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Originally posted by susmik
I agree and if people read the last paragraph: "The Home Office said there had been “no change to the rights and status of EU nationals in the UK as a result of the referendum”. Its guidance was that EU citizens did not need to apply for permanent residence. “As such there is no requirement to register for documentation to confirm their status,” a spokesperson said." Enough said. The statement is true...but its carefully worded..it reflects the position now when we are in the EU and nothing has changed...what it doesn't say (because it couldn't truthfully at this time) is that that will be the score the moment we Brexit...which explains the perfectly predictable and natural rush Enough said.
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Why are the left still playing this card? "“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.”
"The Lib Dems overturned an enormous Conservative majority to beat the former mayoral candidate in a by-election defined by Brexit" I thought you guys believed the voice of the people was legitimate and should be taken note of? Edited by legaleagle (02 Dec 2016 7.51am)
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Why are the left still playing this card? "“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.” Richmond is a hot-bed of Leftist activity. Moscow-on-Thames. The people have spoken.
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Some potential common sense, at last, from the Brexit camp. We will have to pay 'rent' to the EU to have access to single market should it go down that route but at least Brexiteer Davis is not being emotive, illogical and hard about it. You did not read into the complete article and understand what was being said. NOTHING is in concrete yet and will not be for a while yet.
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Originally posted by legaleagle
"The Lib Dems overturned an enormous Conservative majority to beat the former mayoral candidate in a by-election defined by Brexit" I thought you guys believed the voice of the people was legitimate and should be taken note of? Edited by legaleagle (02 Dec 2016 7.51am) I agree that the voice of people should be heard. However, this by election victory, just like the referendum vote, cannot be centred on one cause or reason, as much as certain people would like to do that. The causes of this result do include Brexit, Zac Goldsmith for the second time in recent history deploying a terrible strategy, Zac Goldsmith's general unpopularity, a very good campaign by the Lib Dems and the Heathrow expansion.
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Originally posted by npn
Interesting result in the by-election last night. I have a couple of remain friends who have joined the Lib Dems as they consider themselves to now be "single policy voters" and the Lib Dems are the only ones offering to reverse the brexit plan. If they can effectively mobilise the 48% to do similar, it could be a very interesting next general election. Interesting times indeed I agree with this, i too have a few tribal tory friends saying the same thing. They voted tory historically because of the perception of lower taxes and better with the economy. They say the latter has been blown out of the water and the tories have morphed into UKIP. It does mean however there will be no snap general election as TM must sense now she could lose
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
People want control over European immigration and anything less will be seen as a betrayal. It would also spell disaster for the left at the next election. Remain voters do not beat up innocent europeans in the streets out of control leave thugs do. As others have pointed for immigration paranoia people like you the figures for non-eu immigration are much higher and the govt. does not have to refer to the eu at all to reduce them. They are not going to of course.
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Remain voters do not beat up innocent europeans in the streets out of control leave thugs do. As others have pointed for immigration paranoia people like you the figures for non-eu immigration are much higher and the govt. does not have to refer to the eu at all to reduce them. They are not going to of course. ARE you for real ????? What a stupid statement as are most of yours!
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Why are the left still playing this card? "“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.” Some of the left, a significant portion of the left voted for Brexit, otherwise the referendum would have been very different. Brexit isn't a left vs right thing.
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Originally posted by susmik
ARE you for real ????? What a stupid statement as are most of yours!
The Police and Home Office have a new initiative over hate crime to deal with the rise, so I don't think its entirely untrue - Of course there are an't gangs of Leave voters roaming the street looking for migrants to beat up.... but
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
The Police and Home Office have a new initiative over hate crime to deal with the rise, so I don't think its entirely untrue - Of course there are an't gangs of Leave voters roaming the street looking for migrants to beat up.... but The hate crimes have come to light because of the EU vote and not because of the result. Most of these hate crimes are done by yobs with no allegiance to any political party or political reason. Here in Plymouth a couple of months back a Polish family had their wooden shed burnt down which the police thought was a hate crime when in fact it was four kids having a laugh with a box of matches and a can of lighter fuel.
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Originally posted by susmik
The hate crimes have come to light because of the EU vote and not because of the result. Most of these hate crimes are done by yobs with no allegiance to any political party or political reason. Here in Plymouth a couple of months back a Polish family had their wooden shed burnt down which the police thought was a hate crime when in fact it was four kids having a laugh with a box of matches and a can of lighter fuel. So you're saying the police and government had been ignoring hate crime or wrongly classifying hate crimes? Sounds worse to me than an actual spike.
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Why are the left still playing this card? "“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.” Well in this instance the "left" - which the recently-in-government-with-the-Tories Lib Dems can barely claim to be - are still playing the card because it won them the by election. They over-turned one of the largest Tory majorities in the country. In a seat where Tory MPs and Tory and UKIP activists were actively campaigning for and supporting Zac Goldsmith. They are playing the card because it worked. Edited by OknotOK (02 Dec 2016 11.44am)
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I agree that the voice of people should be heard. However, this by election victory, just like the referendum vote, cannot be centred on one cause or reason, as much as certain people would like to do that. The causes of this result do include Brexit, Zac Goldsmith for the second time in recent history deploying a terrible strategy, Zac Goldsmith's general unpopularity, a very good campaign by the Lib Dems and the Heathrow expansion. No it can't. It was almost exclusively a vote on the Brexit campaign. Acknowledged by the Goldsmith campaign and the government. As well as the Lib Dems who won it. How it can have been about Heathrow expansion when both candidates had the same stance on it I'm not sure. Goldsmith's tarnished reputation after his dog whistle campaign for mayor may have been a small factor, but he remained very popular in Richmond and well supported. He lost because the Lib Dems turned it into an effective mini-referendum on Brexit. And a very pro-Remain borough voted for a pro-Remain candidate.
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Originally posted by JohnyBoy
I agree with this, i too have a few tribal tory friends saying the same thing. They voted tory historically because of the perception of lower taxes and better with the economy. They say the latter has been blown out of the water and the tories have morphed into UKIP. It does mean however there will be no snap general election as TM must sense now she could lose The other reason there wont be a snap election is because the Government would have to repeal the fixed term Parliament Act through the Commons and the Lords. Or table a vote of no confidence in itself
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
Why are the left still playing this card? "“We do not want a hard Brexit. We do not want to be pulled out of the single market. We will not let intolerance, division, and fear win.” Because the Lib Dems report that a third of Tory voters who swiched voted to Leave but dont like the turn of events that was leading us towards the Nuclear version of Hard Brexit.
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Originally posted by OknotOK
No it can't. It was almost exclusively a vote on the Brexit campaign. Acknowledged by the Goldsmith campaign and the government. As well as the Lib Dems who won it. How it can have been about Heathrow expansion when both candidates had the same stance on it I'm not sure. Goldsmith's tarnished reputation after his dog whistle campaign for mayor may have been a small factor, but he remained very popular in Richmond and well supported. He lost because the Lib Dems turned it into an effective mini-referendum on Brexit. And a very pro-Remain borough voted for a pro-Remain candidate. I disagree with you but you are entitled to your view.
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