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Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 04 Nov 16 2.51pm

Originally posted by Henry of Peckham

An argument that the referendum was advisory is nonsense because of our political system of "first by the post".

However, nothing is done "democratically" these days. Wealth means control and so will ultimately determine the outcome. There has never been any doubt in my mind about what would happen.

Inevitably, we appear to be devoid of innovation and ideas as well as the leadership to take advantage of opportunities that Brexit actually presents. Easier for the brain dead and static lard ar$e$ to whine about what happened today than think about tomorrow.

Should never have had the referendum in the first place but focusing the pre-referendum debate on such a narrow set of issues was ridiculous. Not having a plan B was downright inept. Self-interest groups throwing their toys out of the pram was entirely predictable.

Its a constitutional fact that referendums are advisory. We are a Parliamentary democracy.

 

chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Nov 16 2.58pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

I love the fact that the SNP, Labour and LibDem supporters think they can smell blood.

I have two hopes...

1. We actually do have a General Election in the next 6 months because Corbyn and Farron will get battered. The Tories will have a much stronger majority.

2. The Jocks have another Independence Referendum and the SNP get their wish - a Yes majority..... give it less than 10 years and they will be worse off than Greece financially.

Almost the perfect storm - maybe not quite what she wanted a couple of months ago, but go to the country now and seriously increase her majority. I wonder how many will support an early dissolution.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Nov 16 3.07pm

I don't understand Stephen Phillips MP resignation.

If it is going to parliament then he will be able to debate and represent his constituents.

Isn't that the purpose of being an MP?

Doesn't he like being whipped?

 

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 04 Nov 16 3.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I don't understand Stephen Phillips MP resignation.

If it is going to parliament then he will be able to debate and represent his constituents.

Isn't that the purpose of being an MP?

Doesn't he like being whipped?

As I understand it - and doubtless there is much to come out but Phillips disagrees with May's attempts to bypass Parliament. He tends to think that leaving the EU is supposed to give power to Parliament not avoid by using the royal prerogative.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 3.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The public have had their say on what they think of Labour policy and with your current idiot in charge you will be lucky to finish third next time.

I wasn't talking about Labour, but you go on and avoid my point.

 

Sedlescombe Flag Sedlescombe 04 Nov 16 3.35pm

Originally posted by chris123

Almost the perfect storm - maybe not quite what she wanted a couple of months ago, but go to the country now and seriously increase her majority. I wonder how many will support an early dissolution.

It will be interesting seeing her try to get a repeal of the Fixed Term Parliament Act through the Lords so she can have her panic election.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 3.54pm

Oh dear...

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 04 Nov 16 4.02pm

This is a new one on me and I read the Guardian this morning forecasting an early election.

So this is a Cameron thing to drag out his govt. for the full 5 years but isn't it also tieing them down?.

Could well be a lib-dem and labour recovery by then may even be sensible but I need a rain-check on that.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Nov 16 4.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Oh dear...

If it was one of your lot they would probably be asking President Putin to do it.

 

Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 04 Nov 16 6.11pm

Originally posted by chris123

The Tories have rarely agreed on Europe, so I think he was brave, and when he lost he did the honourable thing.

That's one point of view ... I think it's more likely Cameron realised he'd f****d up big time and got the hell out of it!

However, there are equally inept individuals on both sides of the great divide who realised they were out of their depth after the referendum result and who have disappeared into the background or quit.

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

.TUX. Flag 04 Nov 16 6.20pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Well, what do you intend or would like to replace capitalism with then? For that is what has spawned all the above. The darling economic system of the right-wing.

If you want a revolution that's great but you must have a plan. A cunning plan.

Real capitalism and real free-markets would be a start, not the current crock of manipulated b-llocks that we have had forced upon us by 'the elite'.



 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 6.28pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If it was one of your lot they would probably be asking President Putin to do it.

?

 

Henry of Peckham Flag Eton Mess 04 Nov 16 6.38pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Its a constitutional fact that referendums are advisory. We are a Parliamentary democracy.

We are, but unfortunately Parliament didn't step in to define the process before the referendum took place nor stop it because a decision reached by a democratic majority might undermine their authority.

The 2016 referendum should never have happened!!! But we can still be like Eire and keep having farcical referendums until we get the predetermined outcome by "democracy"!

Observers on the continent of Europe must truly be pi$$ing themselves laughing? Personally, I'd prefer to play the long game and have full discussion on the issues and alternatives. I don't know why we have to bow to pressure to invoke Article 50 in the short-term other than to appease Europe, markets and self-interest groups. Did we sign up to any time line?

Edited by Henry of Peckham (04 Nov 2016 7.08pm)

 


Denial is not just a river in Egypt

chris123 Flag hove actually 04 Nov 16 7.00pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Its a constitutional fact that referendums are advisory. We are a Parliamentary democracy.

Don't forget that Parliament approved the referendum in May last year by a massive majority in the Commons.

 

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 04 Nov 16 7.59pm

Let's face it, this referendum has been really badly thought out. Didn't any of the leavers realise the fact that triggering a50 needed rubber stamping by parliament.

As it is it stops us rushing into brexit and taking a more sensible and pragmatic approach rather than following the whims of the press.

The (owned by elite foreigner) sun really took the piss out of their readers today by moaning about the woman who brought the case to court because she is part of the foreign elite!

How the f*** is the s*** stirring, rage and anger inducing tripe we see in the likes of the mail express et al helping us to the best outcome?

Edited by nickgusset (04 Nov 2016 8.10pm)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 16 8.04pm

It's a shambles. No if's nor but's. Yet you still hear people saying 'let's get on with it and do it now' as if it weren't. They are idiots. And they want us to follow their lead without protest or scrutiny and accept 'the democratic voice'. Fvck that.


Kudos to the extreme right though who know exactly what they are doing - the manipulative, bigoted misanthropes.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 Nov 2016 8.07pm)

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 04 Nov 16 8.23pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

It's a shambles. No if's nor but's. Yet you still hear people saying 'let's get on with it and do it now' as if it weren't. They are idiots. And they want us to follow their lead without protest or scrutiny and accept 'the democratic voice'. Fvck that.


Kudos to the extreme right though who know exactly what they are doing - the manipulative, bigoted misanthropes.

Edited by Kermit8 (04 Nov 2016 8.07pm)

Yeah, democracy is a bitch when you don't get your own way, isn't it Michael?

Still, you can scream and scream and scream and virtue signal what a superior person you are to the 52% who opposed you.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 04 Nov 16 8.28pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Yeah, democracy is a bitch when you don't get your own way, isn't it Michael?

Still, you can scream and scream and scream and virtue signal what a superior person you are to the 52% who opposed you.


I've just been pleasant and given you some kudos and all you can do is bitch back at me.

 


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matt_himself Flag Matataland 04 Nov 16 8.43pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


I've just been pleasant and given you some kudos and all you can do is bitch back at me.

Cease playing the victim, Michael.

What you have said comes over as patronising and dismissive of the process.

Unfortunately that has been a characteristic of the Remain camp since June 24.

The fact is, it has happened. It is unprecedented, it is the Will of the majority and it is a fiendishly complicated process.

Saying there is no plan is incorrect. I believe there was contingency created by the civil service for either outcome. However, this will be a long process because there is a negotiation process that will not be straight forward. Some of it will be secret. You don't show your hand until necessary. Understanding of this processneeds to be conveyed to the public, I grant you.

But cease this 'misanthrope' and 'extreme right' bollocks. You know it ain't true.

 


"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Part Time James Flag 04 Nov 16 8.59pm

How has matt_himself come across as extreme right?

 




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