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 Spiderman  Horsham 13 Feb 21 9.53am |
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All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently
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| dynamicdick Dormansland 13 Feb 21 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently Early days but 14 million vaccines given to date is a start.
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| Spiderman Horsham 13 Feb 21 11.27am |
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Originally posted by dynamicdick
Early days but 14 million vaccines given to date is a start. Indeed
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| Spiderman Horsham 14 Feb 21 9.48am |
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Very good article
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Teddy Eagle  15 Feb 21 1.53pm |
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Maybe things aren’t as bad after all.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Feb 21 2.14pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit: as half its sales are wiped out, silk firm joins exodus to Europe. This is the reality of brexit, our jobs being exported to the EU so they can trade competitively. The only real, not fantasy 'Liz Truss' trade deal that the UK actually has, is this one with the EU. And it is an economic and political disaster for us. Edited by steeleye20 (14 Feb 2021 11.38am) No, it isn't because of Brexit. The economics of the whole west are a disaster, being out of the EU will give us a slight flexible edge over the rest of this difficult decade. The west won't be able to service its debt and frankly whether Brexit happened or didn't that's what is going to happen and has far more importance. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Feb 2021 2.15pm)
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Feb 21 3.15pm |
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For now. Let's hope it stays that way
Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons. |
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Feb 21 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently Anyone with half a brain should be acknowledging benefits already being felt from having left, this being one pretty big benefit. However, that doesn't mean current massive negatives that are emerging like the impossibility of export trade and ridiculously short term working visas can simply be swept under the rug and filed as 'will be resolved at some point, eventually, will all be fine in the end'. Just because the average 'working man' (what does that even mean these days) doesn't work in or is not part of a small or large business that relies explicitly on international custom and trade (with the EU as most UK businesses largest revenue stream), I'm alright Jack doesn't quite cut it. If not addressed rapidly, the damage will be severe and take many years to repair.
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cryrst  The garden of England 15 Feb 21 6.12pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Anyone with half a brain should be acknowledging benefits already being felt from having left, this being one pretty big benefit. However, that doesn't mean current massive negatives that are emerging like the impossibility of export trade and ridiculously short term working visas can simply be swept under the rug and filed as 'will be resolved at some point, eventually, will all be fine in the end'. Just because the average 'working man' (what does that even mean these days) doesn't work in or is not part of a small or large business that relies explicitly on international custom and trade (with the EU as most UK businesses largest revenue stream), I'm alright Jack doesn't quite cut it. If not addressed rapidly, the damage will be severe and take many years to repair. 7 weeks in to brexit.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 15 Feb 21 10.38pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
7 weeks in to brexit. I agree on timeframe, probably longer than that in fairness. But that shouldn’t prevent these things being called out now as they could escalate rapidly if it turns out they’ve not been properly planned for, or that unrealistic assumptions have been made regarding future EU concessions post exit and ratification, simply to get the PR of an agreed deal over the line. Even more so as they are hardly minor economic issues - certainly more than just ‘teething issues’. That phrase implies something minor that can be relatively easily remedied. All that said it’s not set in stone - I am very interested to see if anything can be done to
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| Matov 16 Feb 21 8.22am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
I agree on timeframe, probably longer than that in fairness. But that shouldn’t prevent these things being called out now as they could escalate rapidly if it turns out they’ve not been properly planned for, or that unrealistic assumptions have been made regarding future EU concessions post exit and ratification, simply to get the PR of an agreed deal over the line. Even more so as they are hardly minor economic issues - certainly more than just ‘teething issues’. That phrase implies something minor that can be relatively easily remedied.
Issue is that the EU is looking to punish us for leaving. That simple. And where I admit to a growing sense of despair. The primary problem is not necessarily the deal itself but rather the notion of how the EU can play it. I have read of exports being held up because the officials have claimed that the ink used on the paper-work is the wrong colour. The mistake has been thinking that a deal could be made to work with the EU.
The EU are utter s***c***s. Which is fine. They make no bones about that and with all the evidence on offer. But you cannot reason with such people. We need to move to a full-on cold-war mentality with them. Fight fire with fire. Boot all their fishing boats out of our waters NOW. Get ready to impose huge tariffs on all EU agricultural goods so that non-EU foodstuffs are much cheaper on our shelves. Ditto with their cars and anything else they want to sell to us. Sod all this being good neighbours, at least for now. As to Ireland then rip up any and every limitation between the mainland and NI. And leave outside of the border completely open. Tell Irish hauliers they are free to come and go as they wish. Let the EU impose the hard-border. Bridges literally need to be burnt with the EU. And this is the year to do it. Edited by Matov (16 Feb 2021 8.23am)
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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| Spiderman Horsham 16 Feb 21 8.25am |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Anyone with half a brain should be acknowledging benefits already being felt from having left, this being one pretty big benefit. However, that doesn't mean current massive negatives that are emerging like the impossibility of export trade and ridiculously short term working visas can simply be swept under the rug and filed as 'will be resolved at some point, eventually, will all be fine in the end'. Just because the average 'working man' (what does that even mean these days) doesn't work in or is not part of a small or large business that relies explicitly on international custom and trade (with the EU as most UK businesses largest revenue stream), I'm alright Jack doesn't quite cut it. If not addressed rapidly, the damage will be severe and take many years to repair. You should send your first paragraph to ME
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| Eaglecoops CR3 16 Feb 21 3.25pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Issue is that the EU is looking to punish us for leaving. That simple. And where I admit to a growing sense of despair. The primary problem is not necessarily the deal itself but rather the notion of how the EU can play it. I have read of exports being held up because the officials have claimed that the ink used on the paper-work is the wrong colour. The mistake has been thinking that a deal could be made to work with the EU.
The EU are utter s***c***s. Which is fine. They make no bones about that and with all the evidence on offer. But you cannot reason with such people. We need to move to a full-on cold-war mentality with them. Fight fire with fire. Boot all their fishing boats out of our waters NOW. Get ready to impose huge tariffs on all EU agricultural goods so that non-EU foodstuffs are much cheaper on our shelves. Ditto with their cars and anything else they want to sell to us. Sod all this being good neighbours, at least for now. As to Ireland then rip up any and every limitation between the mainland and NI. And leave outside of the border completely open. Tell Irish hauliers they are free to come and go as they wish. Let the EU impose the hard-border. Bridges literally need to be burnt with the EU. And this is the year to do it. Edited by Matov (16 Feb 2021 8.23am) I think I’m with you on this. Any chance you fancy starting a new political party?
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| The Dolphin 16 Feb 21 5.52pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Issue is that the EU is looking to punish us for leaving. That simple. And where I admit to a growing sense of despair. The primary problem is not necessarily the deal itself but rather the notion of how the EU can play it. I have read of exports being held up because the officials have claimed that the ink used on the paper-work is the wrong colour. The mistake has been thinking that a deal could be made to work with the EU.
The EU are utter s***c***s. Which is fine. They make no bones about that and with all the evidence on offer. But you cannot reason with such people. We need to move to a full-on cold-war mentality with them. Fight fire with fire. Boot all their fishing boats out of our waters NOW. Get ready to impose huge tariffs on all EU agricultural goods so that non-EU foodstuffs are much cheaper on our shelves. Ditto with their cars and anything else they want to sell to us. Sod all this being good neighbours, at least for now. As to Ireland then rip up any and every limitation between the mainland and NI. And leave outside of the border completely open. Tell Irish hauliers they are free to come and go as they wish. Let the EU impose the hard-border. Bridges literally need to be burnt with the EU. And this is the year to do it. Edited by Matov (16 Feb 2021 8.23am)
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| Stirlingsays 18 Feb 21 10.59am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The future for Europe has to be green imo and I am glad I changed from labour. First up is Mario Draghi's new italian government. He has declared it will be an eco-government led by green technology. To qualify for their share of the EU recovery money, some 200 billion euros, they have to show 37% of it will spent on green and 20% on digital. Bold stuff, polls are showing italians approval rating of 85%. I wager he's a bag holder until the next elections where Savini will take back his elected mantle. While I view some green energy as possible secondary technologies the idea that voters will turn to Green parties as the west starts to deal with its recessions over these next few years is fancible in the extreme. You don't worry about the hole in your roof when there is hunger in your belly. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Feb 2021 11.02am)
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