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Ty
I couldn't be politically anymore opposite to Corbyn but at least he is a politician with conviction.
The rest have already said "tell us what you want us yo be and we will be it" which quite frankly is a crock of s***
So was Hitler.
Not really the same are they?
I agree, of course they are not. But conviction politicians tend to carry on with policies when when they are clearly going wrong, Thatcher did it with the Poll Tax.
Better to have someone who believes in something rather than nothing imo.
Poll tax wasn't actually that bad it was more a symptom of her waning powers. The old rates system was seriously flawed and no bugger had any idea what to do. It wasn't perfect but was actually better than the rates system.
I don't mind people who don't believe in anything, its the ones that believe that winning is more important than being right that concern me.
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Bravo Jezza.
Assassination or trial? Corbyn thought a trial would be better. What's wrong with that?
Would have been the same result in the end Nick - just brought forward the inevitable
"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Ty
I couldn't be politically anymore opposite to Corbyn but at least he is a politician with conviction.
The rest have already said "tell us what you want us yo be and we will be it" which quite frankly is a crock of s***
So was Hitler.
Not really the same are they?
I agree, of course they are not. But conviction politicians tend to carry on with policies when when they are clearly going wrong, Thatcher did it with the Poll Tax.
Better to have someone who believes in something rather than nothing imo.
Poll tax wasn't actually that bad it was more a symptom of her waning powers. The old rates system was seriously flawed and no bugger had any idea what to do. It wasn't perfect but was actually better than the rates system.
I don't mind people who don't believe in anything, its the ones that believe that winning is more important than being right that concern me.
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Bravo Jezza.
Assassination or trial? Corbyn thought a trial would be better. What's wrong with that?
I don't know nick lets ask the people in the twin towers.........OH that's right we can't.
always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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| matt_himself Matataland 31 Aug 15 10.32pm |
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Quote leggedstruggle at 28 Aug 2015 6.33pm
Quote Y Ddraig Goch at 28 Aug 2015 5.10pm
Ty
I couldn't be politically anymore opposite to Corbyn but at least he is a politician with conviction.
The rest have already said "tell us what you want us yo be and we will be it" which quite frankly is a crock of s***
So was Hitler.
Not really the same are they?
I agree, of course they are not. But conviction politicians tend to carry on with policies when when they are clearly going wrong, Thatcher did it with the Poll Tax.
Better to have someone who believes in something rather than nothing imo.
Poll tax wasn't actually that bad it was more a symptom of her waning powers. The old rates system was seriously flawed and no bugger had any idea what to do. It wasn't perfect but was actually better than the rates system.
I don't mind people who don't believe in anything, its the ones that believe that winning is more important than being right that concern me.
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Bravo Jezza.
Assassination or trial? Corbyn thought a trial would be better. What's wrong with that?
Are you saying we should show compassion to Bin Laden, ISIS, etc?
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
Big chest and massive boobs
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Quote fed up eagle at 21 Aug 2015 8.57pm
As has been said on this thread, all the candidates are uninspiring, and Labour and their policies are just a load of old dross. The politics of spite and envy.
I see your still fed up then
Theres someone in my head ... But its not me
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Despite Corbyns obvious links with sinn fein and adsams,I was prepared to give him the benifit of the doubt, however when interviewed on Radio 5 a few weeks ago he was asked 5 times to condom the violence of the ira, he did not, but condemened all violence, and was even happy enough to condem the "violence" used by the British Army, but not the ira...totaly lost me
Theres someone in my head ... But its not me
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Quote suicideatselhurst at 01 Sep 2015 5.05am
Despite Corbyns obvious links with sinn fein and adsams,I was prepared to give him the benifit of the doubt, however when interviewed on Radio 5 a few weeks ago he was asked 5 times to condom the violence of the ira, he did not, but condemened all violence, and was even happy enough to condem the "violence" used by the British Army, but not the ira...totaly lost me
Condem not condom
Theres someone in my head ... But its not me
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Despite Corbyns obvious links with sinn fein and adsams,I was prepared to give him the benifit of the doubt, however when interviewed on Radio 5 a few weeks ago he was asked 5 times to condom the violence of the ira, he did not, but condemened all violence, and was even happy enough to condem the "violence" used by the British Army, but not the ira...totaly lost me
Condem not condom
Well as Corbyn is totally up the IRA's arse you wouldn't be wrong.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Despite Corbyns obvious links with sinn fein and adsams,I was prepared to give him the benifit of the doubt, however when interviewed on Radio 5 a few weeks ago he was asked 5 times to condom the violence of the ira, he did not, but condemened all violence, and was even happy enough to condem the "violence" used by the British Army, but not the ira...totaly lost me
Condem not condom
Well as Corbyn is totally up the IRA's arse you wouldn't be wrong.
Bit ironic given Sinn Fein are basically a nationalist party.
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| matt_himself Matataland 01 Sep 15 7.56am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 31 Aug 2015 10.56pm
Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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| ghosteagle 01 Sep 15 9.40am |
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
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| matt_himself Matataland 01 Sep 15 9.52am |
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 01 Sep 15 10.36am |
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
So what ?
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
At least the yanks got it right for once
the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Quote Kermit8 at 31 Aug 2015 10.56pm
Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
So what ?
So, matt was wrong in his argument that it was impossible to bring Osama to trial. I'm not making moral judgements just establishing the facts.
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
So what ?
So, matt was wrong in his argument that it was impossible to bring Osama to trial. I'm not making moral judgements just establishing the facts.
How do you know they are facts ? did you run the covert operation, Where you present for the years of lead up intelligence work ?
Im Guessing the answer is no you weren't, neither was I so all we have on the subject is opinion, not Fact.
Your opinion is no more valid than Matt's, or mine, or anyone elses. Something you may wish to remember in future when posting.
What proof do you have the USA wanted him dead from the start.
In fact Obama has publicy claimed he wanted him taken alive [Link]
Also what proof do you have he wasnt armed ? none Im guessing, but hey obvioulsy your pre judged opinion is "fact" where as Matts is clearly just made up assumption next to your "facts".
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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| ghosteagle 01 Sep 15 11.21am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 31 Aug 2015 10.56pm
Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
So what ?
So, matt was wrong in his argument that it was impossible to bring Osama to trial. I'm not making moral judgements just establishing the facts.
How do you know they are facts ? did you run the covert operation, Where you present for the years of lead up intelligence work ?
Im Guessing the answer is no you weren't, neither was I so all we have on the subject is opinion, not Fact.
Your opinion is no more valid than Matt's, or mine, or anyone elses. Something you may wish to remember in future when posting.
What proof do you have the USA wanted him dead from the start.
In fact Obama has publicy claimed he wanted him taken alive [Link]
Also what proof do you have he wasnt armed ? none Im guessing, but hey obvioulsy your pre judged opinion is "fact" where as Matts is clearly just made up assumption next to your "facts".
A long post, but a waste of time. The established facts as presented by the people who took part and media reports are how i have presented them. No ,i wasn't there but please, take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
As to what proof i have that the usa wanted Osama dead, i point to the evidence already established. They had the opportunity to arrest him but instead executed him.
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
So what ?
So, matt was wrong in his argument that it was impossible to bring Osama to trial. I'm not making moral judgements just establishing the facts.
How do you know they are facts ? did you run the covert operation, Where you present for the years of lead up intelligence work ?
Im Guessing the answer is no you weren't, neither was I so all we have on the subject is opinion, not Fact.
Your opinion is no more valid than Matt's, or mine, or anyone elses. Something you may wish to remember in future when posting.
What proof do you have the USA wanted him dead from the start.
In fact Obama has publicy claimed he wanted him taken alive [Link]
Also what proof do you have he wasnt armed ? none Im guessing, but hey obvioulsy your pre judged opinion is "fact" where as Matts is clearly just made up assumption next to your "facts".
A long post, but a waste of time. The established facts as presented by the people who took part and media reports are how i have presented them. No ,i wasn't there but please, take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
As to what proof i have that the usa wanted Osama dead, i point to the evidence already established. They had the opportunity to arrest him but instead executed him.
More piss and wind from the king of piss and wind. not a single link to any "fact" that the Osama operation was an assassination.
I give you link quoting the American President saying he wanted him alive if possible and you completly ignore it, and you accuse me of conspiracy theories, just what conspiracy theories have I presnted, other than actaul quotes from the president of the USA I have have presented no theory other than that is it reasonable to assume that Bin laden would have armed himself knowing his heavily manned and armed stronghold was under attack ?
Just for the record they were US Navy Seals that lead the attack.
And my post wasnt a waste of time, it showed you up for what you are.
"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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Putting someone on trial and showing compassion are not even close to being the same thing Mr H. Ask Ian Brady.
And pray tell how you would have got Bin Laden to come quietly and give himself up for trial? Did Bin Laden hold his hands up and want to be put before a trial when the marines arrived at his compound? No, he reached for his AK and used one of his wives as a human shield whilst firing indiscrimately.
The gap between leftie idealism and reality is astonishing.
I think that you've been watching too many films, there was no hollywood type shootout, just a simple execution. America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial.
I think you have chosen to believe what you want to believe.
Of course America never had any intention of bringing him back for trial because it would never have been Bin Laden's intention to go on trial.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.[/quote
First, again there was no shoot-out, and Bin-Laden was unarmed when shot. Not any moral judgements just facts, you were wrong.
Second, whether bin laden wanted to go on trial or not is completely irrelevant. I'm sure plenty of criminals don't want to go on trial but funnily enough, once incarcerated they don't have a choice. America had the capacity to arrest and try him, but execution was what they set out to do.
So what ?
So, matt was wrong in his argument that it was impossible to bring Osama to trial. I'm not making moral judgements just establishing the facts.
How do you know they are facts ? did you run the covert operation, Where you present for the years of lead up intelligence work ?
Im Guessing the answer is no you weren't, neither was I so all we have on the subject is opinion, not Fact.
Your opinion is no more valid than Matt's, or mine, or anyone elses. Something you may wish to remember in future when posting.
What proof do you have the USA wanted him dead from the start.
In fact Obama has publicy claimed he wanted him taken alive [Link]
Also what proof do you have he wasnt armed ? none Im guessing, but hey obvioulsy your pre judged opinion is "fact" where as Matts is clearly just made up assumption next to your "facts".
A long post, but a waste of time. The established facts as presented by the people who took part and media reports are how i have presented them. No ,i wasn't there but please, take your conspiracy theories elsewhere.
As to what proof i have that the usa wanted Osama dead, i point to the evidence already established. They had the opportunity to arrest him but instead executed him.
More piss and wind from the king of piss and wind. not a single link to any "fact" that the Osama operation was an assassination.
I give you link quoting the American President saying he wanted him alive if possible and you completly ignore it, and you accuse me of conspiracy theories, just what conspiracy theories have I presnted, other than actaul quotes from the president of the USA I have have presented no theory other than that is it reasonable to assume that Bin laden would have armed himself knowing his heavily manned and armed stronghold was under attack ?
Just for the record they were US Navy Seals that lead the attack.
And my post wasnt a waste of time, it showed you up for what you are.
The fact that Osama's death was an assassination is based on the established facts. They had opportunity to detain and arrest but killed him instead.
The fact that a politician said something has no credibility when considered alongside the facts, which i repeat again, were that america could have detained and arrested Osama. In general, it is always better to look at what happened rather than what the politicians say happened.
You claim it is reasonable to assume that Osama would have armed himself, yet there is no evidence of this and no reports that he did so. As such it seems that this is simply something that you have made up in your own mind.
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