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DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 3.32pm
Originally posted by PalazioVecchio you banging on about racism again ? like a broken record. i do not recall ever seeing you on HOL during a Palace game. You should try it sometime. Because pre-lockdown I was at most of them and since I'm actually watching them. You should try it sometime.

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 3.32pm

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you banging on about racism again ? like a broken record.

i do not recall ever seeing you on HOL during a Palace game. You should try it sometime.

Because pre-lockdown I was at most of them and since I'm actually watching them. You should try it sometime.

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 3.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not really, you are riddled in it. And you have the gall to point at others. Go and stick your Stormzy tunes on. Trouble you that a young black bloke is a thousand times more successful than you'll ever be does it? How's your music going?

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 3.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Not really, you are riddled in it.

And you have the gall to point at others.

Go and stick your Stormzy tunes on.

Trouble you that a young black bloke is a thousand times more successful than you'll ever be does it?

How's your music going?

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 3.35pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Wasn’t Les Ferdinand saying what we’re saying then? Some of you. Unfortunately quite a lot people on here have an issue with both - that's the real problem.

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 3.35pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Wasn’t Les Ferdinand saying what we’re saying then?

Some of you. Unfortunately quite a lot people on here have an issue with both - that's the real problem.

Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.36pm
Originally posted by DanH It's about footballers making an anti-racism gesture before games and it being booed. Believe I'm a hypocrite all you want, even though what you have said is a huge twisting of fact, but there's only one side on this coming out badly. Is it or is it, as several have been trying to point out, a demonstration against the support of BLM? I don’t know why all of them booed, neither do you. We can all surmise. Again I will stress, so please try to take this on board, most on here are supporting some sort of anti-discrimination ( note discrimination not just racism) gesture but, whether you and certain others on here like it or not, taking the knee is aligned with support of BLM Edited by Spiderman (08 Dec 2020 3.40pm)

Spiderman

Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.36pm

Originally posted by DanH

It's about footballers making an anti-racism gesture before games and it being booed.

Believe I'm a hypocrite all you want, even though what you have said is a huge twisting of fact, but there's only one side on this coming out badly.

Is it or is it, as several have been trying to point out, a demonstration against the support of BLM? I don’t know why all of them booed, neither do you. We can all surmise. Again I will stress, so please try to take this on board, most on here are supporting some sort of anti-discrimination ( note discrimination not just racism) gesture but, whether you and certain others on here like it or not, taking the knee is aligned with support of BLM

Edited by Spiderman (08 Dec 2020 3.40pm)

Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.40pm
Originally posted by DanH Some of you. Unfortunately quite a lot people on here have an issue with both - that's the real problem. But you keep playing the racism card, claiming we cannot support Palace because some disagree with taking the knee. As I pointed out earlier, some of our owners are staunch Brexiteers, so how can you support Palace then?

Spiderman

Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.40pm

Originally posted by DanH

Some of you. Unfortunately quite a lot people on here have an issue with both - that's the real problem.

But you keep playing the racism card, claiming we cannot support Palace because some disagree with taking the knee. As I pointed out earlier, some of our owners are staunch Brexiteers, so how can you support Palace then?

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 3.41pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Is it or it it, as several have been trying to point out, a demonstration against the support of BLM? I don’t know why all of them booed, neither do you. We can all surmise. Again I will stress, so please try to take this on board, most on here are supporting some sort of anti-discrimination ( note discrimination not just racism) gesture but, whether you and certain others on here like it or not, taking the knee is aligned with support of BLM But several players and clubs have come out and clarified that it is not a support of BLM - it is purely anti-racism/equality gesture. Yet people are still using it as a fig leaf to try and cloak their barely disguised racism. There's also a surprising amount of experts on Marxism about in the football stands.

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 3.41pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Is it or it it, as several have been trying to point out, a demonstration against the support of BLM? I don’t know why all of them booed, neither do you. We can all surmise. Again I will stress, so please try to take this on board, most on here are supporting some sort of anti-discrimination ( note discrimination not just racism) gesture but, whether you and certain others on here like it or not, taking the knee is aligned with support of BLM

But several players and clubs have come out and clarified that it is not a support of BLM - it is purely anti-racism/equality gesture. Yet people are still using it as a fig leaf to try and cloak their barely disguised racism.

There's also a surprising amount of experts on Marxism about in the football stands.

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 3.45pm
Originally posted by Spiderman But you keep playing the racism card, claiming we cannot support Palace because some disagree with taking the knee. As I pointed out earlier, some of our owners are staunch Brexiteers, so how can you support Palace then? See my post above. I find it extremely hard to believe that people booing are doing it because they believe that players are showing support for the BLM organisation in the US. It's an excuse. And wanting to leave the EU is fine, being racist is not.

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 3.45pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

See my post above. I find it extremely hard to believe that people booing are doing it because they believe that players are showing support for the BLM organisation in the US. It's an excuse.

And wanting to leave the EU is fine, being racist is not.

Stirlingsays 08 Dec 20 3.45pm
Originally posted by DanH Trouble you that a young black bloke is a thousand times more successful than you'll ever be does it? How's your music going? I don't really have issues with meritocracy Dan. And apparently in your world I've released music. In terms of Stormzy I view him similarly to how I view you. And amusingly he's made a lot of money off of self hating whites like you. I'm not a fan of his music but outside of his double standards he's just another musician making noise. The issue I really have is with hypocrisy....and on race, you are riddled. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 3.46pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Stirlingsays

08 Dec 20 3.45pm

Originally posted by DanH

Trouble you that a young black bloke is a thousand times more successful than you'll ever be does it?

How's your music going?

I don't really have issues with meritocracy Dan.

And apparently in your world I've released music.

In terms of Stormzy I view him similarly to how I view you. And amusingly he's made a lot of money off of self hating whites like you. I'm not a fan of his music but outside of his double standards he's just another musician making noise.

The issue I really have is with hypocrisy....and on race, you are riddled.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2020 3.46pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.49pm
Originally posted by DanH But several players and clubs have come out and clarified that it is not a support of BLM - it is purely anti-racism/equality gesture. Yet people are still using it as a fig leaf to try and cloak their barely disguised racism. There's also a surprising amount of experts on Marxism about in the football stands. Give me strength. I will try one last time, because of the way taking the knee was initially covered by the media, it was most definitely aligned with support of BLM, fact. People attending BLM took the knee to show their support, the Police kneeled at a BLM demonstration. Can you honestly not see where the connection comes from? The fact clubs/ players are now saying different, IMO is something they should have said initially. Did any of them say “ we are not taking the knee in support of BLM?” No, they had BLM on their shirts, Sky had BLM on the screen ( still do), it really is not that difficult if you are prepared to drop the accusations of racism against everyone who disagrees, and just think about it

Spiderman

Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.49pm

Originally posted by DanH

There's also a surprising amount of experts on Marxism about in the football stands.

Give me strength. I will try one last time, because of the way taking the knee was initially covered by the media, it was most definitely aligned with support of BLM, fact. People attending BLM took the knee to show their support, the Police kneeled at a BLM demonstration. Can you honestly not see where the connection comes from? The fact clubs/ players are now saying different, IMO is something they should have said initially. Did any of them say “ we are not taking the knee in support of BLM?” No, they had BLM on their shirts, Sky had BLM on the screen ( still do), it really is not that difficult if you are prepared to drop the accusations of racism against everyone who disagrees, and just think about it

Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 20 3.54pm
Originally posted by DanH Trouble you that a young black bloke is a thousand times more successful than you'll ever be does it? How's your music going? I'm delighted to see young Black men doing well. It's better than criminality. Trouble is that you just can't accept that 'racism' is universal and that many of the people who complain about racism are racists themselves by their own definitions.

Hrolf The Ganger

08 Dec 20 3.54pm

Originally posted by DanH

Trouble you that a young black bloke is a thousand times more successful than you'll ever be does it?

How's your music going?

I'm delighted to see young Black men doing well. It's better than criminality.
Trouble is that you just can't accept that 'racism' is universal and that many of the people who complain about racism are racists themselves by their own definitions.

JRW2 Dulwich 08 Dec 20 3.55pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That some think it has outlived its usefulness and ought to be retired is fine too, just as if anyone didn't wish to participate in the first place. People can make up their own minds. Goodness me, that's one of a very few sentences you have posted with which I entirely agree. I wish you'd said it earlier. Not that it has stopped the bickering going on for several more pages!

JRW2

Dulwich 08 Dec 20 3.55pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That some think it has outlived its usefulness and ought to be retired is fine too, just as if anyone didn't wish to participate in the first place. People can make up their own minds.

Goodness me, that's one of a very few sentences you have posted with which I entirely agree. I wish you'd said it earlier. Not that it has stopped the bickering going on for several more pages!

Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.57pm
Originally posted by DanH See my post above. I find it extremely hard to believe that people booing are doing it because they believe that players are showing support for the BLM organisation in the US. It's an excuse. And wanting to leave the EU is fine, being racist is not. You may find it hard but I suspect many, not all, we’re doing it for exactly that reason. So wanting to leave the EU is fine, when it applies to our owners, whereas I may be wrong but you have probably called those that voted to leave, racists, in previous threads on here

Spiderman

Horsham 08 Dec 20 3.57pm

Originally posted by DanH

See my post above. I find it extremely hard to believe that people booing are doing it because they believe that players are showing support for the BLM organisation in the US. It's an excuse.

And wanting to leave the EU is fine, being racist is not.

You may find it hard but I suspect many, not all, we’re doing it for exactly that reason.
So wanting to leave the EU is fine, when it applies to our owners, whereas I may be wrong but you have probably called those that voted to leave, racists, in previous threads on here

ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Dec 20 4.05pm
OK Dan, I'll say I find the booing, particularly by Millwall, a little distasteful. I'm actually fed up with mentioning such a bunch of knuckle draggers this much. However, I believe in freedom of expression, which I guess means that if footballers particularly want to kneel we have to put up with it. Conversely, if any fans want to boo, the FA and footballers have to put up with it - without shouting racist, or calling for sanctions/bans. I was personally thinking of turning my back on it but I guess that would be racist in the opinion of more forward thinking people, like yourself, Sky and Gary Lineker. Red and Blue Army!

ASCPFC

Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 08 Dec 20 4.05pm

OK Dan, I'll say I find the booing, particularly by Millwall, a little distasteful. I'm actually fed up with mentioning such a bunch of knuckle draggers this much.
However, I believe in freedom of expression, which I guess means that if footballers particularly want to kneel we have to put up with it. Conversely, if any fans want to boo, the FA and footballers have to put up with it - without shouting racist, or calling for sanctions/bans. I was personally thinking of turning my back on it but I guess that would be racist in the opinion of more forward thinking people, like yourself, Sky and Gary Lineker.

Red and Blue Army!

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 4.08pm
Originally posted by DanH But several players and clubs have come out and clarified that it is not a support of BLM - it is purely anti-racism/equality gesture. Yet people are still using it as a fig leaf to try and cloak their barely disguised racism. There's also a surprising amount of experts on Marxism about in the football stands. I know, I can smell them like Churchill could. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 20 4.08pm

Originally posted by DanH

There's also a surprising amount of experts on Marxism about in the football stands.

I know, I can smell them like Churchill could.

COYP

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 4.12pm
Originally posted by Spiderman You may find it hard but I suspect many, not all, we’re doing it for exactly that reason. So wanting to leave the EU is fine, when it applies to our owners, whereas I may be wrong but you have probably called those that voted to leave, racists, in previous threads on here We'll never agree here then because this is where we differ. It's obviously linked to the initial BLM protests but I think it's pretty obvious to most that it's just an anti-racism gesture now. That second part is quite an offensive supposition. I would never call someone a racist purely because they said they wanted to leave the EU. Some wanted to leave for racist/xenophobic reasons, yes, but of course I do not think everyone who wanted to is a racist.

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 4.12pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

You may find it hard but I suspect many, not all, we’re doing it for exactly that reason.
So wanting to leave the EU is fine, when it applies to our owners, whereas I may be wrong but you have probably called those that voted to leave, racists, in previous threads on here

We'll never agree here then because this is where we differ. It's obviously linked to the initial BLM protests but I think it's pretty obvious to most that it's just an anti-racism gesture now.

That second part is quite an offensive supposition. I would never call someone a racist purely because they said they wanted to leave the EU. Some wanted to leave for racist/xenophobic reasons, yes, but of course I do not think everyone who wanted to is a racist.

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 4.12pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman I know, I can smell them like Churchill could. Genuine titter

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 4.12pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I know, I can smell them like Churchill could.

Genuine titter

DanH SW2 08 Dec 20 4.17pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC OK Dan, I'll say I find the booing, particularly by Millwall, a little distasteful. I'm actually fed up with mentioning such a bunch of knuckle draggers this much. However, I believe in freedom of expression, which I guess means that if footballers particularly want to kneel we have to put up with it. Conversely, if any fans want to boo, the FA and footballers have to put up with it - without shouting racist, or calling for sanctions/bans. I was personally thinking of turning my back on it but I guess that would be racist in the opinion of more forward thinking people, like yourself, Sky and Gary Lineker. Is 'doing nothing' not acceptable? Even if you don't agree with it surely you can recognise it's something that means a lot to the players. Pretty sh*t comparison but I guess it's like not booing another national anthem before a game - it's not that difficult to just stand and respect it is it?

DanH

SW2 08 Dec 20 4.17pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Is 'doing nothing' not acceptable? Even if you don't agree with it surely you can recognise it's something that means a lot to the players.

Pretty sh*t comparison but I guess it's like not booing another national anthem before a game - it's not that difficult to just stand and respect it is it?

Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 4.20pm
Originally posted by DanH We'll never agree here then because this is where we differ. It's obviously linked to the initial BLM protests but I think it's pretty obvious to most that it's just an anti-racism gesture now. That second part is quite an offensive supposition. I would never call someone a racist purely because they said they wanted to leave the EU. Some wanted to leave for racist/xenophobic reasons, yes, but of course I do not think everyone who wanted to is a racist. Ah so they did do it because it was linked to the BLM protests and all the ugly stuff that went on there, but conveniently not any more. There was always going to be a reaction to vandalising memorials of national heroes while demanding the police knelt at their feet, and this is it. Now we’re here it conveniently isn’t why they’re doing it. At least we have it in print now. COYP

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 20 4.20pm

Originally posted by DanH

We'll never agree here then because this is where we differ. It's obviously linked to the initial BLM protests but I think it's pretty obvious to most that it's just an anti-racism gesture now.

Ah so they did do it because it was linked to the BLM protests and all the ugly stuff that went on there, but conveniently not any more. There was always going to be a reaction to vandalising memorials of national heroes while demanding the police knelt at their feet, and this is it. Now we’re here it conveniently isn’t why they’re doing it.

At least we have it in print now.

COYP

Spiderman Horsham 08 Dec 20 4.21pm
Apologies Dan for the generalisation. Having read this post on the bbs, I just hope this wasn’t you! This actually rendered me speechless. Edited by Spiderman (08 Dec 2020 4.24pm) Attachment: 294C2465-C19A-4BD1-A28C-42E68249FED6.png (306.28Kb)

Spiderman

Horsham 08 Dec 20 4.21pm

Apologies Dan for the generalisation. Having read this post on the bbs, I just hope this wasn’t you! This actually rendered me speechless.

Edited by Spiderman (08 Dec 2020 4.24pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Dec 20 4.22pm
Originally posted by DanH Is 'doing nothing' not acceptable? Even if you don't agree with it surely you can recognise it's something that means a lot to the players. Pretty sht comparison but I guess it's like not booing another national anthem before a game - it's not that difficult to just stand and respect it is it? Those images and film of the demands to kneel at the feet of the police as they were free to destroy national icons and history. Yeah, respect well earned, Dan. COYP*

Rudi Hedman

Caterham 08 Dec 20 4.22pm

Originally posted by DanH

Is 'doing nothing' not acceptable? Even if you don't agree with it surely you can recognise it's something that means a lot to the players.

Pretty sh*t comparison but I guess it's like not booing another national anthem before a game - it's not that difficult to just stand and respect it is it?

Those images and film of the demands to kneel at the feet of the police as they were free to destroy national icons and history. Yeah, respect well earned, Dan.

COYP

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