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puncheon_judy 25 Jul 24 2.09pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I think the bit in bold is closer to it - that does still make an interesting dynamic where people express strong views against the BBC whilst clearly still seeing some value in it's reporting. I agree with you it's important to distinguish between criticisms of the model, and allegations of bias, in these exchanges - I think there are many reasonable criticisms of the model. I agree, the business model for the BBC doesn't work at all. Largely because content is digested very differently to how it was 40 years ago. Ironically the licence fee isn't enough to keep the BBC working in the current market, hence why they set up BBC Studios to subsidise the shortfall, and it will continue to fall behind. Their salary brackets are leagues behind other broadcasters. Most terrestrial channels have lost on average 20% of their commercial revenue in the last 12 months, which has meant that huge swathes of people are unemployed in the industry. Commissioners are very reticent to commission new projects and many are simply airing the deluge of crap that was created as a backlog during Covid in case we went back into lockdown. I personally think the BBC should reduce it's public service solely to Radio, News, Events and then fully commercialise it's Sport and Entertainment arms. Allow businesses to invest, providing they meet strict regulations that align with the BBC's Reithian values. As a worldwide organisation, very few have a stronger reputation globally. I would leverage that to attract big sponsorship packages that allow the BBC to bid again on the likes of the Premier League, the Ashes, Formula One, etc.

puncheon_judy

25 Jul 24 2.09pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I think the bit in bold is closer to it - that does still make an interesting dynamic where people express strong views against the BBC whilst clearly still seeing some value in it's reporting.

I agree with you it's important to distinguish between criticisms of the model, and allegations of bias, in these exchanges - I think there are many reasonable criticisms of the model.

I agree, the business model for the BBC doesn't work at all. Largely because content is digested very differently to how it was 40 years ago.

Ironically the licence fee isn't enough to keep the BBC working in the current market, hence why they set up BBC Studios to subsidise the shortfall, and it will continue to fall behind. Their salary brackets are leagues behind other broadcasters. Most terrestrial channels have lost on average 20% of their commercial revenue in the last 12 months, which has meant that huge swathes of people are unemployed in the industry. Commissioners are very reticent to commission new projects and many are simply airing the deluge of crap that was created as a backlog during Covid in case we went back into lockdown.

I personally think the BBC should reduce it's public service solely to Radio, News, Events and then fully commercialise it's Sport and Entertainment arms. Allow businesses to invest, providing they meet strict regulations that align with the BBC's Reithian values.

As a worldwide organisation, very few have a stronger reputation globally. I would leverage that to attract big sponsorship packages that allow the BBC to bid again on the likes of the Premier League, the Ashes, Formula One, etc.

Hrolf The Ganger 25 Jul 24 3.04pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Seemingly a friend for every situation. [Link] Narcissism is like that sometimes.

Hrolf The Ganger

25 Jul 24 3.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Seemingly a friend for every situation.

[Link]

Narcissism is like that sometimes.

HKOwen Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 10.48pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow Feel free to ask the person who introduced that idea to the thread. Sorry, I assumed you knew as you posted it Edited by HKOwen (26 Jul 2024 1.22pm) Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 25 Jul 24 10.48pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Feel free to ask the person who introduced that idea to the thread.

Sorry, I assumed you knew as you posted it

Edited by HKOwen (26 Jul 2024 1.22pm)

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

The Dolphin 29 Jul 24 4.26pm
Well done Auntie - [Link] Paid him in full for months and even gave him a pay rise. they really don't ever learn do they - this is a really bad optic and they deserve to be lambasted by the Government - but they won't be.

The Dolphin

29 Jul 24 4.26pm

Well done Auntie - [Link]
Paid him in full for months and even gave him a pay rise.
they really don't ever learn do they - this is a really bad optic and they deserve to be lambasted by the Government - but they won't be.

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Jul 24 4.41pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Well done Auntie - [Link] Paid him in full for months and even gave him a pay rise. they really don't ever learn do they - this is a really bad optic and they deserve to be lambasted by the Government - but they won't be. That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link] This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 29 Jul 24 4.41pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link]

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 24 5.17pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link] Whoever thought there would be paedos at the BBC? They must use the same recruitment agency as the Catholic church. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 24 5.17pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link]

Whoever thought there would be paedos at the BBC? They must use the same recruitment agency as the Catholic church.

Red and Blue Army!

Spiderman Horsham 29 Jul 24 5.18pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link] TBF not sure the BBC would have been aware, however he should have been sacked for the previous “misdemeanour “ [Link]

Spiderman

Horsham 29 Jul 24 5.18pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link]

TBF not sure the BBC would have been aware, however he should have been sacked for the previous “misdemeanour “

[Link]

Badger11 Beckenham 29 Jul 24 5.42pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC Whoever thought there would be paedos at the BBC? They must use the same recruitment agency as the Catholic church. No wonder he didn't want to leave the BBC he must have felt right at home. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 29 Jul 24 5.42pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Whoever thought there would be paedos at the BBC? They must use the same recruitment agency as the Catholic church.

No wonder he didn't want to leave the BBC he must have felt right at home.

One more point

The Dolphin 29 Jul 24 6.18pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link] Yes - thanks.

The Dolphin

29 Jul 24 6.18pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

That link has disappeared, is this what/who you meant . . . [Link]

Yes - thanks.

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 24 6.23pm
Originally posted by Badger11 No wonder he didn't want to leave the BBC he must have felt right at home. I wouldn't want to be in their WhatsApp groups. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 29 Jul 24 6.23pm

Originally posted by Badger11

No wonder he didn't want to leave the BBC he must have felt right at home.

I wouldn't want to be in their WhatsApp groups.

Red and Blue Army!

The Dolphin 30 Jul 24 9.57am
The BBC barely reporting the loss of the winter fuel allowance. Had Jeremy Hunt done this it would have been front page news!

The Dolphin

30 Jul 24 9.57am

The BBC barely reporting the loss of the winter fuel allowance.
Had Jeremy Hunt done this it would have been front page news!

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jul 24 10.28am
Originally posted by The Dolphin The BBC barely reporting the loss of the winter fuel allowance. Had Jeremy Hunt done this it would have been front page news! I've just gone on the BBC News home page and it's the headline story other than the horrific Southport story. Get a grip.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 30 Jul 24 10.28am

Originally posted by The Dolphin

The BBC barely reporting the loss of the winter fuel allowance.
Had Jeremy Hunt done this it would have been front page news!

I've just gone on the BBC News home page and it's the headline story other than the horrific Southport story.

Get a grip.

puncheon_judy 30 Jul 24 11.44am
Originally posted by Spiderman TBF not sure the BBC would have been aware, however he should have been sacked for the previous “misdemeanour “ [Link] I worked with him on a number of occasions and he was the last person I would have suspected of this kind of thing. When the internet was rife with the 'BBC presenter guessing game' at the time, he wouldn't have even factored as an option for me.

puncheon_judy

30 Jul 24 11.44am

Originally posted by Spiderman

TBF not sure the BBC would have been aware, however he should have been sacked for the previous “misdemeanour “

[Link]

I worked with him on a number of occasions and he was the last person I would have suspected of this kind of thing. When the internet was rife with the 'BBC presenter guessing game' at the time, he wouldn't have even factored as an option for me.

The Dolphin 30 Jul 24 1.24pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I've just gone on the BBC News home page and it's the headline story other than the horrific Southport story. Get a grip. It is there now but wasn't when I posted and do not be so condescending please. In any event - it hardly takes her to task does it - or maybe you haven't read it in full?

The Dolphin

30 Jul 24 1.24pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I've just gone on the BBC News home page and it's the headline story other than the horrific Southport story.

Get a grip.

It is there now but wasn't when I posted and do not be so condescending please.
In any event - it hardly takes her to task does it - or maybe you haven't read it in full?

EverybodyDannsNow SE19 30 Jul 24 1.37pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin It is there now but wasn't when I posted and do not be so condescending please. In any event - it hardly takes her to task does it - or maybe you haven't read it in full? So maybe next time take a breath and wait for the article before the 'woe is me, I'm a conservative' takes. I wonder why a BBC article wouldn't offer a strong opinion on a political decision... hmmmmmmm. Your desperation to find examples to support your view that the BBC and Labour are the worst thing in existence is very transparent, and I'm again going to highlight that you spend an inordinate amount of time on a website which you claim to despise. I don't like the Daily Mail - I don't spend any of my free time trawling their website to find more reasons to re-enforce that view.

EverybodyDannsNow

SE19 30 Jul 24 1.37pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

It is there now but wasn't when I posted and do not be so condescending please.
In any event - it hardly takes her to task does it - or maybe you haven't read it in full?

So maybe next time take a breath and wait for the article before the 'woe is me, I'm a conservative' takes.

I wonder why a BBC article wouldn't offer a strong opinion on a political decision... hmmmmmmm.

Your desperation to find examples to support your view that the BBC and Labour are the worst thing in existence is very transparent, and I'm again going to highlight that you spend an inordinate amount of time on a website which you claim to despise.

I don't like the Daily Mail - I don't spend any of my free time trawling their website to find more reasons to re-enforce that view.

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Aug 24 6.58am
Oh well another week another... [Link] One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Aug 24 6.58am

Oh well another week another...

[Link]

One more point

HKOwen Hong Kong 02 Aug 24 7.08am
The BBC has been a politically driven nepotistic horn of plenty for years for those with access to the inner circle. They cover up scandal until they are forced to go public. Total feckin disgrace Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 02 Aug 24 7.08am

The BBC has been a politically driven nepotistic horn of plenty for years for those with access to the inner circle.

They cover up scandal until they are forced to go public.

Total feckin disgrace

Badger11 Beckenham 02 Aug 24 7.10am
Why are there so any scandals at the BBC? I mean serious ones not celeb hissy fits. For an organisation of 20,000 people they have an awful lot of serious scandals, rape, sexual offences, bullying etc. So why is that? I have been thinking about this and can only conclude that it's their culture and I don't mean that the BBC knowingly hires perverts. There is a common thread to all of these scandals, the people involved believe they are untouchable and that is the fault of the BBC management. We are now hearing about Edwards inappropriate behaviour to other staff members probably he thought this was acceptable as he was the face of BBC news. Saville, Harris, Hall etc. all of these people wielded too much power so employees were scared of them. When you have that much power it is a short step from bullying to be a predator. I make no allegations against Gary Lineker but he is another example of an employee who has far too much power at the BBC and they seem unable or unwilling to reign him in. There are hundreds of people at the BBC who are paid outside of the BBC salary scale because they have convinced management that they are a special case. Once management has accepted this then they demand special treatment. For it's own good the BBC needs to address this. I would have reminded these people they only exist because of the BBC and if they want to ply their trade elsewhere they are welcome to. Any actor can read an autocue. So until the beeb crackdown on these people who think they are bigger than the corporation these scandals will continue. Edited by Badger11 (02 Aug 2024 7.11am) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 02 Aug 24 7.10am

Why are there so any scandals at the BBC? I mean serious ones not celeb hissy fits.

For an organisation of 20,000 people they have an awful lot of serious scandals, rape, sexual offences, bullying etc.

So why is that?

I have been thinking about this and can only conclude that it's their culture and I don't mean that the BBC knowingly hires perverts.

There is a common thread to all of these scandals, the people involved believe they are untouchable and that is the fault of the BBC management.

We are now hearing about Edwards inappropriate behaviour to other staff members probably he thought this was acceptable as he was the face of BBC news.

Saville, Harris, Hall etc. all of these people wielded too much power so employees were scared of them. When you have that much power it is a short step from bullying to be a predator.

I make no allegations against Gary Lineker but he is another example of an employee who has far too much power at the BBC and they seem unable or unwilling to reign him in.

There are hundreds of people at the BBC who are paid outside of the BBC salary scale because they have convinced management that they are a special case. Once management has accepted this then they demand special treatment.

For it's own good the BBC needs to address this. I would have reminded these people they only exist because of the BBC and if they want to ply their trade elsewhere they are welcome to. Any actor can read an autocue.

So until the beeb crackdown on these people who think they are bigger than the corporation these scandals will continue.

Edited by Badger11 (02 Aug 2024 7.11am)

One more point

YT Oxford 02 Aug 24 8.17am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So maybe next time take a breath and wait for the article before the 'woe is me, I'm a conservative' takes. I wonder why a BBC article wouldn't offer a strong opinion on a political decision... hmmmmmmm. Your desperation to find examples to support your view that the BBC and Labour are the worst thing in existence is very transparent, and I'm again going to highlight that you spend an inordinate amount of time on a website which you claim to despise. I don't like the Daily Mail - I don't spend any of my free time trawling their website to find more reasons to re-enforce that view. But you spend your free time trolling people who don't like the BBC. Why do you care? Does your mum work for them or something? Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

Oxford 02 Aug 24 8.17am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So maybe next time take a breath and wait for the article before the 'woe is me, I'm a conservative' takes.

I wonder why a BBC article wouldn't offer a strong opinion on a political decision... hmmmmmmm.

I don't like the Daily Mail - I don't spend any of my free time trawling their website to find more reasons to re-enforce that view.

But you spend your free time trolling people who don't like the BBC. Why do you care? Does your mum work for them or something?

Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)

The Dolphin 02 Aug 24 8.28am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So maybe next time take a breath and wait for the article before the 'woe is me, I'm a conservative' takes. I wonder why a BBC article wouldn't offer a strong opinion on a political decision... hmmmmmmm. Your desperation to find examples to support your view that the BBC and Labour are the worst thing in existence is very transparent, and I'm again going to highlight that you spend an inordinate amount of time on a website which you claim to despise. I don't like the Daily Mail - I don't spend any of my free time trawling their website to find more reasons to re-enforce that view. I will continue to do whatever I want to do in this - currently - free Country. Just because you don't like makes it even more fun! I am of an age where the BBC really meant something and for some reason, it still does. I only want to see impartial reporting and I will post on another thread shortly, where they have done just that - reported facts and questioning the outcome - very balanced - not pro or anti the Government. Have a good day.

The Dolphin

02 Aug 24 8.28am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So maybe next time take a breath and wait for the article before the 'woe is me, I'm a conservative' takes.

I wonder why a BBC article wouldn't offer a strong opinion on a political decision... hmmmmmmm.

I don't like the Daily Mail - I don't spend any of my free time trawling their website to find more reasons to re-enforce that view.

I will continue to do whatever I want to do in this - currently - free Country.
Just because you don't like makes it even more fun!
I am of an age where the BBC really meant something and for some reason, it still does.
I only want to see impartial reporting and I will post on another thread shortly, where they have done just that - reported facts and questioning the outcome - very balanced - not pro or anti the Government.
Have a good day.

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