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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 28 Nov 16 11.36am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The "impossible" aim of encouraging more young people to buy houses will never be achieved without Brexit.

Without Brexit, millions of immigrants will continue to pour into the UK creating a housing shortage and further sustained rise in house prices.

I bet you voted Remain too, but if you were serious about wanting to encourage more home ownership you would be anti-immigration surely?

That is the reality TUX.

Really?

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 12.40pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Really?

Not to mention wage suppression.

Have you not realised that stagnation of wages is directly related to immigration.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Nov 16 12.50pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Not to mention wage suppression.

Have you not realised that stagnation of wages is directly related to immigration.


There are a myriad of reasons according to The Economist.
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As we are nearly all the kids or grandkids or great grandkids of immigrants ourselves let's not be too quick to jump on the next generation. It would be disproportionate.

 


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Painter Flag Croydon 28 Nov 16 1.19pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


There are a myriad of reasons according to The Economist.
[Link]

As we are nearly all the kids or grandkids or great grandkids of immigrants ourselves let's not be too quick to jump on the next generation. It would be disproportionate.

That maybe true, but those days of our forefathers, there wasn't benefits, free health and housing. They came here they had to work to survive.
I don't have any problem with immigration, it helps our economy, as long as they all work, doing jobs our idle job shy won't do.
The situation would improve beyond recognition, if anyone coming to this country from abroad is not entitled to any recourse of government funds, that includes benefits, housing and healthcare. They would be entitled only after they have been in full employment for 2 years.

 

.TUX. Flag 28 Nov 16 2.25pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The "impossible" aim of encouraging more young people to buy houses will never be achieved without Brexit.

Without Brexit, millions of immigrants will continue to pour into the UK creating a housing shortage and further sustained rise in house prices.
I bet you voted Remain too, but if you were serious about wanting to encourage more home ownership you would be anti-immigration surely?

That is the reality TUX.

Firstly, i stopped voting for anything political over 20yrs ago.
Secondly, we've already had this discussion re- Brexit and we both agree that it is for the best

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 4.30pm

Originally posted by Kermit8


There are a myriad of reasons according to The Economist.
[Link]

As we are nearly all the kids or grandkids or great grandkids of immigrants ourselves let's not be too quick to jump on the next generation. It would be disproportionate.

Really? As far as I can make out, most of my ancestors have been here since at least the Norman Conquests. That probably applies to the vast majority of people.

I know you lefties like to avoid reality for the sake of ideology but denying the link between immigration and wages is almost as daft as denying the link with the housing shortage.

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Nov 16 4.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Really? As far as I can make out, most of my ancestors have been here since at least the Norman Conquests. That probably applies to the vast majority of people.

I know you lefties like to avoid reality for the sake of ideology but denying the link between immigration and wages is almost as daft as denying the link with the housing shortage.

You are not at the races today. Half of London has an ethnic background now and even in the 1970's in my class, apart from two (Indian heritage), it was chock near full of European Italian, Polish, Irish, French Portuguese and one Scot descendent kids of immigrants.

I would hazard a guess that not many people at all in the UK have 8 great grandparents that were all born in England.

Edited by Kermit8 (28 Nov 2016 4.55pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 5.03pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

You are not at the races today. Half of London has an ethnic background now and even in the 1970's in my class, apart from two (Indian heritage), it was chock near full of European Italian, Polish, Irish, French Portuguese and one Scot descendent kids of immigrants.

I would hazard a guess that not many people at all in the UK have 8 great grandparents that were all born in England.

Edited by Kermit8 (28 Nov 2016 4.55pm)


Oh man. It has been shown with genetic testing that the vast majority of Britons can trace their genes back to ancient times. You lefties are obsessed with London. Yes, London has always been more transient and multi cultural but once again, it is not representative.

 

Ketteridge Flag Brighton 28 Nov 16 5.26pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Oh man. It has been shown with genetic testing that the vast majority of Britons can trace their genes back to ancient times. You lefties are obsessed with London. Yes, London has always been more transient and multi cultural but once again, it is not representative.

I'm assuming you mean people living in Britain can trace thier roots back to ancient Britain , as I pretty sure everyone can trace their roots back to ancient times somewhere.
You'll be happy to provide a link that shows the majority people living in Britain can trace their roots back to ancient times in Britain , are they 100% British or 50%,25% or0. 0001%, I would be fairly surprised if the majority did not have any British roots I would also be surprised if the majority had 100% British roots. If you are right, fair play I'll adjust my thinking and agree I have a Londoncentric view if so.

Edited by Ketteridge (28 Nov 2016 5.42pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (28 Nov 2016 5.43pm)

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 6.13pm

Originally posted by Ketteridge

I'm assuming you mean people living in Britain can trace thier roots back to ancient Britain , as I pretty sure everyone can trace their roots back to ancient times somewhere.
You'll be happy to provide a link that shows the majority people living in Britain can trace their roots back to ancient times in Britain , are they 100% British or 50%,25% or0. 0001%, I would be fairly surprised if the majority did not have any British roots I would also be surprised if the majority had 100% British roots. If you are right, fair play I'll adjust my thinking and agree I have a Londoncentric view if so.

Edited by Ketteridge (28 Nov 2016 5.42pm)

Edited by Ketteridge (28 Nov 2016 5.43pm)

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Well here's one link. I'm not doing all your homework for you.
Comrade Kermit suggests that we all have recent "foreign" genes in our families. I say that the influence of exotic genes is tiny in most parts of the country with London being a possible exception.

Science is on my side.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Nov 2016 6.14pm)

 

Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Nov 16 6.53pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

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Well here's one link. I'm not doing all your homework for you.
Comrade Kermit suggests that we all have recent "foreign" genes in our families. I say that the influence of exotic genes is tiny in most parts of the country with London being a possible exception.

Science is on my side.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Nov 2016 6.14pm)

Here we go again...

I mention kids of immigrants, any immigrants, European, Scottish, Irish, Asian, African, etc, in reply to your post and now a few posts on you want to narrow them down to the "exotic" ones only to try and prove your original point.

Edited by Kermit8 (28 Nov 2016 6.54pm)

 


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johnfirewall Flag 28 Nov 16 7.38pm

Bit confused by this talk of a 'block' to Brexit over even a 2nd referendum. Strong inflammatory language again.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 8.45pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Here we go again...

I mention kids of immigrants, any immigrants, European, Scottish, Irish, Asian, African, etc, in reply to your post and now a few posts on you want to narrow them down to the "exotic" ones only to try and prove your original point.


Edited by Kermit8 (28 Nov 2016 6.54pm)

Are you on drugs?

You can't even remember what you post, unlike me.

"As we are nearly all the kids or grandkids or great grandkids of immigrants ourselves let's not be too quick to jump on the next generation. It would be disproportionate."

Now you are back peddling faster than the speed of light.

 

Ketteridge Flag Brighton 28 Nov 16 9.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

[Link]

Well here's one link. I'm not doing all your homework for you.
Comrade Kermit suggests that we all have recent "foreign" genes in our families. I say that the influence of exotic genes is tiny in most parts of the country with London being a possible exception.

Science is on my side.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (28 Nov 2016 6.14pm)

Well it's not really on your side is it? you claim that the majority of Britains can trace there roots back to ancient Britain.
Did you miss the fairly large qualifier of the sample 'study analysed the DNA of 2,039 people from rural areas of the UK, whose four grandparents were all born within 80km of each other' So any one who is from a city or town is excluded, anyone who has one grandparent has moved to an area is excluded.
Of this restricted sample living in the eastern, central and southern England only 10-40% of the ancestry can be traced to anglo-saxon roots, so I'm assuming 60-90% of the ancestry of this fairly exclusive can be traced to other areas
If I'm understanding it correctly it is saying certain genes have a concordance rate to certain areas, not that certain areas have a high concordance of similar genes.


 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 28 Nov 16 9.12pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Are you on drugs?

You can't even remember what you post, unlike me.

"As we are nearly all the kids or grandkids or great grandkids of immigrants ourselves let's not be too quick to jump on the next generation. It would be disproportionate."

Now you are back peddling faster than the speed of light.

Luckily, I don't suffer from selective amnesia as you often do when questioned.

Tell me, out of your eight great-grandparents were any not born in England? Ireland, perhaps? Is your DNA 100% Anglo as far back as say 1850?

 


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Painter Flag Croydon 28 Nov 16 9.22pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Luckily, I don't suffer from selective amnesia as you often do when questioned.

Tell me, out of your eight great-grandparents were any not born in England? Ireland, perhaps? Is your DNA 100% Anglo as far back as say 1850?

I don't think any of the Royal Family or the Government can, but who really cares!

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 9.28pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Luckily, I don't suffer from selective amnesia as you often do when questioned.

Tell me, out of your eight great-grandparents were any not born in England? Ireland, perhaps? Is your DNA 100% Anglo as far back as say 1850?

A bit desperate if you are now including Ireland.

I have one Northern Irish great great grand parent. That is the best I can do for you Kermy.

The odd incursion by non British people has next to no impact on the gene pool outside of London in thousands of years. I know it suits your narrative to claim otherwise. I expect a lefty loon is making up new history somewhere as we speak.

 

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 28 Nov 16 9.32pm

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Well it's not really on your side is it? you claim that the majority of Britains can trace there roots back to ancient Britain.
Did you miss the fairly large qualifier of the sample 'study analysed the DNA of 2,039 people from rural areas of the UK, whose four grandparents were all born within 80km of each other' So any one who is from a city or town is excluded, anyone who has one grandparent has moved to an area is excluded.
Of this restricted sample living in the eastern, central and southern England only 10-40% of the ancestry can be traced to anglo-saxon roots, so I'm assuming 60-90% of the ancestry of this fairly exclusive can be traced to other areas
If I'm understanding it correctly it is saying certain genes have a concordance rate to certain areas, not that certain areas have a high concordance of similar genes.


Anglo Saxons are a relatively recent arrivals. Many Briton's genes go back much further. There is a genetic map somewhere.

 

blackpalacefan Flag 28 Nov 16 9.37pm

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this place sometimes.

 

Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 28 Nov 16 9.42pm

A couple of days old now, but worth posting.

 

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