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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
I've already said he offered a no deal Brexit to Johnson in August 2019. Please see my original comments. He would of course of wanted a deal earlier. But because of the E.U. FASCISTS, one wasn't possible. It's totally contextual. You are not seeing that I assume. Farage asking for a no deal brexit in 2016 which he didn't and then for real on 2019 is contextual. Got it? Lol Using terms like fascism are not emotional Mr Wisbech. Just saying it how it is. I'm pleased you find it amusing. I just think you're making this about Nigel and not bank accounts being closed down. If you want to call Johnson a con man; then I totally agree. The vote for Brexit was do you want to leave? Yes or no. We voted no. People knew what they were voting for.
Edited by Mattconrov (30 Jul 2023 2.05pm) What you actually said was that he offered Johnson a no-deal Brexit. He didn't, as he couldn't. He offered an election pact if Johnson agreed to promote a no-deal Brexit. The context is indeed important. If you don't think describing those who are almost all social democrats, fascists, isn't based on an emotional response to the EU, fine. I do. It isn't how it is. There are a few who might deserve that epithet, but they are all on the right. This particular mini thread is about Farage's hypocrisy over his use of the personal event with Couttes to promote himself, whilst ignoring a much bigger event, involving thousands of people, caused by an event he promoted. It's all therefore about bank account closures.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Is one of those questions why David Cameron escapes censure despite not being forced to offer the referendum for any reason other than his own party fearing losing their seats to UKIP? Off thread, but certainly. Cameron, and those behind him, bear a heavy responsibility not only for allowing Brexit to happen but also for creating circumstances which will probably result in the destruction of the Tory Party, something they were fearful of when they agreed to hold a referendum.
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| Mattconrov 30 Jul 23 3.34pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What you actually said was that he offered Johnson a no-deal Brexit. He didn't, as he couldn't. He offered an election pact if Johnson agreed to promote a no-deal Brexit. The context is indeed important. If you don't think describing those who are almost all social democrats, fascists, isn't based on an emotional response to the EU, fine. I do. It isn't how it is. There are a few who might deserve that epithet, but they are all on the right. This particular mini thread is about Farage's hypocrisy over his use of the personal event with Couttes to promote himself, whilst ignoring a much bigger event, involving thousands of people, caused by an event he promoted. It's all therefore about bank account closures. Nigel offered his support for a no brexit deal by standing down candidates. Pact or support. Means the same thing. People voted no on 2016. Then voted for a conservative government in 2017 and 2019. So we voted 3 times to leave. The last election was overwhelming the n support of brexit.As much as I dislike the main parties. I even voted for Johnson. That may not be relevant to what we're talking about. But I thought I'd remind you. Anyways I'm done. Till the next time. Love Matt.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 4.27pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
Nigel offered his support for a no brexit deal by standing down candidates. Pact or support. Means the same thing. People voted no on 2016. Then voted for a conservative government in 2017 and 2019. So we voted 3 times to leave. The last election was overwhelming the n support of brexit.As much as I dislike the main parties. I even voted for Johnson. That may not be relevant to what we're talking about. But I thought I'd remind you. Anyways I'm done. Till the next time. Love Matt. It isn't relevant. People did vote no, just, in 2016. In 2017 and 2019 they voted back in a Tory government. Reversing Brexit was not on offer from either of the two big parties, so not a live issue. Keeping Corbyn out of power was a much bigger factor.
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 becky over the moon 30 Jul 23 4.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
None of this though is really the point, which is that, for whatever reason, people lost their UK bank accounts as a consequence of Brexit, something Farage advocated for many years, welcomed unreservedly and still believes was necessary. To ignore that, whilst working himself into a faux rage over current account closures, is indicative of the fake nature of the man. I totally fail to see how any blame can be put on NF for the closure of overseas people's bank accounts. Yes, he advocated for Brexit, but was in no way responsible for delivering it, or the terms of our withdrawal. If people chose, under Brexit, to change their country of residence then that was their free choice - they cannot then complain that they are, as EX-patriots, required to obey the financial requirements of the country in which they have chosen to live, or comply with the rules of the country that they have chosen to leave, nor can NF be blamed for their choices. NF is a resident of the UK, broke no financial regulations, had the confidentiality that he was entitled to expect from a financial institute breached in a very public way, and yet, when he rightly complains, he seems to be cast as the felon in all this!
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Jul 23 4.57pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No, they had their UK bank accounts closed because they live in the EU and we were no longer a member. I live in the EU, the bank didn't close my account....maybe I just had too much money in it?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 5.25pm |
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Originally posted by becky
I totally fail to see how any blame can be put on NF for the closure of overseas people's bank accounts. Yes, he advocated for Brexit, but was in no way responsible for delivering it, or the terms of our withdrawal. If people chose, under Brexit, to change their country of residence then that was their free choice - they cannot then complain that they are, as EX-patriots, required to obey the financial requirements of the country in which they have chosen to live, or comply with the rules of the country that they have chosen to leave, nor can NF be blamed for their choices. NF is a resident of the UK, broke no financial regulations, had the confidentiality that he was entitled to expect from a financial institute breached in a very public way, and yet, when he rightly complains, he seems to be cast as the felon in all this! I don't think he should be blamed either. With due respect that's not the issue. The people involved didn't change their country of residence. They were already living in EU countries but had their UK bank accounts closed as a consequence of Brexit, something Farage advocated and campaigned for. They now have problems with receiving their pensions etc. The issue is his lack of attention to their plight, when there are thousands impacted, whilst getting in a froth over others who almost certainly are able to easily access alternatives, which the other group cannot. They did nothing wrong, or moved anywhere. This all happened because we voted to leave. It's the hypocrisy which is the issue. Maybe you don't see any hypocrisy but others do. Not just myself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 5.28pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
I live in the EU, the bank didn't close my account....maybe I just had too much money in it? I suspect that maybe because you have a UK address you are able to use for mail. That's all that's required but a surprisingly large number of people seem not to have one.
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Teddy Eagle  30 Jul 23 5.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think he should be blamed either. With due respect that's not the issue. The people involved didn't change their country of residence. They were already living in EU countries but had their UK bank accounts closed as a consequence of Brexit, something Farage advocated and campaigned for. They now have problems with receiving their pensions etc. The issue is his lack of attention to their plight, when there are thousands impacted, whilst getting in a froth over others who almost certainly are able to easily access alternatives, which the other group cannot. They did nothing wrong, or moved anywhere. This all happened because we voted to leave. It's the hypocrisy which is the issue. Maybe you don't see any hypocrisy but others do. Not just myself. Or he's being economical with his sincerity.
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cryrst  The garden of England 30 Jul 23 5.30pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
I live in the EU, the bank didn't close my account....maybe I just had too much money in it? Now stop using 1st hand facts please. It totally destroys people’s arguments
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| the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 30 Jul 23 6.59pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I suspect that maybe because you have a UK address you are able to use for mail. That's all that's required but a surprisingly large number of people seem not to have one. wrong again wizsie, only address is here in France.. actually went into a branCh in Ipswich last week, no problem with French address
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jul 23 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
I live in the EU, the bank didn't close my account....maybe I just had too much money in it? Some UK banks chose to stop offering the service, some continued but no bank was forced to stop providing it. It's a bit like closing branches, its at the whim of the bank.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 7.52pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or he's being economical with his sincerity. Now that's funny! But also true!
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by the silurian
wrong again wizsie, only address is here in France.. actually went into a branCh in Ipswich last week, no problem with French address From what I have read some banks were able to find work-arounds, so maybe you have been lucky. I think Santander, being a Spanish bank, were able to do that, but I am not certain. Others have not been so lucky. Many thousands lost their accounts.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 7.59pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Some UK banks chose to stop offering the service, some continued but no bank was forced to stop providing it. It's a bit like closing branches, its at the whim of the bank. I read it was based on the advice of their lawyers and whether to continue was legal in their particular circumstances. Not a lot of "whim" involved in that, if true!
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 georgenorman 30 Jul 23 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't think he should be blamed either. With due respect that's not the issue. The people involved didn't change their country of residence. They were already living in EU countries but had their UK bank accounts closed as a consequence of Brexit, something Farage advocated and campaigned for. They now have problems with receiving their pensions etc. The issue is his lack of attention to their plight, when there are thousands impacted, whilst getting in a froth over others who almost certainly are able to easily access alternatives, which the other group cannot. They did nothing wrong, or moved anywhere. This all happened because we voted to leave. It's the hypocrisy which is the issue. Maybe you don't see any hypocrisy but others do. Not just myself. Opinion is divided, you think there is hypocrisy, the rest of the world does not. But of course you don't really believe it yourself, it is just yet another example of your endless misrepresentations.
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| Teddy Eagle 30 Jul 23 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I read it was based on the advice of their lawyers and whether to continue was legal in their particular circumstances. Not a lot of "whim" involved in that, if true! The whim was that some banks decided it wasn't worth their while to apply for the necessary permissions to continue.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 30 Jul 23 9.19pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
The whim was that some banks decided it wasn't worth their while to apply for the necessary permissions to continue. Yup just like when they decide to close a branch purely a financial decision and sod the customers.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 10.10pm |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Opinion is divided, you think there is hypocrisy, the rest of the world does not. But of course you don't really believe it yourself, it is just yet another example of your endless misrepresentations. That you deny he is a hypocrite is unsurprising. It also denies the obvious. That you seem to think I am the only one who can see it flies in the face of common sense. Most folk without Farage stars in their eyes can see it. Earlier today I was with a group of friends and brought this subject up. Not one disagreed with my assessment. Some examples of the hypocrisy surrounding him, not all pointing directly at him, or about this particular example, as it's only now happening, but nonetheless he is at the centre of them all. I particularly like the example from Donald Tusk:-
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 30 Jul 23 10.19pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yup just like when they decide to close a branch purely a financial decision and sod the customers. Any closure will surely be taken after assessing many considerations. The footfall. Length of the lease. Nearest accessible alternative. With so much banking now being done online, small branches are bound to be closed. The bottom line though must though be a hard-headed commercial judgement on the ultimate impact on the bottom line. Banks are no different to any other business. They aren't a provider of social care, a public utility or a charity. They are there to earn money for their shareholders.
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