am

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I am not your pal

You complained you didn’t know why you got a yellow. You must be the only person on the HOL who can’t work that out

They are always predictable. Some people draw them on purpose. Others just can’t help themselves. And some appear to join simply to cause upset, generally having been blocked from other sites.

Care to enlighten me then?

 
dannyboy1978 Flag 10 Mar 19 5.52pm

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Funny how the bbc arnt reporting this!!
[Link]

 
W12 10 Mar 19 7.47pm

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Penny dropped with me today on this latest move.

This is clearly a cabinet decision and they are looking to put him away so he can’t form a focal point of the Brexit March on the 28th when we won’t be leaving the EU.

 
dannyboy1978 Flag 10 Mar 19 8.27pm

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Originally posted by W12

Penny dropped with me today on this latest move.

This is clearly a cabinet decision and they are looking to put him away so he can’t form a focal point of the Brexit March on the 28th when we won’t be leaving the EU.

I think farage will be the main focal point but I get what you mean

 
DANGERCLOSE Flag London 11 Mar 19 10.23am

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Could tommy Robinson be about to take down the BBC?
[Link]

Great vid

 
W12 11 Mar 19 9.22pm

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Please, please, please can everyone get a GAB account and the Dissenter browser extension. Alllows you to comment on any article (including those with comments disabled) even the brilliant and impartial BBCLGBTQ....

It’s brilliant as you can emmediately see what the general public think of the BBC articles, Hope Not Hate, Gaurdian etc

 
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