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Once Parliament is back to normal we will have plenty of thermal currents.
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Originally posted by Badger11
UK exports to the EU drop by 40% in January. Obviously a concern but there are mitigating factors: 1. Prior to leaving the EU for good companies stocked up in the months before hand in case there were problems in January. This meant they did not need to order as much from the UK and vice versa. 2. We went into lock down in January 3. The French imposed strict rules on lorry drivers. 4. And yes there were red tape teething problems. Anyway we will have to see if the exports bounce back in the next few months before we can know for certain if this is a blip or a trend. Edited by Badger11 (12 Mar 2021 10.26am) Yeah lots of caveats. Need to give it 6 months However, I've still not heard anything about rectifying the export issues I keep banging on about for e-commerce and retail Needs sorting ASAP
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Originally posted by Badger11
UK exports to the EU drop by 40% in January. Obviously a concern but there are mitigating factors: 1. Prior to leaving the EU for good companies stocked up in the months before hand in case there were problems in January. This meant they did not need to order as much from the UK and vice versa. 2. We went into lock down in January 3. The French imposed strict rules on lorry drivers. 4. And yes there were red tape teething problems. Anyway we will have to see if the exports bounce back in the next few months before we can know for certain if this is a blip or a trend. Edited by Badger11 (12 Mar 2021 10.26am) Yes, it's too early to judge. We haven't really helped ourselves though. We're not even checking food imports until next year [Link] so its our exports getting checked, while EU goods get waved through though, putting our businesses at a massive disadvantage. Political incompetence rather than something that had to happen.
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Yes, it's too early to judge. We haven't really helped ourselves though. We're not even checking food imports until next year [Link] so its our exports getting checked, while EU goods get waved through though, putting our businesses at a massive disadvantage. Political incompetence rather than something that had to happen. I think we need to make it clear to the EU that unless they start behaving reasonably we shall do to them what they are doing to us. It is a road that benefits no one but as you say if they intend to put obstacles in our way so be it.
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Originally posted by Badger11
I think we need to make it clear to the EU that unless they start behaving reasonably we shall do to them what they are doing to us. It is a road that benefits no one but as you say if they intend to put obstacles in our way so be it. Hence why I agree with Matov that our starting point in negotiations should have been no deal.
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Originally posted by DanH
Extremely worrying trade figures from the Food & Drink Federation on exports. Hard to split out the Brexit affect from the Covid affect but if this persists this is going to be businesses going bust and job losses all over the place. Not surprising that exports are down with Covid restrictions in place and were not as badly affected as some.
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
You cannot compare a standard non covid month nearly a year before Brexit with a covid month immediately after Brexit and get like for like results. Agreed there’s more than one factor to the decline but the fact it’s food and drink is worrying. People still need to eat and drink during a pandemic so Covid wouldn’t account for a drop in demand of that size.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think we are confused. Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules. Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether. The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason. Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution. You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they? It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why? Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity. For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme. Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being. But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies. Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot.
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Originally posted by Matov
Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity. For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme. Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being. But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies. Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot. I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected.
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected. Can we have a precis please. Good anyway. My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality. And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up. EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle. Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell. We are talking 2.9% GDP? You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that. 'brexit means brexit' -.-'
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Can we have a precis please. Good anyway. My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality. And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up. EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle. Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell. We are talking 2.9% GDP? You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that. 'brexit means brexit' -.-' 3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons?
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Originally posted by cryrst
3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons? Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it .
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Originally posted by steeleye20
I think we are confused. Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules. Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether. The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason. Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution. You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they? It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?
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Originally posted by croydon proud
Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it . Sorry peoples, i ment the member for Medway said give it 6 months and see, not Steeleye!
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