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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 1.34pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brexit is gone drag it out as long as you like but it has gone.

There may be a fudge and flag-waving but that's all it could possibly be now IMO.

Instead we can be as we are in a strong power bloc and being 'strong and stable'.

Now where did I hear that????

Does make me laugh when the left want to be in the EU. The EU 'regulations' (ie: dictats on how you run your own country) would make Labour's nationalisation plans practically impossible to implement. The EU is a capitalist, price fixing, market rigging, cartel, not an engine of socialism.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 11 Jun 17 2.02pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Of course it is a mess - from all points of view. The Tories need to appoint another leader as soon as possible and then call another general election as soon as possible after that.

Agree current situation undesirable and untenable from both sides of the political spectrum.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 2.17pm

Brush ourselves down lift ourselves up with a new government led by Jeremy Corbyn.

People from different political persuasions encouraged to join but for the many not the few.

I don't think the elderly should be gassed necessarily as I am becoming one.

 

Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 11 Jun 17 3.01pm

More embarrassment for Labour.

[Link]

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 3.18pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Brush ourselves down lift ourselves up with a new government led by Jeremy Corbyn.

People from different political persuasions encouraged to join but for the many not the few.

I don't think the elderly should be gassed necessarily as I am becoming one.

There might be a short term improvement for the many, but unfortunately, in the mid to long term, the living standards of everyone would fall with Corbyn's left wing policies. Such policies have always failed wherever they have been tried and always will. We need less government and let free markets help to enrich everyone.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Romford-Eagle Flag Romford 11 Jun 17 3.40pm

Lets be honest, Labour knew they had no chance of winning, so thought they would put spanner in the works by issuing popular policies to get the young voting for them, like scrapping university fees, re-nationalising the railways and pumping millions into a failed NHS system, can you imagine if Labour won the election, Corbyn would be s***ting his pants now, knowing he has no way to pay for these ilconceived polices.....

 

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 11 Jun 17 3.40pm

Originally posted by Willo

We Conservatives are NOT in a "Mess" at all but of course these are challenging times for us.
The situation overall is unsatisfactory for the country and this is not the election result we Conservatives wanted but let's NOT forget we are the largest party with nearly 60 seats more than Labour, polled more votes and had a higher % of the vote than for many years.But I fully accept that both the manifesto and national campaign was pretty awful and I have mentioned this before.Certainly contributed to providing Labour with more seats.

I totally disagree that Theresa May called the election for the reasons you stated.She called the election to try and get a larger mandate for when she went into complex and protracted Brexit negotiations and I can totally understand her reasons for doing so.

You would think that Labour had WON the election ! As mentioned they are NOT the largest party and could not realistically form a majority with other parties.It is totally arrogant for them to say they could form a minority Government - It would be a mess just like it would be if they had got in power with their fantasy promises.

I'll leave it at this otherwise it will disintegrate into yet another WILLO thread.Will give this 'General Election' thread a miss from now on.

Edited by Willo (11 Jun 2017 11.42am)

Cheered up a bit but this is not what you said 2 days ago.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 11 Jun 17 3.41pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

More embarrassment for Labour.

[Link]

I thought we could not trust Clinton's email sever, oh the irony.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 11 Jun 17 3.43pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Kudos. At least he didn't feel the need to wear a balaclava.

It is not like the SAS were after him; they probably handed him the weapon and took the photo.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Jun 17 3.43pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There might be a short term improvement for the many, but unfortunately, in the mid to long term, the living standards of everyone would fall with Corbyn's left wing policies. Such policies have always failed wherever they have been tried and always will. We need less government and let free markets help to enrich everyone.

To be honest, you said that a Corbyn led Labour would disintegrate and their vote would collapse (I paraphrase) so forgive me if I don't take what you say too seriously.

 

davidpercival Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 3.49pm

The Tories cannot get out of the situation they have got themselves into whatever they do. The price for getting the DUP on board will be loads of cash for Northern Ireland. If it is not given to Scotland as well the new Scots Tory MPs will be up in arms (especially as they are social liberals who want nothing to do with the anti gay, anti abortion DUP). The Tories whole case for the last 7 years has been that we must cut public expenditure. If they start lashing out just to keep the Orangemen happy they will destroy what little credibility they have left. In any case the DUP will not go along with Tory cuts to pensions, NHS, police etc, so what can be the basis of any agreement between them other than they don't want Corbyn in No.10?

 

pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 11 Jun 17 3.53pm

free markets - the markets have never been free in modern times. A right wing term to have ago at so called planed economies but all economies are planned.

It is all about who reaps the benefits from the economy.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 3.54pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

To be honest, you said that a Corbyn led Labour would disintegrate and their vote would collapse (I paraphrase) so forgive me if I don't take what you say too seriously.

Did I? can't remember, but most people thought that. Clearly he did a lot better than expected. But May's campaign was so, so bad that a Labour party led by a more moderate leadership would surely have won.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jun 17 3.57pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

To be honest, you said that a Corbyn led Labour would disintegrate and their vote would collapse (I paraphrase) so forgive me if I don't take what you say too seriously.

Maybe it will after a few years of leadership. Inflation, higher interest rates, loss of home owner votes, temporary young votes.

I spoke to a young voter who admitted he was bribed but said who wouldn't?

There is the argument they're out of the job market in education and facing a tough job market through Brexit so why not again. My words, not his.

 


COYP

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jun 17 3.58pm

Tony Blair piped up after this election 'success' after him knocking it?

 


COYP

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 11 Jun 17 4.00pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

More embarrassment for Labour.

[Link]

New Labour is dead

 

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 11 Jun 17 4.05pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

There might be a short term improvement for the many, but unfortunately, in the mid to long term, the living standards of everyone would fall with Corbyn's left wing policies. Such policies have always failed wherever they have been tried and always will. We need less government and let free markets help to enrich everyone.

Neo Liberal economics has failed. So called free markets rarely help everyone as they are never perfect and open to manipulation by the owners of assets and rent seeking. Reducing inequality and following new Keynesian fiscal policy is a far more appropriate way of managing a modern economy. Such policies have often succeeded with multiple examples from post GFC and from developed social economies around the world. It is this government's economics that has failed.

 

Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Jun 17 4.08pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

New Labour is hibernating.

EFA

 


COYP

hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 11 Jun 17 4.31pm

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

Neo Liberal economics has failed. So called free markets rarely help everyone as they are never perfect and open to manipulation by the owners of assets and rent seeking. Reducing inequality and following new Keynesian fiscal policy is a far more appropriate way of managing a modern economy. Such policies have often succeeded with multiple examples from post GFC and from developed social economies around the world. It is this government's economics that has failed.

Since ‘so called free market’ forces, as you call them - price, profit and loss, supply and demand – will no longer direct the action of people in a socialist Britain, they will have to be directed by another hand – that of the state, applied in detail by commissions, committees, officials, rules, orders and regulations. Everywhere where this approach has been attempted, it has failed.

 


We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 11 Jun 17 5.32pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Since ‘so called free market’ forces, as you call them - price, profit and loss, supply and demand – will no longer direct the action of people in a socialist Britain, they will have to be directed by another hand – that of the state, applied in detail by commissions, committees, officials, rules, orders and regulations. Everywhere where this approach has been attempted, it has failed.

That's not what anyone is suggesting! New Keynesian economics. Look it up.

 

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