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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer hasn't united labour he has divided it, a quite unjustified suspension. Wasn't he there himself? Ah apology for not acting quickly enough has often been made by JC, but act he did. A third of the population think that labour is anti-semitic which is nonsense, the figure given by the enquiry was 0.3 of 1%. But the UK is just such a hysterical place now. People are allowed their own thoughts on labour and antisemitism. The fact only 1% of labour are is pretty irrelevant. Going to terrorists funerals isnt going to be anything but bad tbh.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Perhaps they’ll get Shami Chakrabarti to conduct another exhaustive enquiry. I was just saying she has done very nicely out of her previous enquiry, which was quite obviously a whitewash which guaranteed her elevation to the House of Lords.
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youtube....''jeremy corbyn Rasta speech''
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But Militant never gained 40% of the vote at an election. Militant never gained 300 000 members for the Labour party. Militant never built policy platforms on renationalisation, a Green New Deal and the Preston model which are now finding cross-party approval. As I repeat, if Starmer thinks that by suspending Corbyn he can move on from his legacy, he is a fool. Had he not suspended Corbyn, he may well have managed it. You're correct about numbers but the effect of Militant was the same as it was with JC and Momentum - it split the Labour Party. If JC, Momentum and the remains of that 300,000 who joined up want to form a new party and take on Labour and the Tories then so be it. I'll listen to their arguments and decide who to support. The central issue here isn't the many strong policies that JC fought elections on, including renationalisation and many others, the central issue we are discussing is that he failed to stop antisemitism rising rabidly in the party. Not only failed to stop it and expel those who were responsible but by his lack of action he condoned and encouraged it. That was his job as leader. Disavow it. Root it out. He didn't. Speak to Labour-supporting Jews who feel robbed of their right to vote for the party they've always believed in and who feel abused by people who confuse and conflate the Israeli/Palestine issue with being Jewish.
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Originally posted by Spiderman
I was just saying she has done very nicely out of her previous enquiry, which was quite obviously a whitewash which guaranteed her elevation to the House of Lords. The word 'Shameless' does not even come into it. Surely though now she will have to step down?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Originally posted by buzby1
You're correct about numbers but the effect of Militant was the same as it was with JC and Momentum - it split the Labour Party. If JC, Momentum and the remains of that 300,000 who joined up want to form a new party and take on Labour and the Tories then so be it. I'll listen to their arguments and decide who to support. The central issue here isn't the many strong policies that JC fought elections on, including renationalisation and many others, the central issue we are discussing is that he failed to stop antisemitism rising rabidly in the party. Not only failed to stop it and expel those who were responsible but by his lack of action he condoned and encouraged it. That was his job as leader. Disavow it. Root it out. He didn't. Speak to Labour-supporting Jews who feel robbed of their right to vote for the party they've always believed in and who feel abused by people who confuse and conflate the Israeli/Palestine issue with being Jewish. But the point which many Jewish people I knew made - and one I have a lot of sympathy for - is that anti-Semitism often isn't explicit, but its unconscious, in the references we make, in the language we use. Many on the left failed properly to appreciate that. But now we have people saying that because Corbyn has been removed, AS has gone away. What?! Surely if it's something so insidious, getting rid of one person doesn't resolve anything. This comes at a time when truly anti-semitic movements like Qanon and the anti-Soros movement are gaining more and more ground. Clearly, we as a society haven't dealt with anti-semitism. But now one person has been suspended from a political party, so it's all fine. And Starmer, who was in the shadow cabinet throughout Corbyn's tenure, can lecture everyone about how tough he is in taking on anti-semitism, and we're all meant to sit here and pretend that the irony of him saying it isn't enough to delegitimise the entire f*cking process.
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But the point which many Jewish people I knew made - and one I have a lot of sympathy for - is that anti-Semitism often isn't explicit, but its unconscious, in the references we make, in the language we use. Many on the left failed properly to appreciate that. But now we have people saying that because Corbyn has been removed, AS has gone away. What?! Surely if it's something so insidious, getting rid of one person doesn't resolve anything. This comes at a time when truly anti-semitic movements like Qanon and the anti-Soros movement are gaining more and more ground. Clearly, we as a society haven't dealt with anti-semitism. But now one person has been suspended from a political party, so it's all fine. And Starmer, who was in the shadow cabinet throughout Corbyn's tenure, can lecture everyone about how tough he is in taking on anti-semitism, and we're all meant to sit here and pretend that the irony of him saying it isn't enough to delegitimise the entire f*cking process. This is about the labour of JC. Not soros or other parts of establishment. His failure to act whilst at the head of the party is the big question and makes him accountable.
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Originally posted by Willo
I seldom partake in the political debates for reasons I have already explained so will make a fleeting appearance on this thread. In my humble estimation, Starmer has made the decision to suspend Corbyn as he believes it is politically convenient to do so.The electorate will remember that he was a prop to Corbyn when the anti-semitism debate was raging.I shall leave it there! Pretty much 99% the reason that politicians do anything then
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Originally posted by serial thriller
But the point which many Jewish people I knew made - and one I have a lot of sympathy for - is that anti-Semitism often isn't explicit, but its unconscious, in the references we make, in the language we use. Many on the left failed properly to appreciate that. But now we have people saying that because Corbyn has been removed, AS has gone away. What?! Surely if it's something so insidious, getting rid of one person doesn't resolve anything. This comes at a time when truly anti-semitic movements like Qanon and the anti-Soros movement are gaining more and more ground. Clearly, we as a society haven't dealt with anti-semitism. But now one person has been suspended from a political party, so it's all fine. And Starmer, who was in the shadow cabinet throughout Corbyn's tenure, can lecture everyone about how tough he is in taking on anti-semitism, and we're all meant to sit here and pretend that the irony of him saying it isn't enough to delegitimise the entire f*cking process.
Whether or not JC subscribed to antisemitic views it's undeniable that many who identified with him did. Momentum and the like fostered this crisis with an ill understood analysis of the Israeli/Palestine situation which reduced everything to simple right or wrong thinking. Look at the We Support Jeremy Corbyn website and you'll see that he's been raised to demigod cult hero status and Israel & Jew have become synonymous. The Labour Party, I think, must now break with JC and Momentum. In the future new leaders of the left will appear and all power to them - I only hope they are informed and not old school antisemitic. Up the Palace!
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Starmer hasn't united labour he has divided it, a quite unjustified suspension. Wasn't he there himself? Ah apology for not acting quickly enough has often been made by JC, but act he did. A third of the population think that labour is anti-semitic which is nonsense, the figure given by the enquiry was 0.3 of 1%. But the UK is just such a hysterical place now. It certainly is. Unfortunately, those on the Liberal/Left are mostly responsible for that. It is highly amusing that you are being bitten on the arse by your own stupidity.
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Originally posted by buzby1
Whether or not JC subscribed to antisemitic views it's undeniable that many who identified with him did. Momentum and the like fostered this crisis with an ill understood analysis of the Israeli/Palestine situation which reduced everything to simple right or wrong thinking. Look at the We Support Jeremy Corbyn website and you'll see that he's been raised to demigod cult hero status and Israel & Jew have become synonymous. The Labour Party, I think, must now break with JC and Momentum. In the future new leaders of the left will appear and all power to them - I only hope they are informed and not old school antisemitic. Up the Palace! It would be better if they split from fair-weather friends like you.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It would be better if they split from fair-weather friends like you. What's that saying about the truth and all that!
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Originally posted by cryrst
I bet bbs is fun. the Tranny bloke who seems to own the BBS will be doing his nut.
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Originally posted by croydon proud
This is true, one of the old school politicians in it for the many, not the few! Unfortunately, the working class masses fall in to the buying a rag every morning to read the sport and read the headlines, made up by the billionaires living abroad favouring our etonian friends, believing that these rich billy bunter/lord snooty types have the working mans interest at heart! I have given up on saving the working classes, i"m quite enjoying sitting back and watching their faith in boris and his cronies unravel, especially up north, i think Jeremy should stick to feeding the homeless in London on christmas day, as he has done for the past 30 years, while boris has a few weeks on his billionaire pals caribbean island free, and the workers enjoy their sandwiches!
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It would be better if they split from fair-weather friends like you. You have no idea who I am or my political position. I’ve worked for Labour and canvassed for Labour for over fifty years. I don’t like antisemitism. I do like socialism. I don’t like uniformed idiots who speak without knowing what they’re talking about.
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But would you?
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell. |
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Originally posted by buzby1
You have no idea who I am or my political position. I’ve worked for Labour and canvassed for Labour for over fifty years. I don’t like antisemitism. I do like socialism. I don’t like uniformed idiots who speak without knowing what they’re talking about. Whoosh
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Originally posted by Matov
But would you? Which one?
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