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topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 04 Nov 16 10.50am

Originally posted by Willo

I will keep out of this debate as it will clearly evolve into a vitriolic WILLO thread.

If I had posted some of the things on here, posted by a particular member I would be accused of being a "Troll" and "Attention seeker" etc etc. Rather than give any credence to certain posts I will ignore some of the hogwash and won't rise to any bait.

So that's it from me on this thread.



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Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 04 Nov 16 10.50am

An argument that the referendum was advisory is nonsense because of our political system of "first by the post".

However, nothing is done "democratically" these days. Wealth means control and so will ultimately determine the outcome. There has never been any doubt in my mind about what would happen.

Inevitably, we appear to be devoid of innovation and ideas as well as the leadership to take advantage of opportunities that Brexit actually presents. Easier for the brain dead and static lard ar$e$ to whine about what happened today than think about tomorrow.

Should never have had the referendum in the first place but focusing the pre-referendum debate on such a narrow set of issues was ridiculous. Not having a plan B was downright inept. Self-interest groups throwing their toys out of the pram was entirely predictable.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Nov 16 11.06am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

There never will be and I never will.
Your logic for voting remain is ridiculous.

I think you can have a more equitable society - I don't think you have a have a truly equitable society

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 16 11.14am

Originally posted by Part Time James

Whilst I voted for, and still want Brexit, I do have to agree with some of this. The error was the wording on the literature that went with the referendum. Promising that voting for it would make it so was not something that could be promised. It wasn't the only load of sh*te we were dealt in the lead up either.

From my point of view, I just hope that it sews up any questions about the legality of things with minimal delay (although the telegraph report a potential year delay). Pro or Anti, no one could be hoping for a delay to this because the uncertainty is doing nobody any good. The only reason I can see any Remainers wanting a delay is that a delay could turn into an attempt to brush the whole thing under the carpet.

I want a delay to be proved right

Another reason is the whole referendum thing was rather rushed without proper transparency and vital information withheld from both sides to enable a truly democratic vote to have taken place. Debates were childish and thoughtless and emotive. More so from the Brexit side, i thought.

"Scaremongering" that oft-used quick off the mark phrase when someone was, perhaps, telling the truth, was not what was needed when critical analysis was.

If May said Article 50 would not be invoked for another 12-18 months in order to get ourselves truly ready for it then that would be much more acceptable. As it stands, we are most definitely not. Ready.

 


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richard shaw (og)65 Flag my minds eye 04 Nov 16 11.16am

Originally posted by Willo

I will keep out of this debate as it will clearly evolve into a vitriolic WILLO thread.

If I had posted some of the things on here, posted by a particular member I would be accused of being a "Troll" and "Attention seeker" etc etc. Rather than give any credence to certain posts I will ignore some of the hogwash and won't rise to any bait.

So that's it from me on this thread.

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 16 11.18am

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

An argument that the referendum was advisory is nonsense because of our political system of "first by the post".

However, nothing is done "democratically" these days. Wealth means control and so will ultimately determine the outcome. There has never been any doubt in my mind about what would happen.

Inevitably, we appear to be devoid of innovation and ideas as well as the leadership to take advantage of opportunities that Brexit actually presents. Easier for the brain dead and static lard ar$e$ to whine about what happened today than think about tomorrow.

Should never have had the referendum in the first place but focusing the pre-referendum debate on such a narrow set of issues was ridiculous. Not having a plan B was downright inept. Self-interest groups throwing their toys out of the pram was entirely predictable.

Totally spot-on. The wrong people are in power for Brexit to work at the moment. They exude incompetence. Cameron fvcked-up in a such a big way politically two years back it almost beggars belief for such a bright man.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 11.33am

Brexit Tory MP resigns...
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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Nov 16 11.33am

Originally posted by silvertop


As was clear from previous deep recessions, the elite tend to do well whatever the circumstances. As I see it, there is no reason why the elite would not profit handsomely from exiting the EU with the appropriate well-advised asset movements.

If the economy does well, we will all be toasting our cleverness in voting Brexit; or acknowledging how silly we were to vote Remain. On the other hand, if the predicted collapse happens, it will not be the elite who fall by the way side; it will be the likes of you and I Hrolfy me old mate who slip into the mire.

The wealthy generally do OK but this is about putting a spanner in the works of their influence on so called democracy.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 11.37am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The wealthy generally do OK but this is about putting a spanner in the works of their influence on so called democracy.

Do you really believe the current lot in power wouldn't make things betterer for the wealthy and worserer for Joe Public?

They want to get rid of using the ECHR ffs, can you imagine what they'd replace it with and who this would impact?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Nov 16 11.38am

Originally posted by DanH

You're sounding f*cking hilarious more like.

Those elitist judges, doing their jobs and applying British law as handed down for centuries - the pricks.

It is a clear attempt to undermine democracy and allow at the very least an attempt to enforce a soft Brexit through Parliament. The judiciary have allowed it to happen.

What it will actually mean is a pointless delay or a general election which will see Labour totally destroyed at the polls.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Nov 16 11.41am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Do you really believe the current lot in power wouldn't make things betterer for the wealthy and worserer for Joe Public?

They want to get rid of using the ECHR ffs, can you imagine what they'd replace it with and who this would impact?

The public have had their say on what they think of Labour policy and with your current idiot in charge you will be lucky to finish third next time.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Nov 16 11.42am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think you can have a more equitable society - I don't think you have a have a truly equitable society

I think I already said that.

 

Hoof Hearted 04 Nov 16 11.44am

I love the fact that the SNP, Labour and LibDem supporters think they can smell blood.

I have two hopes...

1. We actually do have a General Election in the next 6 months because Corbyn and Farron will get battered. The Tories will have a much stronger majority.

2. The Jocks have another Independence Referendum and the SNP get their wish - a Yes majority..... give it less than 10 years and they will be worse off than Greece financially.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Nov 16 11.46am

Originally posted by Kermit8

Totally spot-on. The wrong people are in power for Brexit to work at the moment. They exude incompetence. Cameron fvcked-up in a such a big way politically two years back it almost beggars belief for such a bright man.

The Tories have rarely agreed on Europe, so I think he was brave, and when he lost he did the honourable thing.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 16 11.56am

Originally posted by chris123

The Tories have rarely agreed on Europe, so I think he was brave, and when he lost he did the honourable thing.

He promised a referendum purely to win the GE. He didn't want one. He screwed up. He's now out. He still would have won really even if it meant a coalition again. He miscalculated.

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 16 12.04pm

Stephen Phillips MP who just resigned "pro leave but not pro leaving the single market".


This could be the crux for many other MPs. It's difficult to argue how leaving the single market which accounts for 40-45% of our trade can be and will be beneficial. If May can't argue the point in the Commons sufficiently then we are going to need some extra fans to cope with all the mess.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Nov 16 12.20pm

We are much more powerful in the EU than people think because we have the veto its considered the last resort but Cameron did use it.

I don't think this applies atall to the single market you pay for access but you don't get any say in how its run.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 04 Nov 16 2.29pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Stephen Phillips MP who just resigned "pro leave but not pro leaving the single market".


This could be the crux for many other MPs. It's difficult to argue how leaving the single market which accounts for 40-45% of our trade can be and will be beneficial. If May can't argue the point in the Commons sufficiently then we are going to need some extra fans to cope with all the mess.

Problem is remaining in the single market will always be tied to freedom of movement.

 


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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 04 Nov 16 2.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is a clear attempt to undermine democracy and allow at the very least an attempt to enforce a soft Brexit through Parliament. The judiciary have allowed it to happen.

What it will actually mean is a pointless delay or a general election which will see Labour totally destroyed at the polls.

Those damned judges........not just interpreting British law but OPENLY interpreting British law. Contemptable.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Nov 16 2.50pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

He promised a referendum purely to win the GE. He didn't want one. He screwed up. He's now out. He still would have won really even if it meant a coalition again. He miscalculated.

Well I think most of us were surprised that the Tories won outright, so hardly a miscalculation and in any event it is what an awful lot of Tories wanted.

 

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