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 davidpercival  Croydon 24 Sep 16 12.16pm |
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Yes, he has won again and with an increased majority despite over 100, 000 members being excluded form the votes, most of whom would probably have backed him. So far he has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because the Blairite MPs have been plotting against him since he was first elected. They will not be happy now but they should at least accept that they have got to give him a fair chance. When the public actually get to understand his policies (on opposing grammar schools for example)the polls will improve. If we can mobilise the nearly 700,000 member4s we have got we will be able to give the Tories a run for their money.
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| banbandanas Birmingham 24 Sep 16 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
Yes, he has won again and with an increased majority despite over 100, 000 members being excluded form the votes, most of whom would probably have backed him. So far he has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because the Blairite MPs have been plotting against him since he was first elected. They will not be happy now but they should at least accept that they have got to give him a fair chance. When the public actually get to understand his policies (on opposing grammar schools for example)the polls will improve. If we can mobilise the nearly 700,000 member4s we have got we will be able to give the Tories a run for their money. Surely the "Blairite MPS" will all be de-selected by their local party tribunals in the Great Purge that will now commence?
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| Hrolf The Ganger 24 Sep 16 12.46pm |
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So Jeremy has won again.Nice. Meanwhile back in the real world..........
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Sep 16 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
Yes, he has won again and with an increased majority despite over 100, 000 members being excluded form the votes, most of whom would probably have backed him. So far he has been fighting with one hand tied behind his back because the Blairite MPs have been plotting against him since he was first elected. They will not be happy now but they should at least accept that they have got to give him a fair chance. When the public actually get to understand his policies (on opposing grammar schools for example)the polls will improve. If we can mobilise the nearly 700,000 member4s we have got we will be able to give the Tories a run for their money. Not a snowflake in hades chance whilst Corbyn is leader. Labour are now further from power than any time in their history. Edited by Willo (24 Sep 2016 1.05pm)
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| matt_himself Matataland 24 Sep 16 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by banbandanas
Surely the "Blairite MPS" will all be de-selected by their local party tribunals in the Great Purge that will now commence? I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'. They are part of a centre left tradition within the party.
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| banbandanas Birmingham 24 Sep 16 1.20pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'. They are part of a centre left tradition within the party. I know, I agree with you Matt. I was just using the term used by DavidPercival, who lumped together all critics of Corbyn as 'Blairite'.
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leifandersonshair  Newport 24 Sep 16 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'. They are part of a centre left tradition within the party. Spot on. Corbyn's (and Labour's) best chance might be to settle somewhere between Watson and Corbyn on the left. In theory, a hard left leadership, restrained by the PLP to a more moderate left position, could be an electoral winner. Or a disaster. Depends where another 3 and a half years of Tory rule puts us! More austerity and cuts plus wherever the economy is once Brexit really kicks in might send voters scurrying away from the Tories, especially if the 'kick the establishment' feeling continues. The question is, can Labour draw them in, or will UKIP, or even the Lib Dems, seem a more attractive proposition for those voters who sit firmly in the centre ground of the political spectrum?
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| banbandanas Birmingham 24 Sep 16 8.11pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
“increasing children’s involvement in Momentum and the labour movement by promoting political activity that is fun, engaging and child-friendly” I am surprised that a liberal thinker sees nothing to be concerned about Will the tiny trots be given top marxs?
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Sep 16 8.16pm |
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I still fail to see how looking for a fairer society is hard left? Does Corbyn want state control of everything? No. Is he asking for the end of capitalism? No. Corbyn (to my mind) represent democratic socialism Edited by nickgusset (24 Sep 2016 8.17pm)
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| banbandanas Birmingham 24 Sep 16 8.36pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
I still fail to see how looking for a fairer society is hard left? Does Corbyn want state control of everything? No. Is he asking for the end of capitalism? No. Corbyn (to my mind) represent democratic socialism Edited by nickgusset (24 Sep 2016 8.17pm) Does his mate, Andrew Murray, tipped to be the next General Secretary of the Labour Party, want state control of everything and would he like to see an end of Capitalism? After all he is a member of the Communist Party of Britain. To your mind, is he a representative of 'democratic socialism'?
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| davidpercival Croydon 24 Sep 16 9.47pm |
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I didn't say all the MPs were Blairites. I said the Blairites never accepted Corbyn's victory and plotted against him. Unfortunately, Some others who are not Blairites got dragged into that (e.g. H Benn) Originally posted by matt_himself
I don't think the likes of Tom Watson or Hilary Benn are 'Blairites'. They are part of a centre left tradition within the party.
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| Thegamesafoot Somewhere but Nowhere 24 Sep 16 9.54pm |
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Last night BBC 4 had a bandana wearing Kieth Richards night. Although they allowed him to air his views, I don't believe the BBC then made everyone wear bandanas as a matter of policy.
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