Even arms!

Yeah, I suspect all those suffering in the US must be really happy seeing him play neo con in eastern Europe with what is it...nearer sixty billion than fifty.....that money printing machine never gets turned off.

Vote Biden, get cold war.....forgive me if I forget to clap.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Jul 2022 4.48pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And you do not even consider that putin wouldn’t have invaded Ukraine if trump was in power.

It's amazing, you wrote out the least worse option and you don't even realise it....well actually I think you do as I've never considered you thick just not someone...lets be diplomatic. not someone with ethics I agree with.

Russia's aim was a change of government in the Ukraine and eastern and southern territory, it wasn't a long prolonged war....what it is now we will see.

The level of sanctions aimed at Russia for invading the Ukraine should not be such as to create a new cold war...No, I regard that as nuts...I'm completely against what Putin did but it has to be recognised that he did not attack an article five country.

Also we have a relationship that means the leader of the free world can't negotiate with Putin. Again a dangerous situation that reads as utter stupidity.

Instead Biden and Johnson/Nato have effectively concreted Russia to China and significantly strengthened the BRICS system as a rival to the west's own system instead as a compliment. Idiotically, placed sanctions that harm us more than them.

World hunger is now a very real possibility and all the working classes in European countries are suffering and are going to suffer much more for an unknown number of years.....Plus the very real possibility of humanity ending nuclear war has been increased to levels I've never known in my lifetime...and I was very aware of the threats of the eighties in the first cold war.

And all for a war which the Russians were always best placed to win anyway....this is like continuing to double down on a losing position in chess.

You have supported the worst option from a rack of poor options and like your preferred politicians you have chosen to double down.....presumably due to ego.

I've said my personal approach would have been Orban's. I would have condemned the invasion and placed appropriate sanctions until the war's end. I wouldn't have looked to destroy Russia and broken international agreements to do that....like 'stealing', sorry 'freezing' funds. So sorry but your contention that the situation would be the same just doesn't hold water.

I would have provided the Ukraine with humanitarian aid and lobbied hard for peace terms, which I believe had a strong possibility of agreement back in March.

I would have considerably strengthened Nato on border countries (However, I don't believe in fighting wars outside of my alliances..I'm not a neo con world policeman) just as I've always supported a strong military here instead of the cut upon cuts that....disgracefully mainly conservative governments have done.

Anyone with brains and knowledge of Russia's military at the start of this war understands that it doesn't have the numbers to occupy Europe.....but with these constant escalations we could see a general mobilisation that has access to millions of fighting men......We need de-escalation, not the opposite...back when you were being sensible on this war you agreed with that....but you shift with whatever the neo liberal establishment decides.

Lastly, I will again bring up the Saudi/Yemen war. If you aren't going to place these level of sanctions onto Saudi for invading Yemen...with a lot of the weapons we sold them....and instead, in fact actually increase trade with them, then there is no leg to stand on with the Ukraine.

The double standard stands out like a sore thumb.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2022 5.50am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)