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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brexit is gone drag it out as long as you like but it has gone. There may be a fudge and flag-waving but that's all it could possibly be now IMO. Instead we can be as we are in a strong power bloc and being 'strong and stable'. Now where did I hear that???? Does make me laugh when the left want to be in the EU. The EU 'regulations' (ie: dictats on how you run your own country) would make Labour's nationalisation plans practically impossible to implement. The EU is a capitalist, price fixing, market rigging, cartel, not an engine of socialism.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Of course it is a mess - from all points of view. The Tories need to appoint another leader as soon as possible and then call another general election as soon as possible after that. Agree current situation undesirable and untenable from both sides of the political spectrum.
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More embarrassment for Labour.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Brush ourselves down lift ourselves up with a new government led by Jeremy Corbyn. People from different political persuasions encouraged to join but for the many not the few. I don't think the elderly should be gassed necessarily as I am becoming one. There might be a short term improvement for the many, but unfortunately, in the mid to long term, the living standards of everyone would fall with Corbyn's left wing policies. Such policies have always failed wherever they have been tried and always will. We need less government and let free markets help to enrich everyone.
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Originally posted by Willo
We Conservatives are NOT in a "Mess" at all but of course these are challenging times for us. I totally disagree that Theresa May called the election for the reasons you stated.She called the election to try and get a larger mandate for when she went into complex and protracted Brexit negotiations and I can totally understand her reasons for doing so. You would think that Labour had WON the election ! As mentioned they are NOT the largest party and could not realistically form a majority with other parties.It is totally arrogant for them to say they could form a minority Government - It would be a mess just like it would be if they had got in power with their fantasy promises. I'll leave it at this otherwise it will disintegrate into yet another WILLO thread.Will give this 'General Election' thread a miss from now on. Edited by Willo (11 Jun 2017 11.42am) Cheered up a bit but this is not what you said 2 days ago.
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Kudos. At least he didn't feel the need to wear a balaclava. It is not like the SAS were after him; they probably handed him the weapon and took the photo.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
There might be a short term improvement for the many, but unfortunately, in the mid to long term, the living standards of everyone would fall with Corbyn's left wing policies. Such policies have always failed wherever they have been tried and always will. We need less government and let free markets help to enrich everyone. To be honest, you said that a Corbyn led Labour would disintegrate and their vote would collapse (I paraphrase) so forgive me if I don't take what you say too seriously.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
To be honest, you said that a Corbyn led Labour would disintegrate and their vote would collapse (I paraphrase) so forgive me if I don't take what you say too seriously. Did I? can't remember, but most people thought that. Clearly he did a lot better than expected. But May's campaign was so, so bad that a Labour party led by a more moderate leadership would surely have won.
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Originally posted by nickgusset
To be honest, you said that a Corbyn led Labour would disintegrate and their vote would collapse (I paraphrase) so forgive me if I don't take what you say too seriously. Maybe it will after a few years of leadership. Inflation, higher interest rates, loss of home owner votes, temporary young votes. I spoke to a young voter who admitted he was bribed but said who wouldn't? There is the argument they're out of the job market in education and facing a tough job market through Brexit so why not again. My words, not his.
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Tony Blair piped up after this election 'success' after him knocking it?
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New Labour is dead
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
There might be a short term improvement for the many, but unfortunately, in the mid to long term, the living standards of everyone would fall with Corbyn's left wing policies. Such policies have always failed wherever they have been tried and always will. We need less government and let free markets help to enrich everyone. Neo Liberal economics has failed. So called free markets rarely help everyone as they are never perfect and open to manipulation by the owners of assets and rent seeking. Reducing inequality and following new Keynesian fiscal policy is a far more appropriate way of managing a modern economy. Such policies have often succeeded with multiple examples from post GFC and from developed social economies around the world. It is this government's economics that has failed.
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
New Labour is hibernating. EFA
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Neo Liberal economics has failed. So called free markets rarely help everyone as they are never perfect and open to manipulation by the owners of assets and rent seeking. Reducing inequality and following new Keynesian fiscal policy is a far more appropriate way of managing a modern economy. Such policies have often succeeded with multiple examples from post GFC and from developed social economies around the world. It is this government's economics that has failed. Since ‘so called free market’ forces, as you call them - price, profit and loss, supply and demand – will no longer direct the action of people in a socialist Britain, they will have to be directed by another hand – that of the state, applied in detail by commissions, committees, officials, rules, orders and regulations. Everywhere where this approach has been attempted, it has failed.
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Since ‘so called free market’ forces, as you call them - price, profit and loss, supply and demand – will no longer direct the action of people in a socialist Britain, they will have to be directed by another hand – that of the state, applied in detail by commissions, committees, officials, rules, orders and regulations. Everywhere where this approach has been attempted, it has failed. That's not what anyone is suggesting! New Keynesian economics. Look it up.
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