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Matov Flag 11 Mar 21 4.03pm

Are we windier than the EU? Genuine question? I would assume that since we are never that far, relatively speaking, from the sea then we are probably windier than most?

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Mar 21 4.20pm

Once Parliament is back to normal we will have plenty of thermal currents.

 


One more point

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Mar 21 10.26am

UK exports to the EU drop by 40% in January.

[Link]

Obviously a concern but there are mitigating factors:

1. Prior to leaving the EU for good companies stocked up in the months before hand in case there were problems in January. This meant they did not need to order as much from the UK and vice versa.

2. We went into lock down in January

3. The French imposed strict rules on lorry drivers.

4. And yes there were red tape teething problems.

Anyway we will have to see if the exports bounce back in the next few months before we can know for certain if this is a blip or a trend.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Mar 2021 10.26am)

 


One more point

Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 12 Mar 21 10.53am

Originally posted by Badger11

UK exports to the EU drop by 40% in January.

[Link]

Obviously a concern but there are mitigating factors:

1. Prior to leaving the EU for good companies stocked up in the months before hand in case there were problems in January. This meant they did not need to order as much from the UK and vice versa.

2. We went into lock down in January

3. The French imposed strict rules on lorry drivers.

4. And yes there were red tape teething problems.

Anyway we will have to see if the exports bounce back in the next few months before we can know for certain if this is a blip or a trend.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Mar 2021 10.26am)

Yeah lots of caveats. Need to give it 6 months

However, I've still not heard anything about rectifying the export issues I keep banging on about for e-commerce and retail

Needs sorting ASAP

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 12 Mar 21 12.59pm

Buying UK stuff is such a big hassle, unless its entirely necessary you just don't bother, it is complicated, expensive and delivery is uncertain.

And this, entirely foreseeable, is what is happening.

Exporting to the UK from the EU is ok now though as the transition has returned until next January.

For exports to the UK, it is minus brexit for EU exports, so the EU can resume without the problems that UK exporters have, albeit without great enthusiasm, the UK wants to eat after-all.

One can only feel derision for the UKs total lack of preparedness, lack of attention to detail, rushed negotiating stance playing into the EUs hands.

But the most striking thing about the UK is its baseless optimism on this and so many other matters.

If you can't focus on reality, then you can't fix it.


 

BlueJay Flag UK 12 Mar 21 8.03pm

Originally posted by Badger11

UK exports to the EU drop by 40% in January.

[Link]

Obviously a concern but there are mitigating factors:

1. Prior to leaving the EU for good companies stocked up in the months before hand in case there were problems in January. This meant they did not need to order as much from the UK and vice versa.

2. We went into lock down in January

3. The French imposed strict rules on lorry drivers.

4. And yes there were red tape teething problems.

Anyway we will have to see if the exports bounce back in the next few months before we can know for certain if this is a blip or a trend.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Mar 2021 10.26am)

Yes, it's too early to judge. We haven't really helped ourselves though. We're not even checking food imports until next year [Link] so its our exports getting checked, while EU goods get waved through though, putting our businesses at a massive disadvantage. Political incompetence rather than something that had to happen.

 

Badger11 Flag Beckenham 13 Mar 21 10.12am

Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, it's too early to judge. We haven't really helped ourselves though. We're not even checking food imports until next year [Link] so its our exports getting checked, while EU goods get waved through though, putting our businesses at a massive disadvantage. Political incompetence rather than something that had to happen.

I think we need to make it clear to the EU that unless they start behaving reasonably we shall do to them what they are doing to us. It is a road that benefits no one but as you say if they intend to put obstacles in our way so be it.

 


One more point

Eaglecoops Flag CR3 13 Mar 21 11.34am

Originally posted by Badger11

I think we need to make it clear to the EU that unless they start behaving reasonably we shall do to them what they are doing to us. It is a road that benefits no one but as you say if they intend to put obstacles in our way so be it.

Hence why I agree with Matov that our starting point in negotiations should have been no deal.

 

DanH Flag SW2 26 Mar 21 1.14pm

Extremely worrying trade figures from the Food & Drink Federation on exports.

Hard to split out the Brexit affect from the Covid affect but if this persists this is going to be businesses going bust and job losses all over the place.

[Link]

 

Teddy Eagle Flag 26 Mar 21 1.56pm

Originally posted by DanH

Extremely worrying trade figures from the Food & Drink Federation on exports.

Hard to split out the Brexit affect from the Covid affect but if this persists this is going to be businesses going bust and job losses all over the place.

[Link]

Not surprising that exports are down with Covid restrictions in place and were not as badly affected as some.

[Link]

 

The Dolphin Flag 26 Mar 21 1.56pm

You cannot compare a standard non covid month nearly a year before Brexit with a covid month immediately after Brexit and get like for like results.
I don't read anything into the figures at all except that I am amazed that we still exported so much given the conditions we were working under.

 

DanH Flag SW2 26 Mar 21 2.59pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

You cannot compare a standard non covid month nearly a year before Brexit with a covid month immediately after Brexit and get like for like results.
I don't read anything into the figures at all except that I am amazed that we still exported so much given the conditions we were working under.

Agreed there’s more than one factor to the decline but the fact it’s food and drink is worrying. People still need to eat and drink during a pandemic so Covid wouldn’t account for a drop in demand of that size.

 

steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 21 3.42pm

I think we are confused.

Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules.

Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether.

The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason.

Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution.

You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they?

It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?


 

Matov Flag 26 Mar 21 5.31pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think we are confused.

Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules.

Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether.

The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason.

Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution.

You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they?

It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?


Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity.

For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme.

Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being.

But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies.

Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 26 Mar 21 6.26pm

Originally posted by Matov

Whilst I disagree with your wider sentiment, the actual basics of this have some validity.

For specific reasons, the UK is not matching the kind of import controls that the EU is placing on our exports. The EU are being officious w***ers but that is what they are. My entire rationale around the notion of 'No Deal' was based on the fact that the EU would never show the kind of good-will flexibility to make a trade deal work. They are simply incapable of it and essentially have to be treated as a wounded animal. Dangerous in the extreme.

Essentially we are in a grin and bear it phase. Easier for the UK over-all to just let EU goods flow in for the time being.

But one day, and it will be soon, then the game changes. And then we turn off the taps for a whole range of EU agricultural goods whilst we have ships coming in from all over the world stacked to the rafters with all kinds of goodies.

Patience is the key here. All I see is a European Union in dire trouble. Yes, its not great for us but we are free of its clutches and can react faster and more decisively. This is as bad as it gets for us and we are surviving. Soon the boot will be on the other foot.

I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected.
Ireland was held back for around 50 years by imposing tarrifs on British imports, Britain did likewise to Ireland and Ireland's main market was reduced. Domestic consumption could not replace the shortfalls. Goods were often smuggled from the North - which had outcomes which haven't been fully explored, in my opinion. Actually could have been a major factor in terrorism.
I see Britain in a similar situation. I actually suspect a lot of this is electioneering hardball, exacerbated by Covid 19, not least the poor vaccine rollout in the EU, which is not reported as such in our news at all. I suspect RT and Al Jazeera report on it but can't watch them. I expect a quiet deal will be done once there is less domestic turmoil. They've been rioting in Holland, for instance. Not exactly a hotbed of civil disobedience.
Macron, in particular, needs to mouth off for the old guard French nationalists to support him and not vote for Le Front Nationale. Merkel's coalition is becoming more and more unworkable, there are socialists, Greens and Conservatives, that have no common reason to support each other, other than to keep mammy in. The list of failed and undermined governments in the EU is frankly endless. The Irish government is at best nepotistic, always incompetent and proven to be corrupt, pretty much in the open. As for the UK government, well, you see that for yourself. Italians, I'll stop there. The failure of politics in the EU is palpable, sound bytes are the way to go. Johnson saw that - he's not as silly as some think.
But, mouth off and posture they will, but a deal will be reached or the bottom line will suffer the longer this goes on. God forbid EUMPs could even face wage freezes, action will happen then. They're enjoying their vaccines as we speak. Yet, oddly no reporting on that here. I wonder why?
A ridiculously long post with many errors. I must apologise. Patience will probably work but do expect there to be some posturing and brinkmanship and climb downs from all sides in between. It's jockeying for negotiating space currently. The usual fun and games whilst the average person pays for it.

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Mar 21 7.27pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I've never really seen tarrifs on imported goods have much of a positive impact on anything. Often the intentions seem fair but the end results were not as expected.
Ireland was held back for around 50 years by imposing tarrifs on British imports, Britain did likewise to Ireland and Ireland's main market was reduced. Domestic consumption could not replace the shortfalls. Goods were often smuggled from the North - which had outcomes which haven't been fully explored, in my opinion. Actually could have been a major factor in terrorism.
I see Britain in a similar situation. I actually suspect a lot of this is electioneering hardball, exacerbated by Covid 19, not least the poor vaccine rollout in the EU, which is not reported as such in our news at all. I suspect RT and Al Jazeera report on it but can't watch them. I expect a quiet deal will be done once there is less domestic turmoil. They've been rioting in Holland, for instance. Not exactly a hotbed of civil disobedience.
Macron, in particular, needs to mouth off for the old guard French nationalists to support him and not vote for Le Front Nationale. Merkel's coalition is becoming more and more unworkable, there are socialists, Greens and Conservatives, that have no common reason to support each other, other than to keep mammy in. The list of failed and undermined governments in the EU is frankly endless. The Irish government is at best nepotistic, always incompetent and proven to be corrupt, pretty much in the open. As for the UK government, well, you see that for yourself. Italians, I'll stop there. The failure of politics in the EU is palpable, sound bytes are the way to go. Johnson saw that - he's not as silly as some think.
But, mouth off and posture they will, but a deal will be reached or the bottom line will suffer the longer this goes on. God forbid EUMPs could even face wage freezes, action will happen then. They're enjoying their vaccines as we speak. Yet, oddly no reporting on that here. I wonder why?
A ridiculously long post with many errors. I must apologise. Patience will probably work but do expect there to be some posturing and brinkmanship and climb downs from all sides in between. It's jockeying for negotiating space currently. The usual fun and games whilst the average person pays for it.

Can we have a precis please.

Good anyway.

My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality.

And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up.

EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle.

Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell.

We are talking 2.9% GDP?

You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that.

'brexit means brexit'

-.-'

 

cryrst Flag The garden of England 26 Mar 21 7.38pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Can we have a precis please.

Good anyway.

My basic point is that to export to the EU the UK has to be competitive in delivery, price and quality.

And it has to be easy, the most important thing, but how can that be now, many exporters have simply given up.

EU people will simply buy elsewhere within the market without all the extra hassle.

Treaties, rules do not decide, it is consumers, businesses, not politicians who buy and sell.

We are talking 2.9% GDP?

You would have to lay all our trade arrangements end to end to achieve a fraction of that.

'brexit means brexit'

-.-'

3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons?
After that if we are where we are you will have allies to your comments. Goalposts and all that st20

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 7.57pm

Originally posted by cryrst

3 months in ; did you not say in an earlier post that it needs 6-9 months to make comparisons?
After that if we are where we are you will have allies to your comments. Goalposts and all that st20

Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it .

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.02pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

I think we are confused.

Importing to the UK from the EU is largely unaffected due to the UK government extending grace periods and not enforcing brexit rules.

Exporting to the EU is a completely different matter, brexit is full on and the UK is experiencing the potential loss of its main market altogether.

The UK could have extended the transition in view of covid but it was blind to reason.

Really brexiteers arguments are pathetic, a problem for every solution.

You have to have a reason for EU customers now buying from you, why would they?

It is difficult complicated expensive, before it was easy, so why?



Ireland alone spent 1 billion euros, £850 million, less this year in January than same month last year, 75% of that loss was foodstuff, its a lot of lolly to lose! Wheres Jacob when we need him?

 

croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 26 Mar 21 8.04pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Think it was 6 months mate, 3 to go before we call you on it .

Sorry peoples, i ment the member for Medway said give it 6 months and see, not Steeleye!

 

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