Maybe now it's safe to talk about the politics of a group like Campaign Against Anti-Semitism.

These documents seem to suggest that senior members in the Labour party weaponised the issue of anti-semitism as a means of discrediting Corbyn. One example, of many in the report, shows a Labour staff pressuring Tom Watson to interfere in Ken Livingstone's anti-semitism case and weaken the sentence in order to produce bad coverage for the party.

If you were serious about fighting anti-semitism, how would you react to that? Surely you would be incredibly worried that non-Jewish people are using anti-semitism as a political football? But instead we get a statement which seems to defend the people who were doing so (many of the whistleblowers in the Panorama documentary are key figures in the report) while staying silent on the multiple cases of cover up that appear to have been raised.

The whole thing is toxic.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Possibly getting legal teams to look at it before they report it?

It shows the essential problem with Corbyn and his supporters.

- If he hadn't have been leader, remain would have probably won the referendum.
- If he'd have stood down after the referendum, May wouldn't have called the 2017 GE.
- I still can't believe that JC and Momentum celebrated the 2017 election as a win. They were stood against a dreadful Tory government with dreadful policies and still not trusted. Not standing down effectively crippled UK politics for the next two years.
- If he was gone before Boris then the Tories would have been well and truely buggered. Minority governments don't win GE's.... but Labour managed to lose it by an landslide.

It was just impossible to move him, you'd just get shouted down by his idiotic supporters.

I'm so glad they've moved these deluded people from oposition. Labour's worst result since Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and Starlin were European leaders.

In 2017, Labour were 2200 votes short of winning a higher number of seats than the Tories.

These leaks show that millions of campaign funds - raised by members - was siphoned off to protect Mps to the right of the party, rather than distributing it in target seats.

I have no issue with you believing Labour would've been better off with another leader, and 2019 was a disaster. But, had even a neutral HQ been in operation under Corbyn's rule, he would've been PM in 2017.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

I'm not really sure how 2,200 votes could have made a difference. Labour gained around 30 seats overall with 20 coming from the Tories.

The Tories, whith May, bedroom tax, brexit, tuition fees, austerity, return of fox hunting, care plans. Plus people were pissed of with them for trying to call another election in the first place. Any decent oposition would have taken May to the cleaners for being so arrogant. Blair would have won a landslide.

It was really a choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich.

He effectively won 4 more seats than Gordon Brown after the financial crisis. He was pretty much down to the core labour support, who then abandoned him in 2019 when the Tories produced a half decent candidate.

The middle ground hate Corbyn.

I'm not really here to get into another argument about Corbyn as his time has come and gone. But it's worth remembering that in 2017, he didn't only win core Labour voters: he won 40% of the electorate, more than Blair did in 2005.

But 2019 was a disaster and those of us on the left have a lot to learn from it.

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

That is a little disingenious. There were 7 Tory seats with thin victory margins that could have swung Labours way but only if those votes could be distributed specifically. And everything is full of 'what ifs'.

Now that is a bloody good point and if I was a Corbyn supporter in the Labour Party I would be fuming about that. One of the most shocking acts of betrayal I can recollect in British politics in the modern era. Absolutely despicable.

Nah. Labour would still not have been able to form a Government. A coalition with the SNP might have offered a short term stay in Number 10 but at the cost of a second referendum and utter melt-down in England. Tempting yes but mid to long term? Disastrous.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

HA HA

Exactly!!!

Labour's first mission is to become a government. So it begs the question even more: why were there so many actively working to prevent this from happening?

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

Yup. He should have accepted brexit and then if in power try to get some independence in decision and operation of the uk from the EU. Then try to show we can be in the EU in a different form. Who knows if we the public would go for that in a few years but to not even realise he was fighting a battle he had already lost was dumb.

Basically tried to appease the Leavers and the Remainers amongst their own party - leaving a very incoherent policy.
Boris' triumph was in being clear in that Leave would definitely happen - regardless of party critics. Like it or lump it. The message was clear - whether you agreed with it or not.
This made Labour look indecisive and divided - which they clearly were. Whilst Boris seemed dynamic and strong.
One could imagine never ending European negotiations with Corbyn, whilst Boris was not going to give Europe the chance to draw things out ad infinitum.

Red and Blue Army!