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matt_himself Matataland 06 Jul 17 5.24am
What will be interesting is whether Corbyn can hold the party together. The Tories have a history of discipline whereas Labour, apart from most of the Blair years, enjoy a good civil war. He will need to compromise with those from the traditional wing of Labour if he is to have a chance for power. Doing better than expected in an election will only do him well for a limited period of time. He will also need to curb the activities of some of his more excitable supporters. A lot of their activities activity prevent people from voting for him. Now is the time when he will prove whether he is a serious contender and that entails doing more than simply 'demanding' Theresa May resigns on a weekly basis. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 06 Jul 17 5.24am

What will be interesting is whether Corbyn can hold the party together. The Tories have a history of discipline whereas Labour, apart from most of the Blair years, enjoy a good civil war.

He will need to compromise with those from the traditional wing of Labour if he is to have a chance for power. Doing better than expected in an election will only do him well for a limited period of time. He will also need to curb the activities of some of his more excitable supporters. A lot of their activities activity prevent people from voting for him.

Now is the time when he will prove whether he is a serious contender and that entails doing more than simply 'demanding' Theresa May resigns on a weekly basis.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 17 8.21am
Originally posted by matt_himself What will be interesting is whether Corbyn can hold the party together. The Tories have a history of discipline whereas Labour, apart from most of the Blair years, enjoy a good civil war. He will need to compromise with those from the traditional wing of Labour if he is to have a chance for power. Doing better than expected in an election will only do him well for a limited period of time. He will also need to curb the activities of some of his more excitable supporters. A lot of their activities activity prevent people from voting for him. Now is the time when he will prove whether he is a serious contender and that entails doing more than simply 'demanding' Theresa May resigns on a weekly basis. The Tories seem to be stealing a few of Labour's ideas of late.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 06 Jul 17 8.21am

Originally posted by matt_himself

What will be interesting is whether Corbyn can hold the party together. The Tories have a history of discipline whereas Labour, apart from most of the Blair years, enjoy a good civil war.

Now is the time when he will prove whether he is a serious contender and that entails doing more than simply 'demanding' Theresa May resigns on a weekly basis.

The Tories seem to be stealing a few of Labour's ideas of late.

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 17 8.32am
Originally posted by nickgusset The Tories seem to be stealing a few of Labour's ideas of late. A shame Glasto isn't on next year. I could see Boris and Rees-Mogg forming a duo.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jul 17 8.32am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The Tories seem to be stealing a few of Labour's ideas of late.

A shame Glasto isn't on next year. I could see Boris and Rees-Mogg forming a duo.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.34am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger A shame Glasto isn't on next year. I could see Boris and Rees-Mogg forming a duo. Yes Boris and Jacob in a duo called the "BJs".

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 06 Jul 17 8.34am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A shame Glasto isn't on next year. I could see Boris and Rees-Mogg forming a duo.

Yes Boris and Jacob in a duo called the "BJs".

Hrolf The Ganger 06 Jul 17 8.47am
Originally posted by Willo Yes Boris and Jacob in a duo called the "BJs". That sucks.

Hrolf The Ganger

06 Jul 17 8.47am

Originally posted by Willo

Yes Boris and Jacob in a duo called the "BJs".

That sucks.

matt_himself Matataland 09 Jul 17 8.16pm
Absolute madness: [Link] The hubris from Team Corbyn emanating from being the beneficiaries of a protest vote against May & he collapse of the UKIP vote, will result in barking mad 'policies' such as this and will reinforce the message they are unelectionable. They have reached the ends of securing more vote through the young and in order to win the seats they need to secure a GE victory, they need to appeal to Middle England. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 09 Jul 17 8.16pm

Absolute madness:

[Link]

The hubris from Team Corbyn emanating from being the beneficiaries of a protest vote against May & he collapse of the UKIP vote, will result in barking mad 'policies' such as this and will reinforce the message they are unelectionable.

They have reached the ends of securing more vote through the young and in order to win the seats they need to secure a GE victory, they need to appeal to Middle England.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Hrolf The Ganger 09 Jul 17 8.20pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Absolute madness: [Link] The hubris from Team Corbyn emanating from being the beneficiaries of a protest vote against May & he collapse of the UKIP vote, will result in barking mad 'policies' such as this and will reinforce the message they are unelectionable. They have reached the ends of securing more vote through the young and in order to win the seats they need to secure a GE victory, they need to appeal to Middle England. In other news, Labour promise to bring about world peace and cure all disease.

Hrolf The Ganger

09 Jul 17 8.20pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Absolute madness:

[Link]

They have reached the ends of securing more vote through the young and in order to win the seats they need to secure a GE victory, they need to appeal to Middle England.

In other news, Labour promise to bring about world peace and cure all disease.

jeeagles 09 Jul 17 11.39pm
Whilst I generally disagree with student loans I realise that I entered into a contract in return for tuition and I have to pay it back. I did a sensible degree from a half decent university. It's helped me with my career and earning potential, and by the end of the year I should have paid it off. Corbyn needs to realize that one of the problems with the youth vote is that people don't stay young for very long. £27,000 could pay for an extra police officer, nurse, of fire fighter - which would benefit the many. Or it could give a handout to someone to study ancient dance at the university of West Bromwich. I've also noted there's lots of talk in Labour about deselect candidates who don't obay the whip. It's a bit rich given that Corbyn was the most rebellious labour voter of all time.

jeeagles

09 Jul 17 11.39pm

Whilst I generally disagree with student loans I realise that I entered into a contract in return for tuition and I have to pay it back. I did a sensible degree from a half decent university. It's helped me with my career and earning potential, and by the end of the year I should have paid it off. Corbyn needs to realize that one of the problems with the youth vote is that people don't stay young for very long.

£27,000 could pay for an extra police officer, nurse, of fire fighter - which would benefit the many. Or it could give a handout to someone to study ancient dance at the university of West Bromwich.

I've also noted there's lots of talk in Labour about deselect candidates who don't obay the whip. It's a bit rich given that Corbyn was the most rebellious labour voter of all time.

Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 17 8.35am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger In other news, Labour promise to bring about world peace and cure all disease. At least Corbyn wants peace. "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

Brentmiester_General

Front line in the battle against t... 10 Jul 17 8.35am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

In other news, Labour promise to bring about world peace and cure all disease.

At least Corbyn wants peace.

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

Hrolf The Ganger 10 Jul 17 11.51am
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General At least Corbyn wants peace. Yes, well no 'just passing through' politician is ever going to manage that I'm afraid. Corbyn relies on the idealistic and gullible for votes

Hrolf The Ganger

10 Jul 17 11.51am

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

At least Corbyn wants peace.

Yes, well no 'just passing through' politician is ever going to manage that I'm afraid.

Corbyn relies on the idealistic and gullible for votes

matt_himself Matataland 17 Jul 17 4.48pm
Labour u-turn on Tuition Fees: [Link] Wiping out tuition fee debt is now an 'ambition', as opposed to policy pre-election. Straight talking, honest politics, people! "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Jul 17 4.48pm

Labour u-turn on Tuition Fees:

[Link]

Wiping out tuition fee debt is now an 'ambition', as opposed to policy pre-election.

Straight talking, honest politics, people!

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 17 5.06pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Labour u-turn on Tuition Fees: [Link] Wiping out tuition fee debt is now an 'ambition', as opposed to policy pre-election. Straight talking, honest politics, people! They should be honest and say it will require tax rises and new tax revenue, and start small, by abolishing fees, and then working on reducing student debt (possibly by making it a tax deductible added to the tax allowance). Abolishing the debt in one huge jump is going to cause problems. I think its a decent ambition to aim for, as opposed to the opposition party which has saddled students with massive debts. Which really was just a rationalisation of the introduction of student loans over student grants. Which really was all about how the Conservative government tax cuts and 'reform of education'. Higher Education has become a business in the UK, that is all about provision of graduates for corporate interests and University profits, and that is going to be a consequence that haunts this country in the future culturally. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 17 Jul 17 5.06pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Labour u-turn on Tuition Fees:

[Link]

Wiping out tuition fee debt is now an 'ambition', as opposed to policy pre-election.

Straight talking, honest politics, people!

They should be honest and say it will require tax rises and new tax revenue, and start small, by abolishing fees, and then working on reducing student debt (possibly by making it a tax deductible added to the tax allowance). Abolishing the debt in one huge jump is going to cause problems.

I think its a decent ambition to aim for, as opposed to the opposition party which has saddled students with massive debts. Which really was just a rationalisation of the introduction of student loans over student grants.

Which really was all about how the Conservative government tax cuts and 'reform of education'.

Higher Education has become a business in the UK, that is all about provision of graduates for corporate interests and University profits, and that is going to be a consequence that haunts this country in the future culturally.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

hedgehog50 Croydon 17 Jul 17 5.09pm
Originally posted by Brentmiester_General At least Corbyn wants peace. Bit like John Lennon really, all he is saying is give peace a chance while hobnobbing with the IRA and other terrorists. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

hedgehog50

Croydon 17 Jul 17 5.09pm

Originally posted by Brentmiester_General

At least Corbyn wants peace.

Bit like John Lennon really, all he is saying is give peace a chance while hobnobbing with the IRA and other terrorists.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Jul 17 5.10pm
Originally posted by matt_himself What will be interesting is whether Corbyn can hold the party together. The Tories have a history of discipline whereas Labour, apart from most of the Blair years, enjoy a good civil war. He will need to compromise with those from the traditional wing of Labour if he is to have a chance for power. Doing better than expected in an election will only do him well for a limited period of time. He will also need to curb the activities of some of his more excitable supporters. A lot of their activities activity prevent people from voting for him. Now is the time when he will prove whether he is a serious contender and that entails doing more than simply 'demanding' Theresa May resigns on a weekly basis. The Conservatives seem to be in a civil war mode at the moment. Oddly their leader is popular with the party, where as Labours isn't, but paradoxically their view with the public seems reversed. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 17 Jul 17 5.10pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

What will be interesting is whether Corbyn can hold the party together. The Tories have a history of discipline whereas Labour, apart from most of the Blair years, enjoy a good civil war.

Now is the time when he will prove whether he is a serious contender and that entails doing more than simply 'demanding' Theresa May resigns on a weekly basis.

The Conservatives seem to be in a civil war mode at the moment. Oddly their leader is popular with the party, where as Labours isn't, but paradoxically their view with the public seems reversed.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

matt_himself Matataland 17 Jul 17 5.11pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 They should be honest and say it will require tax rises and new tax revenue, and start small, by abolishing fees, and then working on reducing student debt (possibly by making it a tax deductible added to the tax allowance). Abolishing the debt in one huge jump is going to cause problems. I think its a decent ambition to aim for, as opposed to the opposition party which has saddled students with massive debts. Which really was just a rationalisation of the introduction of student loans over student grants. Which really was all about how the Conservative government tax cuts and 'reform of education'. Higher Education has become a business in the UK, that is all about provision of graduates for corporate interests and University profits, and that is going to be a consequence that haunts this country in the future culturally. There is a bigger issue here and that is now Labour are flipping promises made before the election and apparently highlighting that their policies were uncosted. Also, there is an argument that 'free' higher education would effectively be a middle class benefit and would squeeze further education spending and further education is comprised of far more working class people than higher education ever will be. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

matt_himself

Matataland 17 Jul 17 5.11pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which really was all about how the Conservative government tax cuts and 'reform of education'.

There is a bigger issue here and that is now Labour are flipping promises made before the election and apparently highlighting that their policies were uncosted.

Also, there is an argument that 'free' higher education would effectively be a middle class benefit and would squeeze further education spending and further education is comprised of far more working class people than higher education ever will be.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Scucca Ely 17 Jul 17 5.26pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Labour u-turn on Tuition Fees: [Link] Wiping out tuition fee debt is now an 'ambition', as opposed to policy pre-election. Straight talking, honest politics, people! Yes, well they realised that someone couldn't add up. Turns out their 'fully costed' figure of £12.2b is actually £100b. No wonder it's now just an ambition. I wonder who did the initial maths? Um, no, it couldn't be ... could it?

Scucca

Ely 17 Jul 17 5.26pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Labour u-turn on Tuition Fees:

[Link]

Wiping out tuition fee debt is now an 'ambition', as opposed to policy pre-election.

Straight talking, honest politics, people!

Yes, well they realised that someone couldn't add up. Turns out their 'fully costed' figure of £12.2b is actually £100b. No wonder it's now just an ambition. I wonder who did the initial maths? Um, no, it couldn't be ... could it?

elgrande bedford 17 Jul 17 5.44pm
Originally posted by Scucca Yes, well they realised that someone couldn't add up. Turns out their 'fully costed' figure of £12.2b is actually £100b. No wonder it's now just an ambition. I wonder who did the initial maths? Um, no, it couldn't be ... could it? always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

elgrande

bedford 17 Jul 17 5.44pm

Originally posted by Scucca

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 17 5.52pm
Originally posted by Scucca Yes, well they realised that someone couldn't add up. Turns out their 'fully costed' figure of £12.2b is actually £100b. No wonder it's now just an ambition. I wonder who did the initial maths? Um, no, it couldn't be ... could it? Maybe, in the light of the above, Labour will need to scrap this idea as well and reduce it to an "Ambition" :: Target of “eliminating the Government's deficit on day-to-day spending within five years”

Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 17 Jul 17 5.52pm

Originally posted by Scucca

Maybe, in the light of the above, Labour will need to scrap this idea as well and reduce it to an "Ambition"

:: Target of “eliminating the Government's deficit on day-to-day spending within five years”

steeleye20 Croydon 18 Jul 17 3.52pm
Jeremy on your bike!! Labour voters are predominately remainers and it is splitting the labour party. This probably reflects the country too. Oppositions should oppose labour could be in gov ernment but they neglected 49% of the people.

steeleye20

Croydon 18 Jul 17 3.52pm

Jeremy on your bike!!

Labour voters are predominately remainers and it is splitting the labour party.

This probably reflects the country too.

Oppositions should oppose labour could be in gov ernment but they neglected 49% of the people.

pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jul 17 4.16pm
Originally posted by Scucca Yes, well they realised that someone couldn't add up. Turns out their 'fully costed' figure of £12.2b is actually £100b. No wonder it's now just an ambition. I wonder who did the initial maths? Um, no, it couldn't be ... could it? You don't mean Matt? He could not count to 22 without taking his shoes off. "Everything is air-droppable at least once." "When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin

Where you have to have an English ... 18 Jul 17 4.16pm

Originally posted by Scucca

You don't mean Matt? He could not count to 22 without taking his shoes off.

"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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