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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.38am

Originally posted by PatrickA

The apologists for Hodgson blame Parish and the Americans, the players, Freedman’s scouting.
Where is the accountability of Hodgson?
He is accountable for team selection, motivation, maximising resources and tactics.
The buck stops with him.
He seems to have tricked some people into the view that he has worked wonders keeping us up.
I don’t buy it, and don’t accept any justification for the type of negative football we play against the likes of Burnley and Villa.
Villa are a poor team and had less rest than us prior to yesterday’s game. Yet we looked like the relegation threatened team.
Where are the young players Hodgson promised to look at in the remaining games?
If I know the tactics he’s going to employ and substitutions he’s going to make every game you can be pretty sure the opposing managers do too.
Palace must be one of the easiest teams to defend against and Hodgson NEVER seeks to address this either through tactical changes or other innovations.

PatrickA

Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time?

From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got.

 

Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 13 Jul 20 10.38am

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Any manager is only six games from his job being in question and Roy is no different. However, I don't see anyone plausible actually wanting the job other than someone after a quick payday.

The age of the squad and the fact that the owners wanted out even before we faced global economic slump are hardly a secret.

Thought the players looked tired and get the frustrations around Roy's reluctance to freshen things up but when the likes of Meyer and Riedewald are continually thrown up as main points of criticism it doesn't do much to strengthen the arguments against him.

Luka has looked particularly off the pace and it was notable McCarthy played instead of him in the three wins against Newcastle, Brighton and Watford which effectively saved the season.


this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 10.47am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case.

A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'.

 

PatrickA Flag London 13 Jul 20 10.53am

Yes I do believe we could get enough points to stay up even if we didn’t keep 10 behind the ball every game.
Hodgson is not getting the best out of his resources as Zaha, Townsend, Benteke and Luka amongst others have gone backwards under him.
The only player who has arguably improved under Hodgson is Ayew.
I don’t buy the Hodgson myth full stop.

 

PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 13 Jul 20 10.54am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

One big question that needs to be asked who do you think will want to come to manage us? Don't forget both Pullis and Allardyce walked because Parish would not splash the cash.

Charlton got rid of Curbishley - now look at them
Stoke got rid of Pullis - now look at them
Sunderland got rid of Allardyce - now look at them

Going into the Championship could well see us in freefall like the aforementioned clubs.

Is that what you want?

Our next managerial move must not be a knee jerk reaction and as we are safe this season we need to chill out a bit.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Jul 20 11.02am

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

this is where the owners need to sell a vision and longterm plan for Palace to get someone interested, and marry that with the prospective manager's football philosophy and vision. Like what we did with FDB but we need to give another manager a chance and learn from what didn't work for FDB. The process was right, the appointment was not so it needs tweaking not scrapping completely.

Will probably have to give Roy a pay-off given that he's got a contract extension. More madness from the business-running side of things

If the Manager's job at Palace became available, I can assure you that there would be no shortage of applicants ( maybe including Chris Powell ) but getting the right candidate will be very tricky.

I agree with your comment about the business - why the rush to extend a one year contract, why not leave it until the season has concluded and not base a decision on performance for two thirds of that ? I suspect Roy didn't have any other offers on the table !

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 11.28am

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

One big question that needs to be asked who do you think will want to come to manage us? Don't forget both Pullis and Allardyce walked because Parish would not splash the cash.

Charlton got rid of Curbishley - now look at them
Stoke got rid of Pullis - now look at them
Sunderland got rid of Allardyce - now look at them

Going into the Championship could well see us in freefall like the aforementioned clubs.

Is that what you want?

Our next managerial move must not be a knee jerk reaction and as we are safe this season we need to chill out a bit.

There will not be a knee jerk reaction from the 'Board'.Hodgson has secured survival yet again and in truth we were 'Safe' many games ago.
Mission accomplished as far as the club are concerned so why gamble on a new man at the helm?

 

Cpfc1861 Flag 13 Jul 20 11.36am

Originally posted by Willo

There will not be a knee jerk reaction from the 'Board'.Hodgson has secured survival yet again and in truth we were 'Safe' many games ago.
Mission accomplished as far as the club are concerned so why gamble on a new man at the helm?

maybe because he wont keep us up another year with this s***e.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 11.44am

Originally posted by Cpfc1861

maybe because he wont keep us up another year with this s***e.

The 'Board' believe that given his track record at the club, he is best placed to meet the sole objective,once again, of securing our place in the PL.


 

AERO Flag 13 Jul 20 11.46am

It's not such a gamble as it needs to be done .The board will obviously be now planning for next season.Do you think they will give Roy the limited transfer budget to spend ? Whilst knowing this is probably his last season as a palace manager? It won't be "knee jerk" we are on a very bad run ,players and team not playing with any enthusiasm.Its the Boards responsibility to look at least one year in advance surly.

 

Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 13 Jul 20 11.46am

Originally posted by Willo

There will not be a knee jerk reaction from the 'Board'.Hodgson has secured survival yet again and in truth we were 'Safe' many games ago.
Mission accomplished as far as the club are concerned so why gamble on a new man at the helm?

So you are for doing nothing then. Have you watched any recent games? Do you think this squad will cling on to EPL survival once again? Credit to RH for EPL preservation for the last 3 seasons but that by no way insures he'll do so again. Sorry I think he's really lost the plot and the players (who ought to be ashamed of themselves).

Keeping things the way they are makes relegation next season a certainty. Whatever happens I think we'll struggle - too much is wrong. And next season is just a few short weeks away.

Edited by Eaglehamster (13 Jul 2020 11.47am)

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 11.49am

Originally posted by AERO

It's not such a gamble as it needs to be done .The board will obviously be now planning for next season.Do you think they will give Roy the limited transfer budget to spend ? Whilst knowing this is probably his last season as a palace manager? It won't be "knee jerk" we are on a very bad run ,players and team not playing with any enthusiasm.Its the Boards responsibility to look at least one year in advance surly.

I don't have a 'Hotline' to the hierarchy where I get a running commentary about all the latest developments but let's just assert I will be very surprised if Hodgson is given his 'Marching orders'.

Edited by Willo (13 Jul 2020 11.50am)

 

ambrose7 Flag Croydon 13 Jul 20 12.11pm

For me, the tipping point was when McCarthy came on when McArthur was injured.

We're 1-0 down at a club in the bottom 3 who have a shocking defensive record. What on earth was McCarthy going to bring to the table? I can't think of a single moment of attacking football from him this season.

If Meyer isn't going to be used in that situation, then there is absolutely no point us having an even vaguely creative player at the club.

If there's no point having an even vaguely creative player at the club, a club which has scored the second fewest goals in the league, what's the point of anyone turning up? We're just praying for a clean sheet and for someone to score a wonder goal.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 13 Jul 20 12.20pm

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

So you are for doing nothing then. Have you watched any recent games? Do you think this squad will cling on to EPL survival once again? Credit to RH for EPL preservation for the last 3 seasons but that by no way insures he'll do so again. Sorry I think he's really lost the plot and the players (who ought to be ashamed of themselves).

Keeping things the way they are makes relegation next season a certainty. Whatever happens I think we'll struggle - too much is wrong. And next season is just a few short weeks away.

Edited by Eaglehamster (13 Jul 2020 11.47am)

I don't think it's a question with being alright with doing nothing.

As Willo has pointed out, Roy has delivered his objective in keeping Palace in the Premier League.

Presumably SP thinks that he can achieve this next season as well.

I do think that Parish is delaying the inevitable and it would be preferable to be able to plan further ahead than the next 12 months, but the way the squad is constructed and the unsustainable wages that go with it mean that we have effectively painted ourselves into a corner.

That's one of the main reasons that I have stood by Roy. I accept that it's not been very pretty - but it has been effective.

 


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palace chick Flag South Croydon 13 Jul 20 12.21pm

Originally posted by Willo

I don't have a 'Hotline' to the hierarchy where I get a running commentary about all the latest developments but let's just assert I will be very surprised if Hodgson is given his 'Marching orders'.

Edited by Willo (13 Jul 2020 11.50am)

I don’t think he will go as well but I do think he should. Otherwise we will be in the same position next season with the most of us bored stupid/embarrassed with lots of our performances. As I’ve said, now is the time as I can’t see any manager keeping us up but we need to be prepared for the season after next. Keeping mainly this Squad together for next season isn’t the way forward otherwise we will be going through 2 divisions in my humble opinion - take a chance now and create a younger more entertaining team to take us forward over the next few seasons. I’m not talking top 6 or even just below that, just a team that gives us some hope of mid table or promotion from the championship. Oh, for a play off final at Wembley again - we haven’t had that excitement for years :-)

 

Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 13 Jul 20 12.23pm

Originally posted by Willo

The contract extension was offered to keep Hodgson at the club because he had met his objectives of keeping the club in the PL for two seasons and there was every chance this was going to be extended to three seasons and this of course has been the case.

A 'Net spend' of just £8 Mill in the three seasons he has been at charge.He is seen as an experienced 'Safe pair of hands'.

a safe pair of hands isn't going to move you forward, it'll keep you standing still which is fine in the very short term but not geared towards evolution and not good when all the rest are advancing (save for the bottom three). You still end up getting left behind/relatively declining, which is what is happening.

It's a slow and painful car crash that is about to happen yet not completely unavoidable if we act soon.

 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 12.40pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

a safe pair of hands isn't going to move you forward, it'll keep you standing still which is fine in the very short term but not geared towards evolution and not good when all the rest are advancing (save for the bottom three). You still end up getting left behind/relatively declining, which is what is happening.

It's a slow and painful car crash that is about to happen yet not completely unavoidable if we act soon.

We are not a 'Big' sought after club with significant resources.We have only just attained 'Category One' academy status. Our stadium is in dire need of an upgrade.

To be in the PL for successive seasons is an achievement in itself after the 'Off-field' problems which we encountered not once but twice in fairly recent times.

We have an ageing squad which needs replacing with little or no resale value and at the present time we will not have the transfer funds for a significant outlay for replacements.

Certainly in terms of a sale,the club is worth far more in the PL than it would be in the Championship! Hodgson is seen as the man to secure our PL survival.

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 13 Jul 20 12.50pm

Originally posted by Willo

PatrickA

Are you suggesting that another manager could get the current squad to play a far more expansive and entertaining game and secure survival at the same time?

From my perspective we have short-comings in the squad in terms of creativity, the squad is ageing, lacking in energy and mobility at times and Hodgson can only work with the squad he has got.

This is virtually the same squad we've had for 4 years. They can play a different way. Why they arnt is down to tactics. Dont concede for 70 mins. Catch one on the break. Problem being we cant do that breakaway goal if we are trying not to go 2 down.
Luka has not lost his ability as he is a good player. Why he isnt showing it is down to tactics.
He used to be an attacking midfielder. Breaks up play gets forward shoots some times, well he used to and that's one example. If roy thinks they havent got the legs then put a couple of hungry young players on the pitch. Nothing to lose apart from a game which is what we are doing anyway.

 

EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 13 Jul 20 12.59pm

Originally posted by Willo

The 'Board' believe that given his track record at the club, he is best placed to meet the sole objective,once again, of securing our place in the PL.


Sole objective according to who? Has anyone from the board ever said that?

2nd fewest goals scored in the division (behind Norwich) and comfortably the fewest scored at home.

In the last 7 seasons, only one team has survived scoring 30 goals or less in a season which was Huddersfield in 17/18. Every other time the team has gone down. Only a handful of teams have survived scoring 33/34 - we’ll be lucky to hit that.

Whether you think it’s a fluke or not is irrelevant, it is completely unsustainable the way we approach games - I’ve said it so many times, but any basic level of analysis will prove that.

A season such as the one we’ve played results in a relegation 8 or 9 times out of 10.


 

Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Jul 20 1.07pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

Sole objective according to who? Has anyone from the board ever said that?

2nd fewest goals scored in the division (behind Norwich) and comfortably the fewest scored at home.

In the last 7 seasons, only one team has survived scoring 30 goals or less in a season which was Huddersfield in 17/18. Every other time the team has gone down. Only a handful of teams have survived scoring 33/34 - we’ll be lucky to hit that.

Whether you think it’s a fluke or not is irrelevant, it is completely unsustainable the way we approach games - I’ve said it so many times, but any basic level of analysis will prove that.

A season such as the one we’ve played results in a relegation 8 or 9 times out of 10.


Well, I have not heard such sentiments expressed publicly for the benefit of the media.

 

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