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steeleye20 Croydon 30 Nov 16 10.27am
If you incite hate crime isn't that a criminal matter?

steeleye20

Croydon 30 Nov 16 10.27am

If you incite hate crime isn't that a criminal matter?

Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 16 11.25am
Originally posted by nickgusset The killing follows a spate of hate crimes since the UK referendum to leave the European Union, including several arson attacks, excrement shoved through letter boxes, physical assaults, and most commonly, verbal abuse. One arson attack on a Polish family’s shed was accompanied by a note reading: “next be your family.” Police hate crime figures for 2016 suggest a rise in incidents following the Brexit result. While this may partly reflect better reporting or recording of these incidents, could it also be related to Brexit? The United Nations certainly thinks so. In a critical report on the UK published last week, the UN Committee on Eliminating Racial Discrimination said that the Brexit referendum campaign was marked by “divisive, anti-immigrant and xenophobic rhetoric”, and that some politicians had “created and entrenched prejudices, thereby emboldening individuals to carry out acts of intimidation and hate.” The Council of Europe Human Rights Commissioner has expressed similar concerns. [Link] Just one of many many reports into the rise of hate crime. Edited by nickgusset (29 Nov 2016 9.48pm) Of course people have to take it seriously. It's their job. People like you will try and blow it up out of all proportion of course because that's what you do isn't it. Of course if anyone starts talking about the risk of terrorism or increased organised crime or gang related feuds caused by immigration they will be branded as racists or exaggerators. It works both ways. Stop scaremongering.

Hrolf The Ganger

30 Nov 16 11.25am

Originally posted by nickgusset

The killing follows a spate of hate crimes since the UK referendum to leave the European Union, including several arson attacks, excrement shoved through letter boxes, physical assaults, and most commonly, verbal abuse. One arson attack on a Polish family’s shed was accompanied by a note reading: “next be your family.”

Police hate crime figures for 2016 suggest a rise in incidents following the Brexit result. While this may partly reflect better reporting or recording of these incidents, could it also be related to Brexit?

The United Nations certainly thinks so. In a critical report on the UK published last week, the UN Committee on Eliminating Racial Discrimination said that the Brexit referendum campaign was marked by “divisive, anti-immigrant and xenophobic rhetoric”, and that some politicians had “created and entrenched prejudices, thereby emboldening individuals to carry out acts of intimidation and hate.” The Council of Europe Human Rights Commissioner has expressed similar concerns.

[Link]

Just one of many many reports into the rise of hate crime.

Edited by nickgusset (29 Nov 2016 9.48pm)

Of course people have to take it seriously. It's their job. People like you will try and blow it up out of all proportion of course because that's what you do isn't it.
Of course if anyone starts talking about the risk of terrorism or increased organised crime or gang related feuds caused by immigration they will be branded as racists or exaggerators.

It works both ways. Stop scaremongering.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 11.49am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Of course people have to take it seriously. It's their job. People like you will try and blow it up out of all proportion of course because that's what you do isn't it. Of course if anyone starts talking about the risk of terrorism or increased organised crime or gang related feuds caused by immigration they will be branded as racists or exaggerators. It works both ways. Stop scaremongering. How is saying there is a rise in hate crime 'blowing it all out of proportion'? People like me, you mean handsome, a great raconteur, witty, caring and worried about how people are being shafted.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 11.49am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It works both ways. Stop scaremongering.

How is saying there is a rise in hate crime 'blowing it all out of proportion'?

People like me, you mean handsome, a great raconteur, witty, caring and worried about how people are being shafted.

Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 16 12.04pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How is saying there is a rise in hate crime 'blowing it all out of proportion'? People like me, you mean handsome, a great raconteur, witty, caring and worried about how people are being shafted. My tendency toward politeness forbids me from responding. You seem to delight in peddling sound bite sensationalism.

Hrolf The Ganger

30 Nov 16 12.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How is saying there is a rise in hate crime 'blowing it all out of proportion'?

People like me, you mean handsome, a great raconteur, witty, caring and worried about how people are being shafted.

My tendency toward politeness forbids me from responding.

You seem to delight in peddling sound bite sensationalism.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 12.08pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger My tendency toward politeness forbids me from responding. You seem to delight in peddling sound bite sensationalism. How is providing a report with details of how hate crime has increased a sound bite.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 12.08pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

My tendency toward politeness forbids me from responding.

You seem to delight in peddling sound bite sensationalism.

How is providing a report with details of how hate crime has increased a sound bite.

jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 16 12.23pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'd hate to see your idea of far left. Someone sitting on top of a T14 wearing a ushanka with a hammer and sickle bolted to their forehead. Probably similar to mine - Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party of Great Britain, Workers Libertine etc. Corbyn is actually left wing, but more in the tradition of Michael Foot, Tony Benn. Actually Far Left for me probably is more Baader-Meinhoff / Rote Army Faktion, Angry Brigade, Class War etc. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Nov 16 12.23pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'd hate to see your idea of far left.

Someone sitting on top of a T14 wearing a ushanka with a hammer and sickle bolted to their forehead.

Probably similar to mine - Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party of Great Britain, Workers Libertine etc.

Corbyn is actually left wing, but more in the tradition of Michael Foot, Tony Benn.

Actually Far Left for me probably is more Baader-Meinhoff / Rote Army Faktion, Angry Brigade, Class War etc.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Nov 16 12.24pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How is providing a report with details of how hate crime has increased a sound bite. "Hate crime". What a pile of shte. Somebody called me a nasty name. Boo fcking hoo. No wonder the OB are so overstretched with drivel like this. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 30 Nov 16 12.24pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How is providing a report with details of how hate crime has increased a sound bite.

"Hate crime". What a pile of sh*te. Somebody called me a nasty name. Boo f*cking hoo.

No wonder the OB are so overstretched with drivel like this.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 12.49pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt "Hate crime". What a pile of shte. Somebody called me a nasty name. Boo fcking hoo. No wonder the OB are so overstretched with drivel like this. You well know that it goes beyond 'name calling'

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 12.49pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

"Hate crime". What a pile of sh*te. Somebody called me a nasty name. Boo f*cking hoo.

No wonder the OB are so overstretched with drivel like this.

You well know that it goes beyond 'name calling'

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Nov 16 12.56pm
Originally posted by nickgusset You well know that it goes beyond 'name calling' Really. People prosecuted for sending a tweet. Do me a favour. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 30 Nov 16 12.56pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

You well know that it goes beyond 'name calling'

Really. People prosecuted for sending a tweet. Do me a favour.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 12.58pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Really. People prosecuted for sending a tweet. Do me a favour. Depends what the tweet said

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 12.58pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Really. People prosecuted for sending a tweet. Do me a favour.

Depends what the tweet said

chris123 hove actually 30 Nov 16 12.59pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How is providing a report with details of how hate crime has increased a sound bite. There is a report from HM Gov. that makes the point that part of the increase may be due to enhanced reporting of crime. Plus the balance must be on outcomes, ie are the perpetrators being prosecuted?

chris123

hove actually 30 Nov 16 12.59pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How is providing a report with details of how hate crime has increased a sound bite.

There is a report from HM Gov. that makes the point that part of the increase may be due to enhanced reporting of crime. Plus the balance must be on outcomes, ie are the perpetrators being prosecuted?

Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 16 1.02pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Probably similar to mine - Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party of Great Britain, Workers Libertine etc. Corbyn is actually left wing, but more in the tradition of Michael Foot, Tony Benn. Actually Far Left for me probably is more Baader-Meinhoff / Rote Army Faktion, Angry Brigade, Class War etc. Let's not ruin this thread by being sensible. Seriously. I'd say that relative to the current mainstream political landscape, Corbyn is a long way to the left. Anyone further left would be in need of therapy for mental health issues in my view. We don't take ultra far lefts or rights seriously do we.

Hrolf The Ganger

30 Nov 16 1.02pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Probably similar to mine - Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party of Great Britain, Workers Libertine etc.

Corbyn is actually left wing, but more in the tradition of Michael Foot, Tony Benn.

Actually Far Left for me probably is more Baader-Meinhoff / Rote Army Faktion, Angry Brigade, Class War etc.

Let's not ruin this thread by being sensible.

Seriously. I'd say that relative to the current mainstream political landscape, Corbyn is a long way to the left.

Anyone further left would be in need of therapy for mental health issues in my view. We don't take ultra far lefts or rights seriously do we.

Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 30 Nov 16 1.02pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Depends what the tweet said It's a load of old bollocks. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 30 Nov 16 1.02pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Depends what the tweet said

It's a load of old bollocks.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 16 1.05pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Depends what the tweet said If every criminal message was prosecuted you would be doing life by now.

Hrolf The Ganger

30 Nov 16 1.05pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Depends what the tweet said

If every criminal message was prosecuted you would be doing life by now.

steeleye20 Croydon 30 Nov 16 1.10pm
Originally posted by nickgusset How is saying there is a rise in hate crime 'blowing it all out of proportion'? People like me, you mean handsome, a great raconteur, witty, caring and worried about how people are being shafted. N you forgot to remind us of your modesty

steeleye20

Croydon 30 Nov 16 1.10pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

How is saying there is a rise in hate crime 'blowing it all out of proportion'?

People like me, you mean handsome, a great raconteur, witty, caring and worried about how people are being shafted.

N you forgot to remind us of your modesty

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 1.16pm
Originally posted by chris123 There is a report from HM Gov. that makes the point that part of the increase may be due to enhanced reporting of crime. Plus the balance must be on outcomes, ie are the perpetrators being prosecuted? May not is.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 1.16pm

Originally posted by chris123

May not is.

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 1.18pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger If every criminal message was prosecuted you would be doing life by now. Personal dig after personal dig. Good work.

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 30 Nov 16 1.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If every criminal message was prosecuted you would be doing life by now.

Personal dig after personal dig. Good work.

chris123 hove actually 30 Nov 16 1.30pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Probably similar to mine - Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party of Great Britain, Workers Libertine etc. Corbyn is actually left wing, but more in the tradition of Michael Foot, Tony Benn. Actually Far Left for me probably is more Baader-Meinhoff / Rote Army Faktion, Angry Brigade, Class War etc. To me that would be quite left wing!

chris123

hove actually 30 Nov 16 1.30pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Probably similar to mine - Socialist Party / Socialist Workers Party, Communist Party of Great Britain, Workers Libertine etc.

Corbyn is actually left wing, but more in the tradition of Michael Foot, Tony Benn.

Actually Far Left for me probably is more Baader-Meinhoff / Rote Army Faktion, Angry Brigade, Class War etc.

To me that would be quite left wing!

steeleye20 Croydon 30 Nov 16 1.30pm
Another brexiting day and I am really focussed on Mrs.May's lack of sleep in fact if she slept in the day wouldn't the country be better off? Its boring old brexit for a while as the govt. insists on spending our money on a case where winning or losing is no benefit to us - if anything it will still show that she tried to bypass parliament actually the EU are far more careful of our sovereignity than the dictator and her bunch of stooges ever will be. After all these proceedings are over its likely there will be referrals to the EU as its EU law and I think there will be plenty of legal sieges dragging out for many years. Why not just not trigger Article 50 at all and business as you were. Mrs May might even look at the county's problems then so not a good outcome in that respect.

steeleye20

Croydon 30 Nov 16 1.30pm

Another brexiting day and I am really focussed on Mrs.May's lack of sleep in fact if she slept in the day wouldn't the country be better off?

Its boring old brexit for a while as the govt. insists on spending our money on a case where winning or losing is no benefit to us - if anything it will still show that she tried to bypass parliament actually the EU are far more careful of our sovereignity than the dictator and her bunch of stooges ever will be.

After all these proceedings are over its likely there will be referrals to the EU as its EU law and I think there will be plenty of legal sieges dragging out for many years.

Why not just not trigger Article 50 at all and business as you were.

Mrs May might even look at the county's problems then so not a good outcome in that respect.

jamiemartin721 Reading 30 Nov 16 1.41pm
Originally posted by chris123 There is a report from HM Gov. that makes the point that part of the increase may be due to enhanced reporting of crime. Plus the balance must be on outcomes, ie are the perpetrators being prosecuted? Balance can't be on outcomes of convictions, but reports, as otherwise you miss crimes for which perpetrators are not arrested, charged etc. If you measure crime statistics on prosecutions, you'll have a major problem when it comes to sex offence reporting (given the UK has just had record high prosecution rate of 22.5% of cases). 22.5% of around 70,000 or so reported sex offences (no figure for 2016 available yet) were prosecuted. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]

jamiemartin721

Reading 30 Nov 16 1.41pm

Originally posted by chris123

Balance can't be on outcomes of convictions, but reports, as otherwise you miss crimes for which perpetrators are not arrested, charged etc.

If you measure crime statistics on prosecutions, you'll have a major problem when it comes to sex offence reporting (given the UK has just had record high prosecution rate of 22.5% of cases).

22.5% of around 70,000 or so reported sex offences (no figure for 2016 available yet) were prosecuted.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
[Link]

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