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 johnno42000  11 May 19 3.25pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Penge Eagle
And millions of Christians had got killed because of their beliefs also. But I think we've moved on from 500 years ago. Unless you think we should go back to the medieval times? However, when reporters across the mainstream media remove the word 'muslim' from articles in order to follow a political narrative, they are no longer journalists but activists. I agree with your comments about not stating Muslims in reports. I still think it is hypocritical of Christians to say they are being persecuted when for so long they persecuted and murdered so many people. I am not sure why you say 500 years as Christians have forcibly been 'converting' people up until quite recently. Admittedly not always murder but scary stuff nonetheless [Link]
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Stirlingsays  11 May 19 4.11pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
I agree with your comments about not stating Muslims in reports. I still think it is hypocritical of Christians to say they are being persecuted when for so long they persecuted and murdered so many people. I am not sure why you say 500 years as Christians have forcibly been 'converting' people up until quite recently. Admittedly not always murder but scary stuff nonetheless [Link]
You could use this same nonsensical argument about the pagans who were killing people as well before the Christians turned up.
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| johnno42000 11 May 19 4.51pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You could use this same nonsensical argument about the pagans who were killing people as well before the Christians turned up. I never said that Pagans weren't guilty of the same thing, albeit on a far smaller scale. If you read the link I posted you will see that Christians have been guilty of atrocities in relatively recent times so I'm not sure when an agreed cut off point is used for the sins of the fathers argument? Also who gets to decide when? Edited by johnno42000 (11 May 2019 4.54pm)
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 19 5.12pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
I never said that Pagans weren't guilty of the same thing, albeit on a far smaller scale. Really, how would you know? Pagans would have been around for far more thousands of years than the Christians. Using this line of reasoning the Pagans have absolutely nothing to complain about.....because as a pagan you share the guilt today. Originally posted by johnno42000
If you read the link I posted you will see that Christians have been guilty of atrocities in relatively recent times so I'm not sure when an agreed cut off point is used for the sins of the fathers argument? It's in the words. According to pew, from 2010 data, there are over 2 billion Christians. Up until a couple of decades ago I was amongst their number. A person is only responsible for their deeds. It's not a responsible action to suggest that a person can take responsibility for the actions of another....just as we don't punish a relation for the actions of their relative....it's a dangerous and unjust road to go down. I'm fully for attacking the ideas of Christianity as with all religions including your own. If there are messages from within the religion that you think justify violence or you think the religion is culturally incompatible with secular society....again, I'm willing to listen....but, 'sins of the fathers' arguments? Na.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 11 May 19 5.13pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
I never said that Pagans weren't guilty of the same thing, albeit on a far smaller scale. If you read the link I posted you will see that Christians have been guilty of atrocities in relatively recent times so I'm not sure when an agreed cut off point is used for the sins of the fathers argument? Also who gets to decide when? Edited by johnno42000 (11 May 2019 4.54pm) How about we agree that all physical abuse/murder done today is wrong and should be condemned – irrespective of the past.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 11 May 19 5.41pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
I agree with your comments about not stating Muslims in reports. I still think it is hypocritical of Christians to say they are being persecuted when for so long they persecuted and murdered so many people. I am not sure why you say 500 years as Christians have forcibly been 'converting' people up until quite recently. Admittedly not always murder but scary stuff nonetheless [Link] They either are being persecuted or not. It is also a very blinkered view of history to think that Christians were the only one's persecuting people. In any case, comparing the massacre of Christians in the 21st century to what happened in centuries past is to suggest that Islam is still living in the dark ages.
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| johnno42000 11 May 19 7.48pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's in the words. According to pew, from 2010 data, there are over 2 billion Christians. Up until a couple of decades ago I was amongst their number. A person is only responsible for their deeds. It's not a responsible action to suggest that a person can take responsibility for the actions of another....just as we don't punish a relation for the actions of their relative....it's a dangerous and unjust road to go down. I'm fully for attacking the ideas of Christianity as with all religions including your own. If there are messages from within the religion that you think justify violence or you think the religion is culturally incompatible with secular society....again, I'm willing to listen....but, 'sins of the fathers' arguments? Na. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 May 2019 5.17pm) That is not the same at all. Christianity is a religion that has been going for many years and, if you know the history of the religion, you will know what bad, and good, things it has done. You therefore make a conscious choice to join their club. That is not the same as having a relative who does bad things as you have no choice in their being a relative. If you join the club you become collectively accountable for the good and bad things the club has done and will do. Much like being a supporter of a football club, like Millwall, who get punished based partly on a history of hooliganism (ie previous incidents put on a suspended basis). As far as your point about Pagans it is very difficult to equate the two religions as there is no World central tenet to Paganism so the collective responsibility would be only on the type of Pagan you are. I realise a similar thing could be said of Christianity (Catholic, Protestant etc) but the central idea of a belief in the Bible and a one God seems to be the essential criteria for being a Christian. That is not the same with Paganism where you can believe in one God, many Gods, Roman Gods, Celtic Gods etc, the list is endless. So, whilst you can say a Pagan who believes in the Roman Gods may be held responsible for the historical killing of Christians that were killed in the Games, you could not hold a Celtic Pagan as responsible.
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| johnno42000 11 May 19 7.48pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Penge Eagle
How about we agree that all physical abuse/murder done today is wrong and should be condemned – irrespective of the past. No argument from me on that
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| johnno42000 11 May 19 7.51pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
They either are being persecuted or not. It is also a very blinkered view of history to think that Christians were the only one's persecuting people. In any case, comparing the massacre of Christians in the 21st century to what happened in centuries past is to suggest that Islam is still living in the dark ages. They may well be persecuted, I'm not disagreeing with that but they are also hypocritical. I never said that they were the only ones who persecuted people. I don't disagree about some believers in Islam living in the Dark Ages.
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| Stirlingsays 11 May 19 8.35pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
That is not the same at all. Christianity is a religion that has been going for many years and, if you know the history of the religion, you will know what bad, and good, things it has done. You therefore make a conscious choice to join their club. That is not the same as having a relative who does bad things as you have no choice in their being a relative. So people raised from birth have a conscious choice to 'join the club'? Is this like the 99 percent of Muslims in some Islamic countries made a 'conscious choice to become Muslims. I don't think this reflects reality. Many old people find comfort and companionship in church communities. For the young being told as a child that you're going to hell for disbelief also has powerful effects on many....also some might be naturally gullible or have low IQs and just believe stuff. Would we blame people for low IQs? Many people don't in fact get the choice, not in any practical sense. Also a relative shares a set amount of the genes of their relative. Whether they made that choice or not is irrelevant if we are going to start placing blame onto people for the acts of others. A son could be said to be like a father. Originally posted by johnno42000
If you join the club you become collectively accountable for the good and bad things the club has done and will do. ? No you don't. How much you wish to associate yourself with the actions of others is for you. No one can be told they are responsible for the actions of another. That's actually the law and it's been that way since medieval times. Originally posted by johnno42000
Much like being a supporter of a football club, like Millwall, who get punished based partly on a history of hooliganism (ie previous incidents put on a suspended basis). So if you support Millwall you support hooligans because a percent of Millwall supporters are violent? Unless there is something inherent within Millwall itself as a football club which encourages or enables violence I don't see how we can attack Millwall football club itself. Every club has violent fans, I don't feel responsible for what another individual who supports Palace does. I reject the notion that I should. It's certainly true that Millwall have a historic problem in this area and that's why they attract a certain percent of violent fans.....but it's not fair on the majority of fans who just support the club to say they share a responsibility. Originally posted by johnno42000
As far as your point about Pagans it is very difficult to equate the two religions as there is no World central tenet to Paganism so the collective responsibility would be only on the type of Pagan you are. If you are going to allow different distinctions for pagans based upon your criteria then you can't fairly deny that to Christians also. I fail to see how the 'central belief' of believing in one god makes a difference to responsibility as opposed to believing in many. So you can't hold a protestant responsible for what the catholics do or did if you also think that one form of Pagan isn't responsible for what another form did because they differ in belief. Believing in one god, many or none has nothing to do with whether the belief deserves culpability or not for the action. In short, in my view, the 'historical guilt' argument holds no merit. Just as with religion If you wish to feel guilt or hold belief that's fine, just as long as others aren't told or expected to believe the same.
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| johnno42000 12 May 19 2.52am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you are going to allow different distinctions for pagans based upon your criteria then you can't fairly deny that to Christians also. I fail to see how the 'central belief' of believing in one god makes a difference to responsibility as opposed to believing in many. So you can't hold a protestant responsible for what the catholics do or did if you also think that one form of Pagan isn't responsible for what another form did because they differ in belief. Believing in one god, many or none has nothing to do with whether the belief deserves culpability or not for the action. In short, in my view, the 'historical guilt' argument holds no merit. Just as with religion If you wish to feel guilt or hold belief that's fine, just as long as others aren't told or expected to believe the same.
We will have to agree to disagree as I believe that Christians are being hypocritical and you don't and our twain will never meet.
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| Stirlingsays 12 May 19 3.09am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
We will have to agree to disagree as I believe that Christians are being hypocritical and you don't and our twain will never meet. Cool, we don't agree on this but it's your opinion and I enjoyed the discussion. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 May 2019 3.10am)
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| Hrolf The Ganger 12 May 19 10.45am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by johnno42000
They may well be persecuted, I'm not disagreeing with that but they are also hypocritical. I never said that they were the only ones who persecuted people. I don't disagree about some believers in Islam living in the Dark Ages. What has 'hypocritical' got to do with anything? No one should be murdered or made to fear for their lives. Right now, Islam is the aggressor. What happened in the past cannot be changed. What is happening now needs to be recognised and hot ignored.
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| dannyboy1978 14 May 19 6.56am |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle See the difference in words and use of language in this story. If this happened in the UK racism would be all over this story. BBC News - Sri Lanka vows 'maximum force' against anti-Muslim rioters
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 May 19 6.50pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Maine Eagle
Does anyone know where I can get a good strawberry milkshake near the Old Bailey? No doubt another misuse of the law and taxpayers money to silence someone who speaks out against the tyranny of the establishment. Sad to see in this country really. I used to think Britain was above this kind of state terrorism.
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| Maine Eagle USA 14 May 19 6.57pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
No doubt another misuse of the law and taxpayers money to silence someone who speaks out against the tyranny of the establishment. Sad to see in this country really. I used to think Britain was above this kind of state terrorism. No he broke the law by filming people entering or leaving court, or whatever that little twerp did. No ideas on the milkshake? Could go with McDonalds as its quite thick and adheres to surfaces well. I am not sure if you want one of those thinner ones that will just wash off easily.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 14 May 19 7.11pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Maine Eagle
No he broke the law by filming people entering or leaving court, or whatever that little twerp did. No ideas on the milkshake? Could go with McDonalds as its quite thick and adheres to surfaces well. I am not sure if you want one of those thinner ones that will just wash off easily. Disingenuous and worthy of someone with the mind of a schoolboy. You know exactly why he is being harassed and it's got nothing to do with filming people.
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| Maine Eagle USA 14 May 19 7.16pm |
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Disingenuous and worthy of someone with the mind of a schoolboy. You know exactly why he is being harassed and it's got nothing to do with filming people. You are a hoot. I love chatting about these things with you as I dont have a single friend, family member or colleague/business associate who is like you, Hrolf, and its a real experience. He deserves to be harassed is the irony there, but lets leave that to one side for now. But he is not being harassed here, he is being charged with a criminal act, Hrolf. It is Hreally breaking the law to film people during court proceedings. Should Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon not be held accountable for breaking the law? I think I will go with Shake Shack at Covent Garden and walk over. Edited by Maine Eagle (14 May 2019 7.18pm)
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This post has been merged from a topic called 'BBC fake news - Tommy Robinson' by Midlands Eagle Originally posted by Maine Eagle
No he broke the law by filming people entering or leaving court, or whatever that little twerp did. No ideas on the milkshake? Could go with McDonalds as its quite thick and adheres to surfaces well. I am not sure if you want one of those thinner ones that will just wash off easily. Just to let you know how wrong this is (and plenty of previous anti-Tommy videos).
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