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carlonoil Flag Naples 23 Oct 16 4.25pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Would losing access to the EU market, higher prices for foodstuffs, higher inflation, higher unemployment, tens of billions lost in tax revenues, having less security, more pollution in our seas and rivers, and one or two other negative things that will almost certainly happen in the years after Brexit, perhaps make you question the wisdom of your choice to Leave?

We would access the EU market in the same way that most other non-EU countries do. Higher prices for foodstuffs? We can trade with non-EU food producers who currently have massive tariffs imposed on them, which by the way are bankrupting African farmers. High unemployment? You mean like Greece's 24% and Spain's 20% and the EU average of 10% compared to our 5%? We intend to pollute the seas and rivers do we - why would we do that? We will certainly start to replenish our fish stocks that have been decimated by EU fishing 'policy'.

 

.TUX. Flag 23 Oct 16 4.37pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Would losing access to the EU market, higher prices for foodstuffs, higher inflation, higher unemployment, tens of billions lost in tax revenues, having less security, more pollution in our seas and rivers, and one or two other negative things that will almost certainly happen in the years after Brexit, perhaps make you question the wisdom of your choice to Leave?

These will happen regardless and has very little to do with Brexit and more to do with the general economic state we find ourselves in, tbf.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 23 Oct 16 4.41pm

Originally posted by carlonoil

We would access the EU market in the same way that most other non-EU countries do. Higher prices for foodstuffs? We can trade with non-EU food producers who currently have massive tariffs imposed on them, which by the way are bankrupting African farmers. High unemployment? You mean like Greece's 24% and Spain's 20% and the EU average of 10% compared to our 5%? We intend to pollute the seas and rivers do we - why would we do that? We will certainly start to replenish our fish stocks that have been decimated by EU fishing 'policy'.

The Environment Agency relies on EU cash, and they have done fantastic work with it in tandem with EU directives for cleaner rivers and seas.

The North Sea has much better fish stocks now

than at the end of the era when trawlers could take what they liked and how much they liked. The discard policy was extremely wasteful but has, I believe, been rectified.

I said 'higher unemployment' for the UK. You still didn't answer if you would think that as acceptable with a Brexit.

You speak from the hard heart. Not the head.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 23 Oct 16 4.51pm

Originally posted by .TUX.

These will happen regardless and has very little to do with Brexit and more to do with the general economic state we find ourselves in, tbf.


Well that begs the question then of what on earth are we doing making ourselves economically weaker and more vulnerable if that major sh1t is going to hit the fan anyway?

 


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carlonoil Flag Naples 23 Oct 16 5.07pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The Environment Agency relies on EU cash, and they have done fantastic work with it in tandem with EU directives for cleaner rivers and seas.

The North Sea has much better fish stocks now

than at the end of the era when trawlers could take what they liked and how much they liked. The discard policy was extremely wasteful but has, I believe, been rectified.

I said 'higher unemployment' for the UK. You still didn't answer if you would think that as acceptable with a Brexit.

You speak from the hard heart. Not the head.

The EU fishing policy has been an unmitigated disaster for what was once a thriving British industry.
If we stayed in the EU unemployment rates would rise as the EU continues its descent into economic and social chaos.
I would certainly tolerate a great deal more cost to regain control of our country as in the longer term we would resolve short term problems. Staying in the EU would be like staying on the Titanic.
As for head v heart, I would say Remainers need to have their heads looked at.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Oct 16 5.35pm

All the bad things remain warned us of are unravelling and this is before brexit happens.

Todays bonuses are the financial sector parts of moving to Europe early next year, food prices due to the weak pound due to brexit I noticed in Tesco marked up generally, a few more foreign workers bashed by us for existing in our once proud nation now known for hate crimes.

There are more things than the price of fish (gone up too).

 

.TUX. Flag 23 Oct 16 5.52pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


Well that begs the question then of what on earth are we doing making ourselves economically weaker and more vulnerable if that major sh1t is going to hit the fan anyway?

The Brexit result doesn't really make that much of a difference in the grand scheme of things as Europe is also majorly f-cked.
Apart from splitting the nation (divide and rule?), pretty much the only thing the referendum result has done is given the powers that be a more than decent 'excuse' (to the masses) for when our economy collapses, as opposed to the p-ss-poor economic policies that we've all been put through for many years now taking the (rightful) blame.
It's a win-win for them.




 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Oct 16 6.11pm

Whatever you voted for in the referendum win or lose you got the Tories.

Nuff said

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 23 Oct 16 6.27pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Whatever you voted for in the referendum win or lose you got the Tories.

Nuff said


Not sure what you expected bearing in mind it was in their manifesto.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 23 Oct 16 6.43pm

I did not expect senior remain tories upon losing to appoint themselves in charge of enforcing the result not in their favour.

Doesn't that show their complete lack of integrity?


 

chris123 Flag hove actually 23 Oct 16 6.56pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I did not expect senior remain tories upon losing to appoint themselves in charge of enforcing the result not in their favour.

Doesn't that show their complete lack of integrity?


The PM made the appointments.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 16 10.20am

exactly

 

Hoof Hearted 24 Oct 16 10.30am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I did not expect senior remain tories upon losing to appoint themselves in charge of enforcing the result not in their favour.

Doesn't that show their complete lack of integrity?


It actually shows their faith and support of democracy to carry out the will of the majority of people, even though it does not accord with their personal wishes.

Some of you lefties could learn from that.

 

Hoof Hearted 24 Oct 16 10.40am

Originally posted by steeleye20

All the bad things remain warned us of are unravelling and this is before brexit happens.

Todays bonuses are the financial sector parts of moving to Europe early next year, food prices due to the weak pound due to brexit I noticed in Tesco marked up generally, a few more foreign workers bashed by us for existing in our once proud nation now known for hate crimes.

There are more things than the price of fish (gone up too).

The Remain camp's warnings were that we would be in economic meltdown by now.

They correctly forecast the devaluation of the £, but forgot about the upside of that event helping our exports.

Initially the stockmarket fell, but only for a few days and has now recovered and nearly at an all time high.

Sh1t stirrers like you will seize on any opportunity to bang your drum about the Tories, The Brexiteers, Capitalism, etc... anything your miserable lives detest in your world of communist inspired unworkable heaven.

Go on a march or something with a witty placard like "Tories Out".

 

Hoof Hearted 24 Oct 16 10.46am

By the way thank you TUX for bringing a bit of sanity to this "debate".

FFS you lefties are like a load of girlies with wet hair in a power cut - "ooooh my hair drier won't work.... what will we do?"

 

Stirlingsays Flag 24 Oct 16 10.48am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I did not expect senior remain tories upon losing to appoint themselves in charge of enforcing the result not in their favour.

Doesn't that show their complete lack of integrity?


So you think it is integrity not to serve your country.

Also not all remainers voted remain for the same reasons nor had the same intensity. I know a few remainers who voted remain but had little enthusiasm for the EU.

It isn't for an observer to judge a person on integrity without knowing the actual person.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 24 Oct 16 11.02am

I think you will find that the publics perception of politicians has reached a new low after the advisory referendum I heard the conservative head of the treasury committee say that.

The conservative party do not serve the country IMO they serve themselves I don't feel left wing in stating that.


 

Hoof Hearted 24 Oct 16 11.22am

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think you will find that the publics perception of politicians has reached a new low after the advisory referendum I heard the conservative head of the treasury committee say that.

The conservative party do not serve the country IMO they serve themselves I don't feel left wing in stating that.


Well... thanks for sharing that with us... we now know where you stand.

On the contrary, people like Corbyn, Abbott and McDonell would not serve the country either by way of incompetence.

The country would be bankrupt again in record time if this ship of fools ever got into power.

I don't feel right wing stating that either.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Oct 16 11.43am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The Remain camp's warnings were that we would be in economic meltdown by now.

They correctly forecast the devaluation of the £, but forgot about the upside of that event helping our exports.

Initially the stockmarket fell, but only for a few days and has now recovered and nearly at an all time high.

Sh1t stirrers like you will seize on any opportunity to bang your drum about the Tories, The Brexiteers, Capitalism, etc... anything your miserable lives detest in your world of communist inspired unworkable heaven.

Go on a march or something with a witty placard like "Tories Out".

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Oct 16 1.35pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It actually shows their faith and support of democracy to carry out the will of the majority of people, even though it does not accord with their personal wishes.

Some of you lefties could learn from that.

Faith or support of democracy, to carry through their plan for Brexit, irrespective of what the will or majority of the people want it to mean.

Which is odd, because all I keep hearing is how Labour are completely unelectable. So the Tories would apparently be a shoe in.

 


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