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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 03 Mar 21 3.07pm

He must be desperate if he thinks freeports will be much cop.

They were trialled here with nothing particular in favour, you are probably losing jobs rather than making them.

Also they allowed in the EU, so they are not a benefit of brexit.

Budgets seem like an accounting fiddle to me, I never think they will make much difference.

An Attlee style post-war reset is about as likely as us winning 8-0 tonight.

I can dream......


 

Stirlingsays Flag 03 Mar 21 4.26pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

He must be desperate if he thinks freeports will be much cop.

They were trialled here with nothing particular in favour, you are probably losing jobs rather than making them.

Also they allowed in the EU, so they are not a benefit of brexit.

Budgets seem like an accounting fiddle to me, I never think they will make much difference.

An Attlee style post-war reset is about as likely as us winning 8-0 tonight.

I can dream......


Never forget that Attlee did that with Marshall plan American money...which we don't have.

Unless like Dan you just think we can endlessly borrow it all and continually grow to offset it.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Mar 21 10.48am

More mouthing off from the EU lackeys:

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DanH Flag SW2 04 Mar 21 11.04am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Never forget that Attlee did that with Marshall plan American money...which we don't have.

Unless like Dan you just think we can endlessly borrow it all and continually grow to offset it.

Economic theory as based on centuries of empirical evidence = wrong.

Stirling's opinion formed in his own underground shelter based on his loose understanding of how things work and his thoughts on how things *should* work in his own mind = correct.

An unserious man.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Mar 21 11.16am

Originally posted by ASCPFC

More mouthing off from the EU lackeys:

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You would have thought that the message would have got through to the Irish by now (maybe the voters certainly not the politicians) . The EU is quite happy to throw them under the bus in pursuit of it's vendetta against the UK.

Irish fishing has been decimated and they have made importing and exporting goods a lot harder for the Irish, thanks EU.

 


One more point

ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Mar 21 11.20am

Originally posted by Badger11

You would have thought that the message would have got through to the Irish by now (maybe the voters certainly not the politicians) . The EU is quite happy to throw them under the bus in pursuit of it's vendetta against the UK.

Irish fishing has been decimated and they have made importing and exporting goods a lot harder for the Irish, thanks EU.

The politicians are paid off, increasingly the people are fed up with them. Irish people tend to only get pushed so far. My guess is next election Sinn Fein. Arguably the most anti-EU party, but of course anti-UK too. Hard Times, fun times, who knows?

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 04 Mar 21 12.56pm

Originally posted by DanH

Economic theory as based on centuries of empirical evidence = wrong.

Stirling's opinion formed in his own underground shelter based on his loose understanding of how things work and his thoughts on how things *should* work in his own mind = correct.

An unserious man.

What irritates me is that you accuse me of ignorance and arrogance when your own statements appear to show little more detail than GCSE level understanding. My position is supported in the economic world probably at levels higher than your apparent one.

The economic theory of centuries does not support your 'just borrow' and MMT approach as ok. There are countless examples where excess borrowing has ruined economies: from Argentina to Germany itself. Interest rates change Dan and are governed by global events outside our exclusive economic control.

You ignore the truth that economies are built completely on confidence. That confidence is that repayment will actually be guaranteed on debt and that requires an economy that outperforms it.

It's important to note that it's not just government debt that's the problem either. Personal and corporate debt are at unstainable levels and this also has to lower which will affect people's wealth just as much if not more.

As I stated at the beginning....and it still remains true. The position of people like you is that of a tightrope walker predicting that no gust of wind will ever blow him off his rope.

Our current debt to GDP is at levels not seen outside of world conflicts and the evidence of the past is that an upward curve is not sustainable. It has to move downwards not upwards for economies to work. I will attach the stats that show that economists throughout the ages have understood this. The graph doesn't show the years since 2008 but I understand we are up at WW2 debt levels now.

The statistics show that after both world conflicts debt levels reduced significantly compared to before. These levels took many decades to come down to good levels and the affect upon and the common man (you know those your politics lies that it cares about) wasn't wonderful.....and that's in times where the welfare burden was nothing...I repeat nothing compared to today.

Personally I think our GDP will perform reasonably compared to our competitors however for this decade it won't save us from coming economic burdens.

The future is a gathering momentum of economic hardship for the majority unless something in this picture changes. Only technology (which politicians rely upon) can offset it.....Can AI and automation save modern economies....In my view that will take time and until then vulnerable people are going to suffer before and during transitionary phases. And people like you just fool yourselves and others....like your idea that taxes don't need to increase.

You completely ignore the very real difficulties and problems concurrent with your approach within the modern context. When the truth is that economically this decade will be more like the fifties than the nineties for most.

But everything's going to be ok in Dan's 'fantasy economics' universe.


Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2021 1.09pm)

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Matov Flag 04 Mar 21 2.01pm

Originally posted by Badger11

You would have thought that the message would have got through to the Irish by now (maybe the voters certainly not the politicians) . The EU is quite happy to throw them under the bus in pursuit of it's vendetta against the UK.

Irish fishing has been decimated and they have made importing and exporting goods a lot harder for the Irish, thanks EU.

What makes me smile is the EU have not even ratified the treaty and now they want to play silly buggers over it?

To be fair, the border in the Irish sea should never have been implemented. There should be zero controls on any goods between Northern Ireland and the mainland and shame on Boris and co for even countenancing such a move. But the EU have shown how unwilling they are to make it actually work so might as well tear it up altogether.

Now is the time to declare the 'deal' with the EU dead and buried. Announce that we are not intending to put up any border infrastructure between us and the ROI. If they want to mess about with our exports to them then let them. It is a minuscule amount over that border anyway. And since they are pissing us about as it is on the various borders, lets at least have some equivalency.

Then we go zero tariffs on all non-EU agricultural items and let the world send us its produce. Let's not piss about anymore. A genuine trade reset is happening anyway thanks to Covid so lets actually make it happen.

Pleased to see Lord Frost is setting his stall out nice and early.


Edited by Matov (04 Mar 2021 2.03pm)

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 04 Mar 21 2.14pm

Originally posted by Matov

What makes me smile is the EU have not even ratified the treaty and now they want to play silly buggers over it?

To be fair, the border in the Irish sea should never have been implemented. There should be zero controls on any goods between Northern Ireland and the mainland and shame on Boris and co for even countenancing such a move. But the EU have shown how unwilling they are to make it actually work so might as well tear it up altogether.

Now is the time to declare the 'deal' with the EU dead and buried. Announce that we are not intending to put up any border infrastructure between us and the ROI. If they want to mess about with our exports to them then let them. It is a minuscule amount over that border anyway. And since they are pissing us about as it is on the various borders, lets at least have some equivalency.

Then we go zero tariffs on all non-EU agricultural items and let the world send us its produce. Let's not piss about anymore. A genuine trade reset is happening anyway thanks to Covid so lets actually make it happen.

Pleased to see Lord Frost is setting his stall out nice and early.


Edited by Matov (04 Mar 2021 2.03pm)

If the EU genuinely cared about the Island of Ireland they would set up a preferred trader system for the major corporations to eliminate the unnecessary paperwork. It is a simple and obvious solution which shows that they still want to punish us.

 


One more point

The Dolphin Flag 04 Mar 21 2.53pm

Given that the EU is doing everything in its power to make life difficult as opposed to their "desire to work together" I would tell them to stick everything where the sun don't shine and just get on with it.

 

Matov Flag 04 Mar 21 3.43pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Given that the EU is doing everything in its power to make life difficult as opposed to their "desire to work together" I would tell them to stick everything where the sun don't shine and just get on with it.

I do agree but the UK government needs to take a huge share of the blame for this.

The EU, by its very nature, was never going to play ball. It literally sees Brexit as a direct threat to its existence and events of the last few months have done nothing to assuage that fear/paranoia.

There never was, at least in the short term, a workable deal with the EU. That much was obvious to anybody with even the most basic understanding of how the EU functions. All the evidence in plain sight. The way in which other referendums were ignored or forced to be re-run and so on.

Which is fine. That is what it is and why we needed to be on the outside. Where Johnson and co have f***ed up is even contemplating this nonsense whereby goods going from the main-land to Northern Ireland are subject to any controls whatsoever. Utterly unworkable.

Heaping all the blame on the EU is like blaming a wild dog for biting and snatching at things. That is its nature. The real idiot is the one who thinks he can pat it on its head and then expect it to abide by an agreement not to be a c***.

We need to simply accept that a deal is not workable and move on from there. As we should have done in the first place. And the blame for that lays solely with Downing street. Brussels is full of s***c***s but so what? That is what they are and have never pretended to be any different.

Edited by Matov (04 Mar 2021 3.43pm)

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 04 Mar 21 4.54pm

The US have dropped the punitive tariffs applied to UK goods we were in the EU, due to ongoing disputes of protectionism between the two.

We could do this because, of course, we now control our own tariff schedules, and we are no longer in the EU customs union.

Let's hope this temporary suspension is given permanent effect. I assume we have no intention of re-introducing the EU's counter-measures given we are now third parties in the dispute.

I'll assume it was OK for the EU to act illegally in subsidising Airbus. It's only bad when the UK does things. Brexit bad, etc etc.

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davenotamonkey Flag 04 Mar 21 4.58pm

Italy and EU block vaccines to Australia:

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This is a dick move. Given we are outside of the EU and therefore not subject to their "protectionist EUroNationalist scheme"... sorry, "export transparency scheme", I would be happy to request AZ send 250k from our factories to our *actual* friends and allies in Australia (as opposed to the belligerent tossers on our doorstep our political class claim are our "friends and allies")

Edited by davenotamonkey (04 Mar 2021 4.59pm)

 

Matov Flag 09 Mar 21 10.33am

Gotta love the EU.


EU parliament strips Carles Puigdemont and two other Catalans of immunity

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Stirlingsays Flag 09 Mar 21 10.38am

Originally posted by Matov

Gotta love the EU.


EU parliament strips Carles Puigdemont and two other Catalans of immunity

[Link]

Evil.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 09 Mar 21 11.32am

Not sure what immunity the EU parliament gave, it is a matter for Spain.

They reside in Belgium where previous attempts to extradite have been refused by the courts.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 09 Mar 21 5.32pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Not sure what immunity the EU parliament gave, it is a matter for Spain.

They reside in Belgium where previous attempts to extradite have been refused by the courts.

Is Scottish independence a matter for the rest of the UK to decide upon then?

If the Scottish vote for independence do we get to look to jail their leaders?

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2021 5.34pm)

 


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davenotamonkey Flag 10 Mar 21 10.09am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Is Scottish independence a matter for the rest of the UK to decide upon then?

If the Scottish vote for independence do we get to look to jail their leaders?

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Mar 2021 5.34pm)

Maybe the UK could offer them political asylum? It's fairly despicible that the EU jails it's political dissidents - right out of the China playbook. I suppose if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.

 

Stirlingsays Flag 10 Mar 21 11.59am

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Maybe the UK could offer them political asylum? It's fairly despicible that the EU jails it's political dissidents - right out of the China playbook. I suppose if they didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all.

Times ten.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 11 Mar 21 3.51pm

Pro-Brexit Tory minister proudly claims ‘British wind’ will be used to power UK homes.

Paul Scully (again). How's that coal-mine going Paul?

The mind boggles.

Foreign wind, of course, will have to be checked at UK borders.

Remember to check that the wind used to power your home has been sourced responsibly in the United Kingdom.

No more Johnny Foreigner wind send it back.

 

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