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sydtheeagle England 02 Oct 15 8.28pm | |
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Quote pefwin at 02 Oct 2015 8.02pm
Yeah but can anyone put the ball in straight? No, and furthermore they don't even try. When you have a hooker who can't hook (like Tom Youngs) the 9 pretty much feeds straight into the second row these days. In fact, he does it even if he has a hooker who can hook. For whatever reason, it's simply something that refs have ceased to police anymore. I suspect that this will soon change (unlike football, rugby rules tend to evolve season-by-season) but it's a great pity now because the art of hooking has been somewhat lost and hookers who are good in the loose (again, like Tom Youngs) gain reputations despite the fact that they lack the core skill of their position. The focus on the front three is really now on disrupting the other side rather than overtly winning the ball and on the rare occasions a scrum is won against the head, it's usually the result of overpowering the side with the ball rather than hooking technique. The focus on disruption is really why the Tight Head has become probably the second most important player in rugby after the out half. If he doesn't do his job, the ball never gets back to 10.
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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 02 Oct 15 9.35pm | |
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Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Oct 2015 8.28pm
Quote pefwin at 02 Oct 2015 8.02pm
Yeah but can anyone put the ball in straight? No, and furthermore they don't even try. When you have a hooker who can't hook (like Tom Youngs) the 9 pretty much feeds straight into the second row these days. In fact, he does it even if he has a hooker who can hook. For whatever reason, it's simply something that refs have ceased to police anymore. I suspect that this will soon change (unlike football, rugby rules tend to evolve season-by-season) but it's a great pity now because the art of hooking has been somewhat lost and hookers who are good in the loose (again, like Tom Youngs) gain reputations despite the fact that they lack the core skill of their position. The focus on the front three is really now on disrupting the other side rather than overtly winning the ball and on the rare occasions a scrum is won against the head, it's usually the result of overpowering the side with the ball rather than hooking technique. The focus on disruption is really why the Tight Head has become probably the second most important player in rugby after the out half. If he doesn't do his job, the ball never gets back to 10. Scrums are so low now it is impossible for the hookers to actually hook the ball if it is put in straight. After last seasons change of rule Scrums have got better but there's still too many calls where the ref is at best making an educated guess.
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Hoof Hearted 03 Oct 15 10.49am | |
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 02 Oct 2015 9.35pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Oct 2015 8.28pm
Quote pefwin at 02 Oct 2015 8.02pm
Yeah but can anyone put the ball in straight? No, and furthermore they don't even try. When you have a hooker who can't hook (like Tom Youngs) the 9 pretty much feeds straight into the second row these days. In fact, he does it even if he has a hooker who can hook. For whatever reason, it's simply something that refs have ceased to police anymore. I suspect that this will soon change (unlike football, rugby rules tend to evolve season-by-season) but it's a great pity now because the art of hooking has been somewhat lost and hookers who are good in the loose (again, like Tom Youngs) gain reputations despite the fact that they lack the core skill of their position. The focus on the front three is really now on disrupting the other side rather than overtly winning the ball and on the rare occasions a scrum is won against the head, it's usually the result of overpowering the side with the ball rather than hooking technique. The focus on disruption is really why the Tight Head has become probably the second most important player in rugby after the out half. If he doesn't do his job, the ball never gets back to 10. Scrums are so low now it is impossible for the hookers to actually hook the ball if it is put in straight. After last seasons change of rule Scrums have got better but there's still too many calls where the ref is at best making an educated guess.
I agree about the referee guessing though.
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sydtheeagle England 03 Oct 15 10.56am | |
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Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 02 Oct 2015 9.35pm
Scrums are so low now Not when Gethin's propping :-)
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johnno42000 03 Oct 15 2.46pm | |
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Interesting article from an ex-ref how he viewed the scrums between Wales and Fiji. Things have really changed since I played. [Link]
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 03 Oct 15 3.39pm | |
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I can't say anything meaningful - all I can say is Come on England!!! I will never hear the end of it in Ireland if England go out - and God forbid, dare I even post it, Ireland win. St George, Agincourt, Waterloo, Trafalgar and everything else today.
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pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 03 Oct 15 8.09pm | |
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Quote Hoof Hearted at 03 Oct 2015 10.49am
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 02 Oct 2015 9.35pm
Quote sydtheeagle at 02 Oct 2015 8.28pm
Quote pefwin at 02 Oct 2015 8.02pm
Yeah but can anyone put the ball in straight? No, and furthermore they don't even try. When you have a hooker who can't hook (like Tom Youngs) the 9 pretty much feeds straight into the second row these days. In fact, he does it even if he has a hooker who can hook. For whatever reason, it's simply something that refs have ceased to police anymore. I suspect that this will soon change (unlike football, rugby rules tend to evolve season-by-season) but it's a great pity now because the art of hooking has been somewhat lost and hookers who are good in the loose (again, like Tom Youngs) gain reputations despite the fact that they lack the core skill of their position. The focus on the front three is really now on disrupting the other side rather than overtly winning the ball and on the rare occasions a scrum is won against the head, it's usually the result of overpowering the side with the ball rather than hooking technique. The focus on disruption is really why the Tight Head has become probably the second most important player in rugby after the out half. If he doesn't do his job, the ball never gets back to 10. Scrums are so low now it is impossible for the hookers to actually hook the ball if it is put in straight. After last seasons change of rule Scrums have got better but there's still too many calls where the ref is at best making an educated guess.
I agree about the referee guessing though. That's the point that's the rules. Put in straight and suddenly some of the issues around scrummaging disappear. If we follow the Antipodeans soon we will allow the forward pass.
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oldcodger 03 Oct 15 8.14pm | |
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Quote ASCPFC at 03 Oct 2015 3.39pm
I can't say anything meaningful - all I can say is Come on England!!! I will never hear the end of it in Ireland if England go out - and God forbid, dare I even post it, Ireland win. St George, Agincourt, Waterloo, Trafalgar and everything else today.
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jeeagles 03 Oct 15 8.46pm | |
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England are deffinately out then. This is pathetic
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 03 Oct 15 8.46pm | |
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England currently being butchered by a good Australian side. They are sharper, quicker, they create options and execute and make very few errors Everything this England team arent they are. Pocock head and shoulders. Edited by The Sash (03 Oct 2015 8.50pm)
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Lyons550 Shirley 03 Oct 15 8.57pm | |
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World champions at singing anthems, world chumpions at game discipline
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 03 Oct 15 9.12pm | |
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Getting murdered, you need a spark so you bring Wiggles on....
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