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Lucas Oliver Flag Miles away 12 Mar 16 10.00am

23 June is a designated rest day at the euros. If we're through to the next round,l'm in, if we're out then I'm out.

And any less than a top 6 finish at Eurovision and they can all feck off.

 


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Hoof Hearted 12 Mar 16 10.11am

Originally posted by Lucas Oliver

23 June is a designated rest day at the euros. If we're through to the next round,l'm in, if we're out then I'm out.

And any less than a top 6 finish at Eurovision and they can all feck off.

Ignoring the humour Lucas... don't you think the Eurovision Song Contest is kind of a barometer for how popular the UK is with the rest of Europe?

Generally we are despised by our so called European compatriots who can each hardly muster a vote for us and we only make the final every year because we are given a bye as one of the founding nations of the competition.

I'm an OUT for the Eurovision, as well as the EU.

 

Lucas Oliver Flag Miles away 12 Mar 16 11.22am

Think they've changed the voting system this year so the people have more of a say, this will be even more depressing when millions show their contempt. It's a pile of s*** competition that means nothing but it is a barometer of how much countries like each other.

Would love England to win the Euro champs (yes I know we're not as good as the top nations but stranger things have happened), whilst voting to leave Europe mid tournament.

 


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Helmet46 Flag Croydon 13 Mar 16 9.05am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Ignoring the humour Lucas... don't you think the Eurovision Song Contest is kind of a barometer for how popular the UK is with the rest of Europe?

Generally we are despised by our so called European compatriots who can each hardly muster a vote for us and we only make the final every year because we are given a bye as one of the founding nations of the competition.

I'm an OUT for the Eurovision, as well as the EU.


I agree with this. I think that there is the odd country that thinks we're OK but on balance they despise us. I'm a definite out for the EU and a maybe for Eurovision - but only because it's a useful reminder of how territorial the whole place really is.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Mar 16 11.28am

Originally posted by exitstageright

The EU did really well in stopping the Balkan Wars didn't it?

Not as well as the Soviet Union did...

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Mar 16 11.28am

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The EU did really well in stopping the Chinese dump all their cheap steel on the market and causing our steel industry to collapse in the process.

They did NOTHING.

Lucky the British government had done so much to protect UK industry such as the Steel and Coal business.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 13 Mar 16 11.34am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Lucky the British government had done so much to protect UK industry such as the Steel and Coal business.

The flip side is that power generation has benefited from cheaper feed stock and fabricators benefited from cheaper steel.

 

Hoof Hearted 13 Mar 16 11.40am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Lucky the British government had done so much to protect UK industry such as the Steel and Coal business.

It thought the EU had it's back Jamie, but that turned out to be a fallacy.... the EU just wants the UK's massive positive contribution to the coffers and then redistribute it to French Farmers.

 

exitstageright Flag London 13 Mar 16 12.52pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not as well as the Soviet Union did...

However, no one is saying the Soviet Union has been responsible for peace in Europe since World War II, whereas the 'in' supporters claim that the EU has.
For someone who says he is voting 'out', you seem to spring to the defence of the moribund EU at every opportunity.

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Mar 16 6.51pm

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

It thought the EU had it's back Jamie, but that turned out to be a fallacy.... the EU just wants the UK's massive positive contribution to the coffers and then redistribute it to French Farmers.

The EU wants what is best for corporate entities, not the people who work in industries or countries, but the businesses that dominate them.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Mar 16 6.53pm

Originally posted by exitstageright

However, no one is saying the Soviet Union has been responsible for peace in Europe since World War II, whereas the 'in' supporters claim that the EU has.
For someone who says he is voting 'out', you seem to spring to the defence of the moribund EU at every opportunity.

It was more of a flippant joke, about how the Soviet managed to keep the Balkans peaceful for 50 odd years, and within a few years of independence, they're dominated by right wing nationalist f**ktards engaging in genocide as policy.

I think there is more to an issue, than just simply deciding yes or no. My reasons for leaving the EU, are probably very different than many others - who seem to think leaving the EU will make 'Britain Great or give the people of Britain greater say or somehow magically transform society into a different nation.

It won't, but it will weaken the capacity of corporate interests to dominate UK politics and provide a position from which the working classes and trade unions could essentially improve their position in terms of wage leverage.


Edited by jamiemartin721 (13 Mar 2016 6.57pm)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 13 Mar 16 6.54pm

Originally posted by chris123

The flip side is that power generation has benefited from cheaper feed stock and fabricators benefited from cheaper steel.

Which has benefitted the EU and corporate interests. Less so however the people who live in areas dependent on the Steel and Coal production - many of which are unemployment black spots.

I'm against the EU, because it further undermines the position of the working classes.

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 13 Mar 16 7.07pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Which has benefitted the EU and corporate interests. Less so however the people who live in areas dependent on the Steel and Coal production - many of which are unemployment black spots.

I'm against the EU, because it further undermines the position of the working classes.

So would you subsidise UK coal and steel production?

 

Hoof Hearted 14 Mar 16 9.55am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The EU wants closing down.

EFA

 

jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 14 Mar 16 10.53am

Originally posted by chris123

So would you subsidise UK coal and steel production?

If necessary, yes or engage in programs aimed at relocating people from those areas into areas of high employment whilst slowly closing down the industry. Mass unemployment for the purpose of profit, undermines the national interests of citizens and the responsibility of state to its citizens.

Its hard for a lot of people in the South East, to realise just how brutal the 80s were to industrial towns and cities.

 


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Rubin Flag 23 Mar 16 4.05pm

Interesting thoughts of a former head of MI6, going against the claims that we're safer in Europe:

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Mar 16 9.49am

Originally posted by Rubin

Interesting thoughts of a former head of MI6, going against the claims that we're safer in Europe:

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Not for MI-6 it wouldn't their a foreign intelligence agency, operating outside of British Territory. I don't think agencies will suddenly just go 'f**k those guys and their information' either, they'll be sharing because its in everyone's interest. The risk, I think, is that it could result in MI-5 being more an outsider in terms of influence and in terms of status - As I think its likely that following France and Brussels, European states will use the European Union to forge closers ties between intelligence agencies and likely set up an 'EU desk'.

In reality, not much will change from a Brit Exit, especially short term, maybe long term the necessity will be an emphisis on greater negotiation between the UK and EU.

In truth, the argument, I think comes down to one that there are risks of exit, that really exist because its a change to the current status quo, I don't think anyone can be really sure without knowing what a BritExit would mean - I don't foresee much change if we exit, as I'd imagine the UK government will engineer us into the ETA like Norway.

 


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Hoof Hearted 25 Mar 16 10.28am

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Not for MI-6 it wouldn't their a foreign intelligence agency, operating outside of British Territory. I don't think agencies will suddenly just go 'f**k those guys and their information' either, they'll be sharing because its in everyone's interest. The risk, I think, is that it could result in MI-5 being more an outsider in terms of influence and in terms of status - As I think its likely that following France and Brussels, European states will use the European Union to forge closers ties between intelligence agencies and likely set up an 'EU desk'.

In reality, not much will change from a Brit Exit, especially short term, maybe long term the necessity will be an emphisis on greater negotiation between the UK and EU.

In truth, the argument, I think comes down to one that there are risks of exit, that really exist because its a change to the current status quo, I don't think anyone can be really sure without knowing what a BritExit would mean - I don't foresee much change if we exit, as I'd imagine the UK government will engineer us into the ETA like Norway.

Interesting observations you make jamie, but I'll go with the former head of MI6's take on matters and ignore yours.

No offence mate, but he's likely to know precisely what he's talking about from his experience doing the actual job.

I expect you'll probably have the edge on him in a general debate with your outstanding knowledge of Dyson Vacuum cleaners suction, Haribo sugar content, Wasp sting efficiency etc etc that you bewilder and confound others with on here.

 

matt_himself Flag Matataland 26 Mar 16 10.29am

250 business leaders support Brexit:

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Hoof Hearted 26 Mar 16 10.37am

Originally posted by matt_himself

250 business leaders support Brexit:

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Add Peter Hargreaves to that list...

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As one of the country's most successful IFA's (started from nothing with his partner Steve Lansdown) in the early 80's and has built up Hargreaves Lansdown to be a multi Billion pound business.

I trust his judgement on economic matters more than most and if he's not worried, none of us should be.

He still invests in the stock market, so it would hit him hard if there was financial meltdown post Brexit.

 

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