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Originally posted by Henry of Peckham
An argument that the referendum was advisory is nonsense because of our political system of "first by the post". However, nothing is done "democratically" these days. Wealth means control and so will ultimately determine the outcome. There has never been any doubt in my mind about what would happen. Inevitably, we appear to be devoid of innovation and ideas as well as the leadership to take advantage of opportunities that Brexit actually presents. Easier for the brain dead and static lard ar$e$ to whine about what happened today than think about tomorrow. Should never have had the referendum in the first place but focusing the pre-referendum debate on such a narrow set of issues was ridiculous. Not having a plan B was downright inept. Self-interest groups throwing their toys out of the pram was entirely predictable. Its a constitutional fact that referendums are advisory. We are a Parliamentary democracy.
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
I love the fact that the SNP, Labour and LibDem supporters think they can smell blood. I have two hopes... 1. We actually do have a General Election in the next 6 months because Corbyn and Farron will get battered. The Tories will have a much stronger majority. 2. The Jocks have another Independence Referendum and the SNP get their wish - a Yes majority..... give it less than 10 years and they will be worse off than Greece financially.
Almost the perfect storm - maybe not quite what she wanted a couple of months ago, but go to the country now and seriously increase her majority. I wonder how many will support an early dissolution.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I don't understand Stephen Phillips MP resignation. If it is going to parliament then he will be able to debate and represent his constituents. Isn't that the purpose of being an MP? Doesn't he like being whipped?
As I understand it - and doubtless there is much to come out but Phillips disagrees with May's attempts to bypass Parliament. He tends to think that leaving the EU is supposed to give power to Parliament not avoid by using the royal prerogative.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
The public have had their say on what they think of Labour policy and with your current idiot in charge you will be lucky to finish third next time. I wasn't talking about Labour, but you go on and avoid my point.
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Originally posted by chris123
Almost the perfect storm - maybe not quite what she wanted a couple of months ago, but go to the country now and seriously increase her majority. I wonder how many will support an early dissolution. It will be interesting seeing her try to get a repeal of the Fixed Term Parliament Act through the Lords so she can have her panic election.
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If it was one of your lot they would probably be asking President Putin to do it.
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Originally posted by chris123
The Tories have rarely agreed on Europe, so I think he was brave, and when he lost he did the honourable thing. That's one point of view ... I think it's more likely Cameron realised he'd f****d up big time and got the hell out of it! However, there are equally inept individuals on both sides of the great divide who realised they were out of their depth after the referendum result and who have disappeared into the background or quit.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well, what do you intend or would like to replace capitalism with then? For that is what has spawned all the above. The darling economic system of the right-wing. If you want a revolution that's great but you must have a plan. A cunning plan. Real capitalism and real free-markets would be a start, not the current crock of manipulated b-llocks that we have had forced upon us by 'the elite'.
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
If it was one of your lot they would probably be asking President Putin to do it. ?
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Its a constitutional fact that referendums are advisory. We are a Parliamentary democracy. We are, but unfortunately Parliament didn't step in to define the process before the referendum took place nor stop it because a decision reached by a democratic majority might undermine their authority. The 2016 referendum should never have happened!!! But we can still be like Eire and keep having farcical referendums until we get the predetermined outcome by "democracy"! Observers on the continent of Europe must truly be pi$$ing themselves laughing? Personally, I'd prefer to play the long game and have full discussion on the issues and alternatives. I don't know why we have to bow to pressure to invoke Article 50 in the short-term other than to appease Europe, markets and self-interest groups. Did we sign up to any time line? Edited by Henry of Peckham (04 Nov 2016 7.08pm)
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Originally posted by Sedlescombe
Its a constitutional fact that referendums are advisory. We are a Parliamentary democracy. Don't forget that Parliament approved the referendum in May last year by a massive majority in the Commons.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
It's a shambles. No if's nor but's. Yet you still hear people saying 'let's get on with it and do it now' as if it weren't. They are idiots. And they want us to follow their lead without protest or scrutiny and accept 'the democratic voice'. Fvck that.
Edited by Kermit8 (04 Nov 2016 8.07pm) Yeah, democracy is a bitch when you don't get your own way, isn't it Michael? Still, you can scream and scream and scream and virtue signal what a superior person you are to the 52% who opposed you.
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Originally posted by matt_himself
Yeah, democracy is a bitch when you don't get your own way, isn't it Michael? Still, you can scream and scream and scream and virtue signal what a superior person you are to the 52% who opposed you.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Cease playing the victim, Michael. What you have said comes over as patronising and dismissive of the process. Unfortunately that has been a characteristic of the Remain camp since June 24. The fact is, it has happened. It is unprecedented, it is the Will of the majority and it is a fiendishly complicated process. Saying there is no plan is incorrect. I believe there was contingency created by the civil service for either outcome. However, this will be a long process because there is a negotiation process that will not be straight forward. Some of it will be secret. You don't show your hand until necessary. Understanding of this processneeds to be conveyed to the public, I grant you. But cease this 'misanthrope' and 'extreme right' bollocks. You know it ain't true.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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How has matt_himself come across as extreme right?
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