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cryrst The garden of England 24 Jul 24 9.31pm
Originally posted by puncheon_judy I worked for the BBC for many years and I would agree that the institution takes its responsibilities very seriously. And so it should, but it doesn’t mean it’s unbiased.

cryrst

The garden of England 24 Jul 24 9.31pm

Originally posted by puncheon_judy

I worked for the BBC for many years and I would agree that the institution takes its responsibilities very seriously.

And so it should, but it doesn’t mean it’s unbiased.

puncheon_judy 24 Jul 24 9.37pm
Originally posted by cryrst And so it should, but it doesn’t mean it’s unbiased. Well in all my years of broadcast at the BBC there was only one moment I felt that a producer was being biased, and even then I'm not sure it was bias but more sensationalist.

puncheon_judy

24 Jul 24 9.37pm

Originally posted by cryrst

And so it should, but it doesn’t mean it’s unbiased.

Well in all my years of broadcast at the BBC there was only one moment I felt that a producer was being biased, and even then I'm not sure it was bias but more sensationalist.

Stirlingsays 24 Jul 24 9.51pm
Seemingly a friend for every situation. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

24 Jul 24 9.51pm

Seemingly a friend for every situation.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

puncheon_judy 24 Jul 24 10.48pm
I'm not sure it's possible to come across as unbiased to the people who complain about the BBC's impartiality. You can't please puritanical millenials & gen-z, whilst appeasing reductive and belittling boomers. Both groups are the types of people who nit pick at poor spelling mistakes to undermine a point, rather than take the time to understand where the other is coming from and engage in a healthy dialogue. The fact that neither of those camps are happy is probably a fair indication that the silent majority in the UK are actually quite happy with the balance of the BBC's reporting. As the saying goes "being the loudest person in the room, doesn't make you right"

puncheon_judy

24 Jul 24 10.48pm

I'm not sure it's possible to come across as unbiased to the people who complain about the BBC's impartiality.

You can't please puritanical millenials & gen-z, whilst appeasing reductive and belittling boomers.

Both groups are the types of people who nit pick at poor spelling mistakes to undermine a point, rather than take the time to understand where the other is coming from and engage in a healthy dialogue.

The fact that neither of those camps are happy is probably a fair indication that the silent majority in the UK are actually quite happy with the balance of the BBC's reporting.

As the saying goes "being the loudest person in the room, doesn't make you right"

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 24 10.50pm
Originally posted by puncheon_judy I worked for the BBC for many years and I would agree that the institution takes its responsibilities very seriously. Thanks for the confirmation. What some here fail to realise is the difference between individual beliefs and corporate responsibility. They also get upset that their biases are not given the prominence they think they deserve. I think it’s obvious that the BBC strive for balance and that, as professionals, their employees leave their personal beliefs at home. My friend who used to work for the Mail is no fan of the populist right, but he knew what was required of him to do his job. He didn’t own the paper. He worked for it. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 24 Jul 24 10.50pm

Originally posted by puncheon_judy

I worked for the BBC for many years and I would agree that the institution takes its responsibilities very seriously.

Thanks for the confirmation.

What some here fail to realise is the difference between individual beliefs and corporate responsibility. They also get upset that their biases are not given the prominence they think they deserve.

I think it’s obvious that the BBC strive for balance and that, as professionals, their employees leave their personal beliefs at home.

My friend who used to work for the Mail is no fan of the populist right, but he knew what was required of him to do his job. He didn’t own the paper. He worked for it.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

HKOwen Hong Kong 24 Jul 24 11.45pm
Originally posted by puncheon_judy Well in all my years of broadcast at the BBC there was only one moment I felt that a producer was being biased, and even then I'm not sure it was bias but more sensationalist. How was life in the weather department? All those maps and symbols Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 24 Jul 24 11.45pm

Originally posted by puncheon_judy

Well in all my years of broadcast at the BBC there was only one moment I felt that a producer was being biased, and even then I'm not sure it was bias but more sensationalist.

How was life in the weather department? All those maps and symbols

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 12.49am
Originally posted by puncheon_judy Well in all my years of broadcast at the BBC there was only one moment I felt that a producer was being biased, and even then I'm not sure it was bias but more sensationalist. Joking aside , are we supposed to take a post from someone who claims to have worked at the BBC , no mention of department or period etc, and is an opinion, as some kind of proof the BBC is fine and dandy. For anyone to treat such a post as confirmation of their bizarre opinion is doubling down on bizarre. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 12.49am

Originally posted by puncheon_judy

Well in all my years of broadcast at the BBC there was only one moment I felt that a producer was being biased, and even then I'm not sure it was bias but more sensationalist.

Joking aside , are we supposed to take a post from someone who claims to have worked at the BBC , no mention of department or period etc, and is an opinion, as some kind of proof the BBC is fine and dandy.

For anyone to treat such a post as confirmation of their bizarre opinion is doubling down on bizarre.

Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 24 11.07am
Originally posted by HKOwen Joking aside , are we supposed to take a post from someone who claims to have worked at the BBC , no mention of department or period etc, and is an opinion, as some kind of proof the BBC is fine and dandy. For anyone to treat such a post as confirmation of their bizarre opinion is doubling down on bizarre. Funny isn’t it. If it suits an agenda the word is gospel

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Jul 24 11.07am

Originally posted by HKOwen

For anyone to treat such a post as confirmation of their bizarre opinion is doubling down on bizarre.

Funny isn’t it. If it suits an agenda the word is gospel

Spiderman Horsham 25 Jul 24 11.08am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Thanks for the confirmation. What some here fail to realise is the difference between individual beliefs and corporate responsibility. They also get upset that their biases are not given the prominence they think they deserve. I think it’s obvious that the BBC strive for balance and that, as professionals, their employees leave their personal beliefs at home. My friend who used to work for the Mail is no fan of the populist right, but he knew what was required of him to do his job. He didn’t own the paper. He worked for it. Leave their personal beliefs at home!

Spiderman

Horsham 25 Jul 24 11.08am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Thanks for the confirmation.

What some here fail to realise is the difference between individual beliefs and corporate responsibility. They also get upset that their biases are not given the prominence they think they deserve.

I think it’s obvious that the BBC strive for balance and that, as professionals, their employees leave their personal beliefs at home.

My friend who used to work for the Mail is no fan of the populist right, but he knew what was required of him to do his job. He didn’t own the paper. He worked for it.

Leave their personal beliefs at home!

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 11.35am
Originally posted by puncheon_judy I'm not sure it's possible to come across as unbiased to the people who complain about the BBC's impartiality. You can't please puritanical millenials & gen-z, whilst appeasing reductive and belittling boomers. Both groups are the types of people who nit pick at poor spelling mistakes to undermine a point, rather than take the time to understand where the other is coming from and engage in a healthy dialogue. The fact that neither of those camps are happy is probably a fair indication that the silent majority in the UK are actually quite happy with the balance of the BBC's reporting. As the saying goes "being the loudest person in the room, doesn't make you right" Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality. It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Jul 24 11.35am

Originally posted by puncheon_judy

I'm not sure it's possible to come across as unbiased to the people who complain about the BBC's impartiality.

You can't please puritanical millenials & gen-z, whilst appeasing reductive and belittling boomers.

The fact that neither of those camps are happy is probably a fair indication that the silent majority in the UK are actually quite happy with the balance of the BBC's reporting.

As the saying goes "being the loudest person in the room, doesn't make you right"

Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality.

It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil.

Stirlingsays 25 Jul 24 12.02pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality. It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil. I don't. However, I think your sneering here deserves a comment. Let's us not forget that most of those you refer to here feel bullied into paying for a BBC licence (that doesn't represent their opinions)....but yet you criticise them for using it when convenient? The BBC deliberately bully people on payment and continue to threaten them even if they leave the service like myself. So I'd say that if using some links from a service that looks down on them is considered bad form then I'd make the observation that the return on their investment is even more scant and unjustified. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Jul 24 12.02pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality.

I don't.

However, I think your sneering here deserves a comment. Let's us not forget that most of those you refer to here feel bullied into paying for a BBC licence (that doesn't represent their opinions)....but yet you criticise them for using it when convenient?

The BBC deliberately bully people on payment and continue to threaten them even if they leave the service like myself.

So I'd say that if using some links from a service that looks down on them is considered bad form then I'd make the observation that the return on their investment is even more scant and unjustified.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 12.14pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I don't. However, I think your sneering here deserves a comment. Let's us not forget that most of those you refer to here feel bullied into paying for a BBC licence (that doesn't represent their opinions)....but yet you criticise them for using it when convenient? The BBC deliberately bully people on payment and continue to threaten them even if they leave the service like myself. So I'd say that if using some links from a service that looks down on them is considered bad form then I'd make the observation that the return on their investment is even more scant and unjustified. No, you don't. I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point. It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Jul 24 12.14pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't.

The BBC deliberately bully people on payment and continue to threaten them even if they leave the service like myself.

So I'd say that if using some links from a service that looks down on them is considered bad form then I'd make the observation that the return on their investment is even more scant and unjustified.

No, you don't.

I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point.

It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 25 Jul 24 12.37pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Leave their personal beliefs at home! Any who don’t quickly find out why they must. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 25 Jul 24 12.37pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Leave their personal beliefs at home!

Any who don’t quickly find out why they must.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Stirlingsays 25 Jul 24 1.10pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow No, you don't. I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point. It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising. Ok, I'll accept you weren't sneering. The BBC are given a huge advantage over other mediums and as we are mostly boomers and Gen X here we were all raised by the Beeb....the one in the eighties that I personally remember was a quite different organisation and old habits die hard. Personally I don't find the return on investment a weak point at all. The modern day BBC absolutely do look down on conservativism and the unhappiness with the organization is I'm afraid terminal....as the declining figures show every year. The model just doesn't work for many, younger and older, quite often it's even nothing to do with the classism and politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2024 1.14pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

25 Jul 24 1.10pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No, you don't.

I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point.

It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising.

Ok, I'll accept you weren't sneering.

The BBC are given a huge advantage over other mediums and as we are mostly boomers and Gen X here we were all raised by the Beeb....the one in the eighties that I personally remember was a quite different organisation and old habits die hard.

Personally I don't find the return on investment a weak point at all. The modern day BBC absolutely do look down on conservativism and the unhappiness with the organization is I'm afraid terminal....as the declining figures show every year.

The model just doesn't work for many, younger and older, quite often it's even nothing to do with the classism and politics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2024 1.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Teddy Eagle 25 Jul 24 1.29pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality. It's incredible how many on here claim to despise the BBC but seem to spend much of their free time trawling through links to find things to criticise. Many seem to still use it as their primary news source, whilst of course claiming it's the work of the devil. It's not so much trawling to find links to criticise as using a source regarded as sacrosanct knowing it might still be dismissed but not out of hand because of its origin.

Teddy Eagle

25 Jul 24 1.29pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Quite - they want something which projects their own biases; it's not about impartiality.

It's not so much trawling to find links to criticise as using a source regarded as sacrosanct knowing it might still be dismissed but not out of hand because of its origin.

HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 1.31pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow No, you don't. I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point. It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising. Investment? Please explain how the licence fee is an investment Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 1.31pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No, you don't.

I'm not sneering at anyone, I made an observation - it has little to do with people looking for a return on their investment - I find that a very weak point.

It is evidently where a lot of people still go to get their news, despite claiming to despise it. I find that surprising.

Investment? Please explain how the licence fee is an investment

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 1.36pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It's not so much trawling to find links to criticise as using a source regarded as sacrosanct knowing it might still be dismissed but not out of hand because of its origin. I think that's a fair observation - but I still find it interesting that the BBC is regarded as sacrosanct, despite the extensive criticisms you read. For what it's worth, I agree with that view; it's a reliable, credible source of news.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Jul 24 1.36pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's not so much trawling to find links to criticise as using a source regarded as sacrosanct knowing it might still be dismissed but not out of hand because of its origin.

I think that's a fair observation - but I still find it interesting that the BBC is regarded as sacrosanct, despite the extensive criticisms you read.

For what it's worth, I agree with that view; it's a reliable, credible source of news.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 1.37pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Investment? Please explain how the licence fee is an investment Feel free to ask the person who introduced that idea to the thread.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Jul 24 1.37pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Investment? Please explain how the licence fee is an investment

Feel free to ask the person who introduced that idea to the thread.

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 25 Jul 24 1.40pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Ok, I'll accept you weren't sneering. The BBC are given a huge advantage over other mediums and as we are mostly boomers and Gen X here we were all raised by the Beeb....the one in the eighties that I personally remember was a quite different organisation and old habits die hard. Personally I don't find the return on investment a weak point at all. The modern day BBC absolutely do look down on conservativism and the unhappiness with the organization is I'm afraid terminal....as the declining figures show every year. The model just doesn't work for many, younger and older, quite often it's even nothing to do with the classism and politics. Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2024 1.14pm) I think the bit in bold is closer to it - that does still make an interesting dynamic where people express strong views against the BBC whilst clearly still seeing some value in it's reporting. I agree with you it's important to distinguish between criticisms of the model, and allegations of bias, in these exchanges - I think there are many reasonable criticisms of the model.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 25 Jul 24 1.40pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Ok, I'll accept you weren't sneering.

The BBC are given a huge advantage over other mediums and as we are mostly boomers and Gen X here we were all raised by the Beeb....the one in the eighties that I personally remember was a quite different organisation and old habits die hard.

The model just doesn't work for many, younger and older, quite often it's even nothing to do with the classism and politics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2024 1.14pm)

I think the bit in bold is closer to it - that does still make an interesting dynamic where people express strong views against the BBC whilst clearly still seeing some value in it's reporting.

I agree with you it's important to distinguish between criticisms of the model, and allegations of bias, in these exchanges - I think there are many reasonable criticisms of the model.

Teddy Eagle 25 Jul 24 1.55pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I think that's a fair observation - but I still find it interesting that the BBC is regarded as sacrosanct, despite the extensive criticisms you read. For what it's worth, I agree with that view; it's a reliable, credible source of news. I should have added that it's sacrosanctity is subjective. My feeling is that criticism of it's reporting is possibly more due to it's general tenor rather than specific stories.

Teddy Eagle

25 Jul 24 1.55pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think that's a fair observation - but I still find it interesting that the BBC is regarded as sacrosanct, despite the extensive criticisms you read.

For what it's worth, I agree with that view; it's a reliable, credible source of news.

I should have added that it's sacrosanctity is subjective.
My feeling is that criticism of it's reporting is possibly more due to it's general tenor rather than specific stories.

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