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Originally posted by PatrickA
The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting. PatrickA Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time? From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got.
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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid
Any manager is only six games from his job being in question and Roy is no different. However, I don't see anyone plausible actually wanting the job other than someone after a quick payday. The age of the squad and the fact that the owners wanted out even before we faced global economic slump are hardly a secret. Thought the players looked tired and get the frustrations around Roy's reluctance to freshen things up but when the likes of Meyer and Riedewald are continually thrown up as main points of criticism it doesn't do much to strengthen the arguments against him. Luka has looked particularly off the pace and it was notable McCarthy played instead of him in the three wins against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford which effectively saved the season. this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely. Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely. Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case. A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'.
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely. Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things One big question that needs to be asked who do you think will want to come to manage us? Don't forget both Pullis and Allardyce walked because Parish would not splash the cash. Charlton got rid of Curbishley - now look at them Going into the Championship could well see us in freefall like the aforementioned clubs. Is that what you want? Our next managerial move must not be a knee jerk reaction and as we are safe this season we need to chill out a bit.
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely. Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things If the Manager's job at Palace became available, I can assure you that there would be no shortage of applicants ( maybe including Chris Powell ) but getting the right candidate will be very tricky. I agree with your comment about the business - why the rush to extend a one year contract, why not leave it until the season has concluded and not base a decision on performance for two thirds of that ? I suspect Roy didn't have any other offers on the table !
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle
One big question that needs to be asked who do you think will want to come to manage us? Don't forget both Pullis and Allardyce walked because Parish would not splash the cash. Charlton got rid of Curbishley - now look at them Going into the Championship could well see us in freefall like the aforementioned clubs. Is that what you want? Our next managerial move must not be a knee jerk reaction and as we are safe this season we need to chill out a bit. There will not be a knee jerk reaction from the 'Board'.Hodgson has secured survival yet again and in truth we were 'Safe' many games ago.
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Originally posted by Willo
There will not be a knee jerk reaction from the 'Board'.Hodgson has secured survival yet again and in truth we were 'Safe' many games ago. maybe because he wont keep us up another year with this s***e.
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Originally posted by Cpfc1861
maybe because he wont keep us up another year with this s***e. The 'Board' believe that given his track record at the club, he is best placed to meet the sole objective,once again, of securing our place in the PL.
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Originally posted by Willo
There will not be a knee jerk reaction from the 'Board'.Hodgson has secured survival yet again and in truth we were 'Safe' many games ago. So you are for doing nothing then. Have you watched any recent games? Do you think this squad will cling on to EPL survival once again? Credit to RH for EPL preservation for the last 3 seasons but that by no way insures he'll do so again. Sorry I think he's really lost the plot and the players (who ought to be ashamed of themselves). Keeping things the way they are makes relegation next season a certainty. Whatever happens I think we'll struggle - too much is wrong. And next season is just a few short weeks away. Edited by Eaglehamster (13 Jul 2020 11.47am)
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Originally posted by AERO
It's not such a gamble as it needs to be done .The board will obviously be now planning for next season.Do you think they will give Roy the limited transfer budget to spend ? Whilst knowing this is probably his last season as a palace manager? It won't be "knee jerk" we are on a very bad run ,players and team not playing with any enthusiasm.Its the Boards responsibility to look at least one year in advance surly. I don't have a 'Hotline' to the hierarchy where I get a running commentary about all the latest developments but let's just assert I will be very surprised if Hodgson is given his 'Marching orders'.
Edited by Willo (13 Jul 2020 11.50am)
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Originally posted by Eaglehamster
So you are for doing nothing then. Have you watched any recent games? Do you think this squad will cling on to EPL survival once again? Credit to RH for EPL preservation for the last 3 seasons but that by no way insures he'll do so again. Sorry I think he's really lost the plot and the players (who ought to be ashamed of themselves). Keeping things the way they are makes relegation next season a certainty. Whatever happens I think we'll struggle - too much is wrong. And next season is just a few short weeks away. Edited by Eaglehamster (13 Jul 2020 11.47am) I don't think it's a question with being alright with doing nothing. As Willo has pointed out, Roy has delivered his objective in keeping Palace in the Premier League. Presumably SP thinks that he can achieve this next season as well. I do think that Parish is delaying the inevitable and it would be preferable to be able to plan further ahead than the next 12 months, but the way the squad is constructed and the unsustainable wages that go with it mean that we have effectively painted ourselves into a corner. That's one of the main reasons that I have stood by Roy. I accept that it's not been very pretty - but it has been effective.
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Originally posted by Willo
I don't have a 'Hotline' to the hierarchy where I get a running commentary about all the latest developments but let's just assert I will be very surprised if Hodgson is given his 'Marching orders'.
Edited by Willo (13 Jul 2020 11.50am) I don’t think he will go as well but I do think he should. Otherwise we will be in the same position next season with the most of us bored stupid/embarrassed with lots of our performances. As I’ve said, now is the time as I can’t see any manager keeping us up but we need to be prepared for the season after next. Keeping mainly this Squad together for next season isn’t the way forward otherwise we will be going through 2 divisions in my humble opinion - take a chance now and create a younger more entertaining team to take us forward over the next few seasons. I’m not talking top 6 or even just below that, just a team that gives us some hope of mid table or promotion from the championship. Oh, for a play off final at Wembley again - we haven’t had that excitement for years :-)
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Originally posted by Willo
The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case. A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'. a safe pair of hands isn't going to move you forward, it'll keep you standing still which is fine in the very short term but not geared towards evolution and not good when all the rest are advancing (save for the bottom three). You still end up getting left behind/relatively declining, which is what is happening. It's a slow and painful car crash that is about to happen yet not completely unavoidable if we act soon.
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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet
a safe pair of hands isn't going to move you forward, it'll keep you standing still which is fine in the very short term but not geared towards evolution and not good when all the rest are advancing (save for the bottom three). You still end up getting left behind/relatively declining, which is what is happening. It's a slow and painful car crash that is about to happen yet not completely unavoidable if we act soon. We are not a 'Big' sought after club with significant resources.We have only just attained 'Category One' academy status. Our stadium is in dire need of an upgrade. To be in the PL for successive seasons is an achievement in itself after the 'Off-field' problems which we encountered not once but twice in fairly recent times. We have an ageing squad which needs replacing with little or no resale value and at the present time we will not have the transfer funds for a significant outlay for replacements. Certainly in terms of a sale,the club is worth far more in the PL than it would be in the Championship! Hodgson is seen as the man to secure our PL survival.
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Originally posted by Willo
PatrickA Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time? From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got. This is virtually the same squad we've had for 4 years. They can play a different way. Why they arnt is down to tactics. Dont concede for 70 mins. Catch one on the break. Problem being we cant do that breakaway goal if we are trying not to go 2 down.
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Originally posted by Willo
The 'Board' believe that given his track record at the club, he is best placed to meet the sole objective,once again, of securing our place in the PL. Sole objective according to who? Has anyone from the board ever said that? 2nd fewest goals scored in the division (behind Norwich) and comfortably the fewest scored at home. In the last 7 seasons, only one team has survived scoring 30 goals or less in a season which was Huddersfield in 17/18. Every other time the team has gone down. Only a handful of teams have survived scoring 33/34 - we’ll be lucky to hit that. Whether you think it’s a fluke or not is irrelevant, it is completely unsustainable the way we approach games - I’ve said it so many times, but any basic level of analysis will prove that. A season such as the one we’ve played results in a relegation 8 or 9 times out of 10.
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Sole objective according to who? Has anyone from the board ever said that? 2nd fewest goals scored in the division (behind Norwich) and comfortably the fewest scored at home. In the last 7 seasons, only one team has survived scoring 30 goals or less in a season which was Huddersfield in 17/18. Every other time the team has gone down. Only a handful of teams have survived scoring 33/34 - we’ll be lucky to hit that. Whether you think it’s a fluke or not is irrelevant, it is completely unsustainable the way we approach games - I’ve said it so many times, but any basic level of analysis will prove that. A season such as the one we’ve played results in a relegation 8 or 9 times out of 10. Well, I have not heard such sentiments expressed publicly for the benefit of the media.
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