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 silvertop  Portishead 26 Jan 22 4.31pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Usually highly unionised and Labour in my experience, where my sister and brother-in-law were heads of two different unions. My aunt was Chief Secretary of the Home Office. She is complete Labour and always has been. Just my own experience, I stand to be corrected. Hmm my view too. Private education does not equate to Tory. Those who have been through posh education who then go into public service are probably more likely to vote labour/green/libs than tory. Classic champagne socialists. And the opinion is also a little wrong statistically. There is concern that 6.7% of kids but over 20% of fast tracked applicants come from fee paying backgrounds. Elitist and out of all proportion, true. But it also means that 80% of such applicants come from the state system. And the near 60% who occupy the top 150 spots, that % will descend with time.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Jan 22 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Hmm my view too. Private education does not equate to Tory. Those who have been through posh education who then go into public service are probably more likely to vote labour/green/libs than tory. Classic champagne socialists. And the opinion is also a little wrong statistically. There is concern that 6.7% of kids but over 20% of fast tracked applicants come from fee paying backgrounds. Elitist and out of all proportion, true. But it also means that 80% of such applicants come from the state system. And the near 60% who occupy the top 150 spots, that % will descend with time. Tory, Labour, Liberal or Monster Loony the class system was ever thus. Meet the new boss, he's the same as the old boss....except they may have their pronouns in their bio nowadays.....whatever the feck that means.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 26 Jan 22 7.33pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What policies does Starmer advocate for that Corbyn didn't? What policies does Starmer advocate for? He has his hands full just trying to criticise the mess that is Boris Johnson to think about doing any advocation.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 27 Jan 22 12.17am |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The civil service is tory. It's difficult to understand what they do apart from rescue the government with cocktails of lies and deceptions, and absurd economic stats. They are clearly not independent, 11 years of tory service has left its mark. Over 50% of the civil service are public school, more than at the end of WW2, they start by being ferried in from universities and have no experience of life. It cannot be independent can it. There are over 470,000 civil servants, so you are saying that at least 235,000 went to a public school. Do you have any data for that? If it's a opinion then fine but you are stating it as a fact. Possibly you don't understand what a civil servant is.
Edited by HKOwen (27 Jan 2022 12.20am)
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cryrst  The garden of England 27 Jan 22 5.51am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What policies does Starmer advocate for? He has his hands full just trying to criticise the mess that is Boris Johnson to think about doing any advocation. You didn't just write that surely ! Edited by cryrst (27 Jan 2022 5.52am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jan 22 8.28am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What policies does Starmer advocate for? He has his hands full just trying to criticise the mess that is Boris Johnson to think about doing any advocation. However bad the government has been on COVID Labour's response has been worse. After the usual the government should resign, Boris / health secretary is useless etc. the labour spokesperson normally declines to explain what Labour would do instead. On the rare occasions when journalists can pin them down they normally admit they would do the same as the government only better. If Labour had been in power it is likely they they would have been even more draconian and followed Australia and new Zealand. Opposition is not just criticising the government of the day we can all do that but at some point you have to present alternate policies. Edited by Badger11 (27 Jan 2022 8.29am)
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| Stirlingsays 27 Jan 22 8.42am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What policies does Starmer advocate for? He has his hands full just trying to criticise the mess that is Boris Johnson to think about doing any advocation.
Calls Starmer a centrist yet can't identify policies that differ from Corbyn. Rather exposures your argument.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jan 22 9.13am |
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According to the media the publishing of the partygate report is being held up by..... The Civil Service unions. Maybe Labour should have a word with their union pals.
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| cryrst The garden of England 27 Jan 22 9.18am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
According to the media the publishing of the partygate report is being held up by..... The Civil Service unions. Maybe Labour should have a word with their union pals. Maybe there were 'other' parties which may put this into the
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 27 Jan 22 9.20am |
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The report will be issued as war breaks out in Ukraine, thus providing an appropriate distraction. This isn't really about party politics. It's about Governance and legality and ultimately,....doing the right thing.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 27 Jan 22 9.24am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Maybe there were 'other' parties which may put this into the I am teasing a bit I have no doubt that Boris doesn't want it published but it's just funny but I suspect that the Civil service unions would be happy if it just referred to the politicians and their advisors.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 27 Jan 22 9.35am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
You didn't just write that surely ! Edited by cryrst (27 Jan 2022 5.52am) I didn't say he doesn't have any. He probably does, but he has no opportunity to advocate for them (or if he does, they aren't getting reported) because there is so much focus on the mess the Tories are in.
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