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Originally posted by nickgusset
You're initial enquiry as to whether I have never been on a demonstration, had a number one haircut nor lived in Eltham seemed rather obtuse so I gave the answer it deserved. obtuse?
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RIP PC Keith Palmer,apparently was a huge Charlton fan.
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Equally read the bible and you can pick and choose your references to mass genocide, sexism homophobia you name it. This incident has brought out the worst in many, first it was 'definitely' the IRA ( not a chance not their style,) now we are back onto all muslims are bad (including I assume all the ones in our squad.) Of course not all Muslims are bad....Indeed reformist Muslims and peaceful Muslims are fine people, fine people we need. However you need to research the differences between the religions to understand why reformist Muslims are a tiny minority who fear for their lives. The vast majority of Jews and Christians recognise that their book was written by men 'inspired' by God.....Muslims believe their book are the 'actual' words of God. So the evil bullsh*t in the Bible can be easily re-interpreted or put down to cultural requirements or understandings of the day or misinterpreting of what God meant. Try doing this with Islam. Because they are seen as the 'literal' words of God most jealously guard them and many of them become quite intransigent when it is suggested that their book's sayings on women, homosexuals, apostates and so on need updating. All religions are nonsense..All religions do some good and some harm and contain good and not so good people....but not all religions are equally harmful.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Of course not all Muslims are bad....Indeed reformist Muslims and peaceful Muslims are fine people, fine people we need. However you need to research the differences between the religions to understand why reformist Muslims are a tiny minority who fear for their lives. The vast majority of Jews and Christians recognise that their book was written by men 'inspired' by God.....Muslims believe their book are the 'actual' words of God. So the evil bullsh*t in the Bible can be easily re-interpreted or put down to cultural requirements or understandings of the day or misinterpreting of what God meant. Try doing this with Islam. Because they are seen as the 'literal' words of God most jealously guard them and many of them become quite intransigent when it is suggested that their book's sayings on women, homosexuals, apostates and so on need updating. All religions are nonsense..All religions do some good and some harm and contain good and not so good people....but not all religions are equally harmful. I understand entirely the point you make but do not necessarily agree with it. There are many supposedly Christian groups particulary in the states who use the bible as 'law,' and see that as justification to attack abortion clinics and the like equally there fundamental differences in scriptual interpretation (particularly across say the Canonical Gospels or the Old testament that divide the Christian church and can lead to violence. My point is simply that whilst I do not accept fundamentalist views of any sort. I equally do not accept the somewhat broad brush approach that Islam is inherently evil as are by seeming association all who practice it. I saw first hand what happened on Wednesday and trust me the driver on the bridge set out to hit anyone he did not stop enquire as the the relgious persusions of those he approached.
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Equally read the bible and you can pick and choose your references to mass genocide, sexism homophobia you name it. This incident has brought out the worst in many, first it was 'definitely' the IRA ( not a chance not their style,) now we are back onto all muslims are bad (including I assume all the ones in our squad.) We have a problem and we have to deal with it. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (24 Mar 2017 5.59pm)
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
Equally read the bible and you can pick and choose your references to mass genocide, sexism homophobia you name it. This incident has brought out the worst in many, first it was 'definitely' the IRA ( not a chance not their style,) now we are back onto all muslims are bad (including I assume all the ones in our squad.) Please tell me you know and understand the difference between the status of the Bible (I'll assume you mean Old Testament in this context) and of the Quran in their respective religions?
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From the Evening Standard "Television presenter Phillip Schofield has been ridiculed for walking across Westminster Bridge in "defiance" of the London terror attack. The This Morning presenter posted a picture on Istagram of the Houses of Parliament enveloped in shadow on Thursday evening, a day after fanatic Khalid Masood ran down dozens of pedestrians, killing three of them. Schofield wrote: “Walking across Westminster Bridge in tribute and defiance.” But while he received dozens of messages praising him on Instagram, on Twitter his walk was widely mocked."
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Just what the great British public need right now...a martyr made famous by talking to a hand covered in a furry glove.
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Please tell me you know and understand the difference between the status of the Bible (I'll assume you mean Old Testament in this context) and of the Quran in their respective religions? He evidently doesn't.
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Matthew 7:15-20 You Will Know Them by Their Fruits:
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
I understand entirely the point you make but do not necessarily agree with it. There are many supposedly Christian groups particulary in the states who use the bible as 'law,' and see that as justification to attack abortion clinics and the like equally there fundamental differences in scriptual interpretation (particularly across say the Canonical Gospels or the Old testament that divide the Christian church and can lead to violence. My point is simply that whilst I do not accept fundamentalist views of any sort. I equally do not accept the somewhat broad brush approach that Islam is inherently evil as are by seeming association all who practice it. I saw first hand what happened on Wednesday and trust me the driver on the bridge set out to hit anyone he did not stop enquire as the the relgious persusions of those he approached. You do not agree. You compare the tiny numbers of cases of fundamentalist Christian groups who have very little they can point to within their religious books with the estimated 15 percent of the Islamic worldwide population who vote for extreme Sharia political groups. Groups who advocate death for homosexuals and so on. Any look at the surveys of the viewpoints of Muslims shows the extent of the problem but no....you want to say that there is a comparison between abolition clinic attacks and this problem. Excuse me for this but I think your view is apart of the problem. Your point of view is why we have inaction on this front and I feel that this problem will continue to get worse mainly because of the inaction of people with your viewpoint. People alive now will die down to this inaction. It's because of this viewpoint that this country spends up to one third of its security budget on policing this one group. This funding will have to increase as the Islamic population increases. It's why we have barriers on our parliament. How much do we spend and worry about on the tiny numbers of radical Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews?.....the last group...which is unfortunately emigrating from this country. Again, partly due to the protection and cover given by people like you to a religion that is inherently aggressive to them. Yet you believe there is a comparison that can be made. It is frankly staggering and shows where we are and why this problem is now so large. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Mar 2017 7.09pm)
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
Matthew 7:15-20 You Will Know Them by Their Fruits: WTF?
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