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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 11.06am

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Jeremy Corbyn is evil...

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 27 Aug 15 6.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.53am

Letter in the Jewish Chronicle:
Dear Letters Editor
As Jewish constituents of Jeremy Corbyn for nearly two decades we have met him many times, both through his day-to-day work supporting people in his constituency, and through his wider campaigning work, especially in support of migrants and refugees and against racism, fascism and war.
Those who know him personally cannot take seriously the campaign of smears, wild distortions and innuendo against him, through which newspapers such as the Jewish Chronicle, Daily Mail and Sunday Express are trying to paint him as an antisemite or a friend of antisemites.
Memories are depressingly short. In 2013, the Daily Mail, which regularly publishes lurid scare stories about migrants and refugees, tried to undermine the previous Labour Leader, Ed Miliband, in the minds of anti-immigrant readers, by reminding them that Miliband’s father was an East European refugee. Furthermore, it claimed that Miliband senior was disloyal and insufficiently grateful to Britain. In the late 1930s, when Miliband’s family were desperately trying to escape from Nazism, it was the Sunday Express which complained in an editorial “…just now there is a big influx of foreign Jews into Britain. They are over-running the country.”
Last weekend we stood outside Yarl’s Wood Immigration Detention Centre protesting the inhuman treatment of women detained there. Jeremy Corbyn was the only leadership candidate to send a message of support.
His real crime, of course, in the eyes of the Jewish Chronicle, is that he has been a longstanding supporter of justice for the Palestinians and a negotiated peace based on an end to the occupation.
But as he said in the JW3 hustings recently: “Does questioning the behaviour of the Israeli state towards Palestinians lead to antisemitism? No, it mustn’t and shouldn’t … Whether it’s a synagogue or a mosque under attack we must all come together … as one in confronting it.”
We are proud that our MP has stood for the Labour leadership on a platform of challenging austerity, enhancing democracy, combating racism and giving support and hope to the most vulnerable members of society.
David Rosenberg and Julia Bard


And I raise you...

[Link]

....comments from a member of his own party seemingly saying he associates and promotes people who are 'homophobic and racist'.

Hmm...


I don't want to be accused of badgering you, so will say that this avenue is closed because obviously, Corbyn absolutely does not associate himself with homophobes or racists.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 6.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 6.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.53am

Letter in the Jewish Chronicle:
Dear Letters Editor
As Jewish constituents of Jeremy Corbyn for nearly two decades we have met him many times, both through his day-to-day work supporting people in his constituency, and through his wider campaigning work, especially in support of migrants and refugees and against racism, fascism and war.
Those who know him personally cannot take seriously the campaign of smears, wild distortions and innuendo against him, through which newspapers such as the Jewish Chronicle, Daily Mail and Sunday Express are trying to paint him as an antisemite or a friend of antisemites.
Memories are depressingly short. In 2013, the Daily Mail, which regularly publishes lurid scare stories about migrants and refugees, tried to undermine the previous Labour Leader, Ed Miliband, in the minds of anti-immigrant readers, by reminding them that Miliband’s father was an East European refugee. Furthermore, it claimed that Miliband senior was disloyal and insufficiently grateful to Britain. In the late 1930s, when Miliband’s family were desperately trying to escape from Nazism, it was the Sunday Express which complained in an editorial “…just now there is a big influx of foreign Jews into Britain. They are over-running the country.”
Last weekend we stood outside Yarl’s Wood Immigration Detention Centre protesting the inhuman treatment of women detained there. Jeremy Corbyn was the only leadership candidate to send a message of support.
His real crime, of course, in the eyes of the Jewish Chronicle, is that he has been a longstanding supporter of justice for the Palestinians and a negotiated peace based on an end to the occupation.
But as he said in the JW3 hustings recently: “Does questioning the behaviour of the Israeli state towards Palestinians lead to antisemitism? No, it mustn’t and shouldn’t … Whether it’s a synagogue or a mosque under attack we must all come together … as one in confronting it.”
We are proud that our MP has stood for the Labour leadership on a platform of challenging austerity, enhancing democracy, combating racism and giving support and hope to the most vulnerable members of society.
David Rosenberg and Julia Bard


And I raise you...

[Link]

....comments from a member of his own party seemingly saying he associates and promotes people who are 'homophobic and racist'.

Hmm...


I don't want to be accused of badgering you, so will say that this avenue is closed because obviously, Corbyn absolutely does not associate himself with homophobes or racists.


Of course a rival in the leadership race will try and besmirch him. Politics innit.

Most of the slurs against Corbyn have been half truths. One only needs to look at the whole what he said about discussing women only train carriages compared to what was reported.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 27 Aug 15 10.44pm

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 6.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 6.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.53am

Letter in the Jewish Chronicle:
Dear Letters Editor
As Jewish constituents of Jeremy Corbyn for nearly two decades we have met him many times, both through his day-to-day work supporting people in his constituency, and through his wider campaigning work, especially in support of migrants and refugees and against racism, fascism and war.
Those who know him personally cannot take seriously the campaign of smears, wild distortions and innuendo against him, through which newspapers such as the Jewish Chronicle, Daily Mail and Sunday Express are trying to paint him as an antisemite or a friend of antisemites.
Memories are depressingly short. In 2013, the Daily Mail, which regularly publishes lurid scare stories about migrants and refugees, tried to undermine the previous Labour Leader, Ed Miliband, in the minds of anti-immigrant readers, by reminding them that Miliband’s father was an East European refugee. Furthermore, it claimed that Miliband senior was disloyal and insufficiently grateful to Britain. In the late 1930s, when Miliband’s family were desperately trying to escape from Nazism, it was the Sunday Express which complained in an editorial “…just now there is a big influx of foreign Jews into Britain. They are over-running the country.”
Last weekend we stood outside Yarl’s Wood Immigration Detention Centre protesting the inhuman treatment of women detained there. Jeremy Corbyn was the only leadership candidate to send a message of support.
His real crime, of course, in the eyes of the Jewish Chronicle, is that he has been a longstanding supporter of justice for the Palestinians and a negotiated peace based on an end to the occupation.
But as he said in the JW3 hustings recently: “Does questioning the behaviour of the Israeli state towards Palestinians lead to antisemitism? No, it mustn’t and shouldn’t … Whether it’s a synagogue or a mosque under attack we must all come together … as one in confronting it.”
We are proud that our MP has stood for the Labour leadership on a platform of challenging austerity, enhancing democracy, combating racism and giving support and hope to the most vulnerable members of society.
David Rosenberg and Julia Bard


And I raise you...

[Link]

....comments from a member of his own party seemingly saying he associates and promotes people who are 'homophobic and racist'.

Hmm...


I don't want to be accused of badgering you, so will say that this avenue is closed because obviously, Corbyn absolutely does not associate himself with homophobes or racists.


Of course a rival in the leadership race will try and besmirch him. Politics innit.

Most of the slurs against Corbyn have been half truths. One only needs to look at the whole what he said about discussing women only train carriages compared to what was reported.


Tell me, what do you think about him giving a platform to homophobes, misogynists and anti Semites? I know it is about 'fair hearing' but you must be a bit uncomfortable about it.

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 27 Aug 15 10.57pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.44pm

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 6.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 6.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.53am

Letter in the Jewish Chronicle:
Dear Letters Editor
As Jewish constituents of Jeremy Corbyn for nearly two decades we have met him many times, both through his day-to-day work supporting people in his constituency, and through his wider campaigning work, especially in support of migrants and refugees and against racism, fascism and war.
Those who know him personally cannot take seriously the campaign of smears, wild distortions and innuendo against him, through which newspapers such as the Jewish Chronicle, Daily Mail and Sunday Express are trying to paint him as an antisemite or a friend of antisemites.
Memories are depressingly short. In 2013, the Daily Mail, which regularly publishes lurid scare stories about migrants and refugees, tried to undermine the previous Labour Leader, Ed Miliband, in the minds of anti-immigrant readers, by reminding them that Miliband’s father was an East European refugee. Furthermore, it claimed that Miliband senior was disloyal and insufficiently grateful to Britain. In the late 1930s, when Miliband’s family were desperately trying to escape from Nazism, it was the Sunday Express which complained in an editorial “…just now there is a big influx of foreign Jews into Britain. They are over-running the country.”
Last weekend we stood outside Yarl’s Wood Immigration Detention Centre protesting the inhuman treatment of women detained there. Jeremy Corbyn was the only leadership candidate to send a message of support.
His real crime, of course, in the eyes of the Jewish Chronicle, is that he has been a longstanding supporter of justice for the Palestinians and a negotiated peace based on an end to the occupation.
But as he said in the JW3 hustings recently: “Does questioning the behaviour of the Israeli state towards Palestinians lead to antisemitism? No, it mustn’t and shouldn’t … Whether it’s a synagogue or a mosque under attack we must all come together … as one in confronting it.”
We are proud that our MP has stood for the Labour leadership on a platform of challenging austerity, enhancing democracy, combating racism and giving support and hope to the most vulnerable members of society.
David Rosenberg and Julia Bard


And I raise you...

[Link]

....comments from a member of his own party seemingly saying he associates and promotes people who are 'homophobic and racist'.

Hmm...


I don't want to be accused of badgering you, so will say that this avenue is closed because obviously, Corbyn absolutely does not associate himself with homophobes or racists.


Of course a rival in the leadership race will try and besmirch him. Politics innit.

Most of the slurs against Corbyn have been half truths. One only needs to look at the whole what he said about discussing women only train carriages compared to what was reported.


Tell me, what do you think about him giving a platform to homophobes, misogynists and anti Semites? I know it is about 'fair hearing' but you must be a bit uncomfortable about it.


Corbyn said that what Kendall said was taken out of context.

Can you enlighten us as to which homophones misogynists and anti semites Corbyn gave a platform to so we can gauge the context.

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 28 Aug 15 12.05am

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 10.57pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.44pm

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 6.44pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 6.07pm

Quote matt_himself at 27 Aug 2015 10.20am

Quote nickgusset at 27 Aug 2015 9.53am

Letter in the Jewish Chronicle:
Dear Letters Editor
As Jewish constituents of Jeremy Corbyn for nearly two decades we have met him many times, both through his day-to-day work supporting people in his constituency, and through his wider campaigning work, especially in support of migrants and refugees and against racism, fascism and war.
Those who know him personally cannot take seriously the campaign of smears, wild distortions and innuendo against him, through which newspapers such as the Jewish Chronicle, Daily Mail and Sunday Express are trying to paint him as an antisemite or a friend of antisemites.
Memories are depressingly short. In 2013, the Daily Mail, which regularly publishes lurid scare stories about migrants and refugees, tried to undermine the previous Labour Leader, Ed Miliband, in the minds of anti-immigrant readers, by reminding them that Miliband’s father was an East European refugee. Furthermore, it claimed that Miliband senior was disloyal and insufficiently grateful to Britain. In the late 1930s, when Miliband’s family were desperately trying to escape from Nazism, it was the Sunday Express which complained in an editorial “…just now there is a big influx of foreign Jews into Britain. They are over-running the country.”
Last weekend we stood outside Yarl’s Wood Immigration Detention Centre protesting the inhuman treatment of women detained there. Jeremy Corbyn was the only leadership candidate to send a message of support.
His real crime, of course, in the eyes of the Jewish Chronicle, is that he has been a longstanding supporter of justice for the Palestinians and a negotiated peace based on an end to the occupation.
But as he said in the JW3 hustings recently: “Does questioning the behaviour of the Israeli state towards Palestinians lead to antisemitism? No, it mustn’t and shouldn’t … Whether it’s a synagogue or a mosque under attack we must all come together … as one in confronting it.”
We are proud that our MP has stood for the Labour leadership on a platform of challenging austerity, enhancing democracy, combating racism and giving support and hope to the most vulnerable members of society.
David Rosenberg and Julia Bard


And I raise you...

[Link]

....comments from a member of his own party seemingly saying he associates and promotes people who are 'homophobic and racist'.

Hmm...


I don't want to be accused of badgering you, so will say that this avenue is closed because obviously, Corbyn absolutely does not associate himself with homophobes or racists.


Of course a rival in the leadership race will try and besmirch him. Politics innit.

Most of the slurs against Corbyn have been half truths. One only needs to look at the whole what he said about discussing women only train carriages compared to what was reported.


Tell me, what do you think about him giving a platform to homophobes, misogynists and anti Semites? I know it is about 'fair hearing' but you must be a bit uncomfortable about it.


Corbyn said that what Kendall said was taken out of context.

Can you enlighten us as to which homophones misogynists and anti semites Corbyn gave a platform to so we can gauge the context.


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Lovely chap. Nice views. No doubt, what he says is 'taken out of context'.

No doubt you will tell me that his misogyinst, homophobic, anti semitism views are merely 'progressive'. And as a white bread middle class tosser, I don't get it.

Thank you in advance.

Edited by matt_himself (28 Aug 2015 12.06am)

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Aug 15 6.52am

From the article...
Mr Jahjah told LBC Radio: "We had, I think, two times lunch or breakfast together so I cannot say that Mr Corbyn is a personal friend but he is absolutely a political friend."

Mr Jahjah said in a blog: "I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things."

Mr Corbyn has also faced accusations that some of his supporters have been posting anti-Jewish abuse on social media but he described racist views as "beyond appalling".

"I have spent my life opposing racism. Until my dying day I will be opposed to racism in any form," he told BBC Radio 4.

Seems they shared some anti war views but that's about it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Clutching at straws methinks

 
leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 28 Aug 15 7.46am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 6.52am

From the article...
Mr Jahjah told LBC Radio: "We had, I think, two times lunch or breakfast together so I cannot say that Mr Corbyn is a personal friend but he is absolutely a political friend."

Mr Jahjah said in a blog: "I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things."

Mr Corbyn has also faced accusations that some of his supporters have been posting anti-Jewish abuse on social media but he described racist views as "beyond appalling".

"I have spent my life opposing racism. Until my dying day I will be opposed to racism in any form," he told BBC Radio 4.

Seems they shared some anti war views but that's about it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Clutching at straws methinks

Also in the article that Jahjah said: "every dead American, British and Dutch soldier a victory". Corbyn, who JJ describes as a 'friend' invited his chum Jahjah to speak a two separate events in the UK and shared a platform with him - prior to JJ being banned from entering the UK because of his extremist associations.

 

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 28 Aug 15 7.49am

In 'the Economist' this week there's an article about Bernie Sanders, the socialist challenger to Hillary Clinton in the primaries.

Sanders' central argument is that the poor have been voting against their own economic interests. His supporters are mostly white, well-educated and middle-aged.

Then there's this great line which I find very apposite for this thread too:

"...there is nothing new about affluent lefties nagging angry voters to see that they are cross about the wrong things."

I'm going to quote that at Bert the Head every time he blames anything - from the miners' strike to the financial crash - on people believing what they read in the tabloids.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Aug 15 8.38am

Quote leggedstruggle at 28 Aug 2015 7.46am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 6.52am

From the article...
Mr Jahjah told LBC Radio: "We had, I think, two times lunch or breakfast together so I cannot say that Mr Corbyn is a personal friend but he is absolutely a political friend."

Mr Jahjah said in a blog: "I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things."

Mr Corbyn has also faced accusations that some of his supporters have been posting anti-Jewish abuse on social media but he described racist views as "beyond appalling".

"I have spent my life opposing racism. Until my dying day I will be opposed to racism in any form," he told BBC Radio 4.

Seems they shared some anti war views but that's about it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Clutching at straws methinks

Also in the article that Jahjah said: "every dead American, British and Dutch soldier a victory". Corbyn, who JJ describes as a 'friend' invited his chum Jahjah to speak a two separate events in the UK and shared a platform with him - prior to JJ being banned from entering the UK because of his extremist associations.

It also said Corbyn didn't agree with everything Jahjah stood for.
The northern Ireland peace process wouldn't have happened if Major/blair/mowlem didn't share a platform with Sinn Fein. If they had your attitude the troubles would still be troublesome,

 
matt_himself Flag Matataland 28 Aug 15 12.38pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 8.38am

Quote leggedstruggle at 28 Aug 2015 7.46am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 6.52am

From the article...
Mr Jahjah told LBC Radio: "We had, I think, two times lunch or breakfast together so I cannot say that Mr Corbyn is a personal friend but he is absolutely a political friend."

Mr Jahjah said in a blog: "I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things."

Mr Corbyn has also faced accusations that some of his supporters have been posting anti-Jewish abuse on social media but he described racist views as "beyond appalling".

"I have spent my life opposing racism. Until my dying day I will be opposed to racism in any form," he told BBC Radio 4.

Seems they shared some anti war views but that's about it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Clutching at straws methinks

Also in the article that Jahjah said: "every dead American, British and Dutch soldier a victory". Corbyn, who JJ describes as a 'friend' invited his chum Jahjah to speak a two separate events in the UK and shared a platform with him - prior to JJ being banned from entering the UK because of his extremist associations.

It also said Corbyn didn't agree with everything Jahjah stood for.
The northern Ireland peace process wouldn't have happened if Major/blair/mowlem didn't share a platform with Sinn Fein. If they had your attitude the troubles would still be troublesome,


Out of interest, what would you think if Teresa May met Nick Griffin to discuss immigration?

 

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 28 Aug 15 12.51pm

Seems to me to be a case of 'he who is without sin shall cast the first stone' here. Can we assume that no one on here has ever met and talked to a prick in their lives? Christ, I've lost count of the number of them I've engaged with on here, let alone throughout my life. I once met Theo Pathitis, and he used to be chairman of Millwall. Does it make me a Millwall fan, or even someone who condones Millwall FC? Absolutely not.

People seem to getting their knickers in a twist purely for the reason that JC doesn't take the 'shout-them-down-and-bomb-them' approach to solving diplomatic disputes that has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last however many years. Forget the fact that Blair met Sinn Fein, Nixon met Mao, Obama met the Iranians etc etc etc, it is different with Corbyn, because him sitting on a panel with some nutter a couple of times almost definitely means he shares all of said nutters' principles.

If people are going to have a go at Corbyn, have a go at what HE actually says, don't just make up views you want him to have and smear him for that.

Oh, and speaking of high-ranking British political figures meeting foreign war criminals and murderers... [Link]

 

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leggedstruggle Flag Croydon 28 Aug 15 1.14pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 8.38am

Quote leggedstruggle at 28 Aug 2015 7.46am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 6.52am

From the article...
Mr Jahjah told LBC Radio: "We had, I think, two times lunch or breakfast together so I cannot say that Mr Corbyn is a personal friend but he is absolutely a political friend."

Mr Jahjah said in a blog: "I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things."

Mr Corbyn has also faced accusations that some of his supporters have been posting anti-Jewish abuse on social media but he described racist views as "beyond appalling".

"I have spent my life opposing racism. Until my dying day I will be opposed to racism in any form," he told BBC Radio 4.

Seems they shared some anti war views but that's about it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Clutching at straws methinks

Also in the article that Jahjah said: "every dead American, British and Dutch soldier a victory". Corbyn, who JJ describes as a 'friend' invited his chum Jahjah to speak a two separate events in the UK and shared a platform with him - prior to JJ being banned from entering the UK because of his extremist associations.

It also said Corbyn didn't agree with everything Jahjah stood for.
The northern Ireland peace process wouldn't have happened if Major/blair/mowlem didn't share a platform with Sinn Fein. If they had your attitude the troubles would still be troublesome,

The difference is Major/Blair/Mowlem did not share the views of Sinn Fein or make apologies for their methods. Corbyn is rabid pro-Irish-Republicanism and pro-Palestain and anti-Israel. The 'troubles' by the way are merely in a peaceful interlude, as has happened in the past. Sooner or later violence will erupt again and always will until there is a united Ireland.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 28 Aug 15 2.12pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 Aug 2015 12.51pm

Seems to me to be a case of 'he who is without sin shall cast the first stone' here. Can we assume that no one on here has ever met and talked to a prick in their lives? Christ, I've lost count of the number of them I've engaged with on here, let alone throughout my life. I once met Theo Pathitis, and he used to be chairman of Millwall. Does it make me a Millwall fan, or even someone who condones Millwall FC? Absolutely not.

People seem to getting their knickers in a twist purely for the reason that JC doesn't take the 'shout-them-down-and-bomb-them' approach to solving diplomatic disputes that has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last however many years. Forget the fact that Blair met Sinn Fein, Nixon met Mao, Obama met the Iranians etc etc etc, it is different with Corbyn, because him sitting on a panel with some nutter a couple of times almost definitely means he shares all of said nutters' principles.

If people are going to have a go at Corbyn, have a go at what HE actually says, don't just make up views you want him to have and smear him for that.

Oh, and speaking of high-ranking British political figures meeting foreign war criminals and murderers... [Link]


He's a Prime Minister you numpty and we sent Blair to meet enough people while he was PM.

"Don't just make up views", you make up your own "facts" ffs.

 

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Kingvagabond Flag London 28 Aug 15 3.06pm

Quote Stuk at 28 Aug 2015 2.12pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 Aug 2015 12.51pm

Seems to me to be a case of 'he who is without sin shall cast the first stone' here. Can we assume that no one on here has ever met and talked to a prick in their lives? Christ, I've lost count of the number of them I've engaged with on here, let alone throughout my life. I once met Theo Pathitis, and he used to be chairman of Millwall. Does it make me a Millwall fan, or even someone who condones Millwall FC? Absolutely not.

People seem to getting their knickers in a twist purely for the reason that JC doesn't take the 'shout-them-down-and-bomb-them' approach to solving diplomatic disputes that has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last however many years. Forget the fact that Blair met Sinn Fein, Nixon met Mao, Obama met the Iranians etc etc etc, it is different with Corbyn, because him sitting on a panel with some nutter a couple of times almost definitely means he shares all of said nutters' principles.

If people are going to have a go at Corbyn, have a go at what HE actually says, don't just make up views you want him to have and smear him for that.

Oh, and speaking of high-ranking British political figures meeting foreign war criminals and murderers... [Link]


He's a Prime Minister you numpty and we sent Blair to meet enough people while he was PM.

"Don't just make up views", you make up your own "facts" ffs.

His point was if you're going to slag off Corbyn for the people he's met you must keep the same value with your right wing friends. He's not saying it's wrong for Cameron to meet Netanyahu. He's saying if YOU want to slag off Corbyn then YOU must slag off everyone right and left for doing the same as him.

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 28 Aug 15 3.14pm

Quote Kingvagabond at 28 Aug 2015 3.06pm

Quote Stuk at 28 Aug 2015 2.12pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 Aug 2015 12.51pm

Seems to me to be a case of 'he who is without sin shall cast the first stone' here. Can we assume that no one on here has ever met and talked to a prick in their lives? Christ, I've lost count of the number of them I've engaged with on here, let alone throughout my life. I once met Theo Pathitis, and he used to be chairman of Millwall. Does it make me a Millwall fan, or even someone who condones Millwall FC? Absolutely not.

People seem to getting their knickers in a twist purely for the reason that JC doesn't take the 'shout-them-down-and-bomb-them' approach to solving diplomatic disputes that has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last however many years. Forget the fact that Blair met Sinn Fein, Nixon met Mao, Obama met the Iranians etc etc etc, it is different with Corbyn, because him sitting on a panel with some nutter a couple of times almost definitely means he shares all of said nutters' principles.

If people are going to have a go at Corbyn, have a go at what HE actually says, don't just make up views you want him to have and smear him for that.

Oh, and speaking of high-ranking British political figures meeting foreign war criminals and murderers... [Link]


He's a Prime Minister you numpty and we sent Blair to meet enough people while he was PM.

"Don't just make up views", you make up your own "facts" ffs.

His point was if you're going to slag off Corbyn for the people he's met you must keep the same value with your right wing friends. He's not saying it's wrong for Cameron to meet Netanyahu. He's saying if YOU want to slag off Corbyn then YOU must slag off everyone right and left for doing the same as him.

I haven't slagged off Corbyn for his company, so I don't have to slag off our PM for meeting the PM of another country.

Corbyn's meetings however were out of choice, whereas this is a duty. That's the stupidity of the comparison that I was getting to.

 

Optimistic as ever
nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Aug 15 3.15pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 28 Aug 2015 1.14pm

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 8.38am

Quote leggedstruggle at 28 Aug 2015 7.46am

Quote nickgusset at 28 Aug 2015 6.52am

From the article...
Mr Jahjah told LBC Radio: "We had, I think, two times lunch or breakfast together so I cannot say that Mr Corbyn is a personal friend but he is absolutely a political friend."

Mr Jahjah said in a blog: "I am like Mr Corbyn a socialist, and we do share similar values. This does not mean that I agree with him on everything and I am sure that he also disagrees with me on some things."

Mr Corbyn has also faced accusations that some of his supporters have been posting anti-Jewish abuse on social media but he described racist views as "beyond appalling".

"I have spent my life opposing racism. Until my dying day I will be opposed to racism in any form," he told BBC Radio 4.

Seems they shared some anti war views but that's about it.

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it. Clutching at straws methinks

Also in the article that Jahjah said: "every dead American, British and Dutch soldier a victory". Corbyn, who JJ describes as a 'friend' invited his chum Jahjah to speak a two separate events in the UK and shared a platform with him - prior to JJ being banned from entering the UK because of his extremist associations.

It also said Corbyn didn't agree with everything Jahjah stood for.
The northern Ireland peace process wouldn't have happened if Major/blair/mowlem didn't share a platform with Sinn Fein. If they had your attitude the troubles would still be troublesome,

The difference is Major/Blair/Mowlem did not share the views of Sinn Fein or make apologies for their methods. Corbyn is rabid pro-Irish-Republicanism and pro-Palestain and anti-Israel. The 'troubles' by the way are merely in a peaceful interlude, as has happened in the past. Sooner or later violence will erupt again and always will until there is a united Ireland.

Strange because I've read that Corbyn advocates a 2 state solution re: Israel Palestine.

 
serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 28 Aug 15 4.37pm

Quote Stuk at 28 Aug 2015 2.12pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 Aug 2015 12.51pm

Seems to me to be a case of 'he who is without sin shall cast the first stone' here. Can we assume that no one on here has ever met and talked to a prick in their lives? Christ, I've lost count of the number of them I've engaged with on here, let alone throughout my life. I once met Theo Pathitis, and he used to be chairman of Millwall. Does it make me a Millwall fan, or even someone who condones Millwall FC? Absolutely not.

People seem to getting their knickers in a twist purely for the reason that JC doesn't take the 'shout-them-down-and-bomb-them' approach to solving diplomatic disputes that has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last however many years. Forget the fact that Blair met Sinn Fein, Nixon met Mao, Obama met the Iranians etc etc etc, it is different with Corbyn, because him sitting on a panel with some nutter a couple of times almost definitely means he shares all of said nutters' principles.

If people are going to have a go at Corbyn, have a go at what HE actually says, don't just make up views you want him to have and smear him for that.

Oh, and speaking of high-ranking British political figures meeting foreign war criminals and murderers... [Link]


He's a Prime Minister you numpty and we sent Blair to meet enough people while he was PM.

"Don't just make up views", you make up your own "facts" ffs.


On your first point, I have no issue with Cameron meeting Netanyahu. Admittedly instead of the Iran deal I would prefer him to be talking about his country blocking vital aid and infrastructure resources to the Palestinians, or the detainment of children without trial in Gaza, or even the illegal settlements on the West Bank Netanyahu condones, but oh well. Communication is always the best form of effective diplomacy. As for your distinction between choice and duty in response to KingV, I find that a very hard distinction to understand. Corbyn is, amongst other things, an MP, chair or leading member of several organisations such as Stop the War, the PSC and the CND. Does he not have a duty to engage in discussions and events on these platforms? Following from that, just as Cameron has no power over who the leaders of other nations are, do you really think Corbyn has a say over who others on a panel with him are, what there views are, etc?

On your second point. I didn't respond to your previous post because a) I didn't have time and b) I thought it was such a pernickety attempt at belittling my point I wouldn't waste my spare time on it. But clearly you've got a bee in your bonnet about it and are now accusing me of making up facts, so allow me to defend myself.

At this point, for anyone else reading, I apologise for what will be an incredibly boring rest of this post, feel free to move on to the next post or whatever.

What is a fact? Well, a quick scan on the web finds it to be 'a truth known by actual experience or observation'. This makes it a matter of empirical analysis: you can't have a fact which hasn't been checked, and likewise a fact isn't true on its own, but is true because it has been evaluated and recorded by a second party.

So what did I write?

A recent survey claimed around a third of the electorate would be more likely to vote for Labour with Corbyn in charge. Most support nationalising the railways and the energy companies, keeping the NHS public, are against military intervention in Syria as they were against Iraq, and even the IMF argues against austerity. Not only does Corbyn represent the views of a sizeable percentage of the population, he actually resides in the majority view on a number of issues, putting him in stark contrast to almost anyone else in the two major parliamentary parties.

Let's go through them one by one.

First sentence: yep, that is a fact. Here's a link to their findings: [Link]

Renationalisation: This is a statement based on the empirical findings of large polling organisations. If we look back to the definition of the word fact, we can see that these can be a good basis for claiming something to be 'fact', particularly if the same results are shown again and again. As they are: [Link] and [Link] and [Link]

What about the NHS? Well again Yougov's poll suggests over 4 in 5 support public healthcare, and even more than that, over twice the number of people who would be happy to be charged for healthcare would rather taxes were raised to protect the NHS: [Link] The NHS is also regarded as a source of more pride than the monarchy or the army: [Link]

Foreign policy: again, since I can't ask everyone in the country, I am basing my factual claims on the observations of other reputable sources. This is what scientists do throughout their profession, however so I hope you don't mind me following their lead. Here however, opinions fluctuate based on time. However, we can see that the public were against intervention in 2012: [Link] and 2013: [Link] On Iraq, I concede I was slightly wrong. This [Link] shows that the public supported intervention in to Iraq until 2004, when support fell below opposition, and stayed there until the present day. But given it has been over a decade since any organisation has suggested the public support military intervention, I again believe that, without coherent counter-evidence, my fact still stands.

Finally (thank God), the IMF's stance against austerity: [Link] and again, more recently, warning against needless cuts in nations like the UK as bad for growth: [Link]

My final sentence is really just an evaluation of the previous analysis. I'm not going to back the last statement about his opposing MPs up, as that would take me all night.

So I hope I've cleared up any doubts that I 'make up facts'. But please, Stuk, if you still have doubts, do provide your compelling counter-evidence, explain in philosophical terms why you believe my definition of 'fact' is wrong or, and I'm not holding my breathe, apologise for false accusations. Ta.

 

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

eagles1230_3 Flag Coulsdon 28 Aug 15 4.43pm

I like you!

Quite frankly the left can do one!

Quote fed up eagle at 27 Jul 2015 7.12pm

Well the far left posters seem to think that Corbyn is the mut's nuts. They don't see him as an idealistic clown who would place this country in great danger, but then they'd be happy living in a Marxist utopia where the rich and upwardly mobile are burnt at the stake whilst money is lavished on the terminally selfish, stupid and lazy.
Welcome to socialist paradise.


 

We had joy we had fun we had Brighton on the run, but the joy didn't last as the bastards ran to fast
Stuk Flag Top half 28 Aug 15 4.45pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 Aug 2015 4.37pm

Quote Stuk at 28 Aug 2015 2.12pm

Quote serial thriller at 28 Aug 2015 12.51pm

Seems to me to be a case of 'he who is without sin shall cast the first stone' here. Can we assume that no one on here has ever met and talked to a prick in their lives? Christ, I've lost count of the number of them I've engaged with on here, let alone throughout my life. I once met Theo Pathitis, and he used to be chairman of Millwall. Does it make me a Millwall fan, or even someone who condones Millwall FC? Absolutely not.

People seem to getting their knickers in a twist purely for the reason that JC doesn't take the 'shout-them-down-and-bomb-them' approach to solving diplomatic disputes that has been the cornerstone of our foreign policy for the last however many years. Forget the fact that Blair met Sinn Fein, Nixon met Mao, Obama met the Iranians etc etc etc, it is different with Corbyn, because him sitting on a panel with some nutter a couple of times almost definitely means he shares all of said nutters' principles.

If people are going to have a go at Corbyn, have a go at what HE actually says, don't just make up views you want him to have and smear him for that.

Oh, and speaking of high-ranking British political figures meeting foreign war criminals and murderers... [Link]


He's a Prime Minister you numpty and we sent Blair to meet enough people while he was PM.

"Don't just make up views", you make up your own "facts" ffs.


On your first point, I have no issue with Cameron meeting Netanyahu. Admittedly instead of the Iran deal I would prefer him to be talking about his country blocking vital aid and infrastructure resources to the Palestinians, or the detainment of children without trial in Gaza, or even the illegal settlements on the West Bank Netanyahu condones, but oh well. Communication is always the best form of effective diplomacy. As for your distinction between choice and duty in response to KingV, I find that a very hard distinction to understand. Corbyn is, amongst other things, an MP, chair or leading member of several organisations such as Stop the War, the PSC and the CND. Does he not have a duty to engage in discussions and events on these platforms? Following from that, just as Cameron has no power over who the leaders of other nations are, do you really think Corbyn has a say over who others on a panel with him are, what there views are, etc?

On your second point. I didn't respond to your previous post because a) I didn't have time and b) I thought it was such a pernickety attempt at belittling my point I wouldn't waste my spare time on it. But clearly you've got a bee in your bonnet about it and are now accusing me of making up facts, so allow me to defend myself.

At this point, for anyone else reading, I apologise for what will be an incredibly boring rest of this post, feel free to move on to the next post or whatever.

What is a fact? Well, a quick scan on the web finds it to be 'a truth known by actual experience or observation'. This makes it a matter of empirical analysis: you can't have a fact which hasn't been checked, and likewise a fact isn't true on its own, but is true because it has been evaluated and recorded by a second party.

So what did I write?

A recent survey claimed around a third of the electorate would be more likely to vote for Labour with Corbyn in charge. Most support nationalising the railways and the energy companies, keeping the NHS public, are against military intervention in Syria as they were against Iraq, and even the IMF argues against austerity. Not only does Corbyn represent the views of a sizeable percentage of the population, he actually resides in the majority view on a number of issues, putting him in stark contrast to almost anyone else in the two major parliamentary parties.

Let's go through them one by one.

First sentence: yep, that is a fact. Here's a link to their findings: [Link]

Renationalisation: This is a statement based on the empirical findings of large polling organisations. If we look back to the definition of the word fact, we can see that these can be a good basis for claiming something to be 'fact', particularly if the same results are shown again and again. As they are: [Link] and [Link] and [Link]

What about the NHS? Well again Yougov's poll suggests over 4 in 5 support public healthcare, and even more than that, over twice the number of people who would be happy to be charged for healthcare would rather taxes were raised to protect the NHS: [Link] The NHS is also regarded as a source of more pride than the monarchy or the army: [Link]

Foreign policy: again, since I can't ask everyone in the country, I am basing my factual claims on the observations of other reputable sources. This is what scientists do throughout their profession, however so I hope you don't mind me following their lead. Here however, opinions fluctuate based on time. However, we can see that the public were against intervention in 2012: [Link] and 2013: [Link] On Iraq, I concede I was slightly wrong. This [Link] shows that the public supported intervention in to Iraq until 2004, when support fell below opposition, and stayed there until the present day. But given it has been over a decade since any organisation has suggested the public support military intervention, I again believe that, without coherent counter-evidence, my fact still stands.

Finally (thank God), the IMF's stance against austerity: [Link] and again, more recently, warning against needless cuts in nations like the UK as bad for growth: [Link]

My final sentence is really just an evaluation of the previous analysis. I'm not going to back the last statement about his opposing MPs up, as that would take me all night.

So I hope I've cleared up any doubts that I 'make up facts'. But please, Stuk, if you still have doubts, do provide your compelling counter-evidence, explain in philosophical terms why you believe my definition of 'fact' is wrong or, and I'm not holding my breathe, apologise for false accusations. Ta.

With the amount of waffle you type i'm not surprised, because I don't even have time to read all that.

Making a post really long doesn't mean it's a good one.

 

Optimistic as ever
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