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jamiemartin721  Reading 26 Mar 16 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Interesting observations you make jamie, but I'll go with the former head of MI6's take on matters and ignore yours. No offence mate, but he's likely to know precisely what he's talking about from his experience doing the actual job. I expect you'll probably have the edge on him in a general debate with your outstanding knowledge of Dyson Vacuum cleaners suction, Haribo sugar content, Wasp sting efficiency etc etc that you bewilder and confound others with on here. I'm inclined to agree with him, I don't think membership of the EU or not, will make the blindest bit of difference to UK security. I was only saying it would affect MI-5 differently to MI-6, because the matter of counter-terrorism in British Territories is the responsibility of MI-5. I think the only real risk, is that an exit represents change, I don't think anyone has a very reasonable argument for as solid a case as they're making.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Mar 16 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Add Peter Hargreaves to that list... As one of the country's most successful IFA's (started from nothing with his partner Steve Lansdown) in the early 80's and has built up Hargreaves Lansdown to be a multi Billion pound business. I trust his judgement on economic matters more than most and if he's not worried, none of us should be. He still invests in the stock market, so it would hit him hard if there was financial meltdown post Brexit. Change the phrase would to could, and it makes more sense. An exit will only be a catalyst for change, if the intention of the elected political party in power chooses to utilise it as such. Personally, I think governments tend to bias referendum results to suit their own agenda. An exit will be trumpeted as a victory for democracy, and then we'll join the ETA, and effectively become a EU state under different legislation, than as a 'Definitive Member State' Unless its a landslide out, nothing will change, only the wording.
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 Stirlingsays 26 Mar 16 2.46pm |
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This is a voting event that I'm actually looking forward to.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Mar 16 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
This is a voting event that I'm actually looking forward to. Likewise, I love referendums, its almost democracy in action. I'd like to see more of this kind of decision making, and less party politics and government driven bulls*** masquerading as representation of the people.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Mar 16 4.08pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Likewise, I love referendums, its almost democracy in action. I'd like to see more of this kind of decision making, and less party politics and government driven bulls*** masquerading as representation of the people. Seconded.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| johnfirewall 30 Mar 16 10.56am |
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The 'In' security argument that we won't have intelligence on people who we don't have to let in makes no sense.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Mar 16 11.12am |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
The 'In' security argument that we won't have intelligence on people who we don't have to let in makes no sense. A lot of the "In" camp arguments don't make a lot of sense to me.I am firmly in the "Brexit" camp. In terms of the polls, whilst they show the "Ins" slightly ahead there are a lot of "Undecideds" and there is a while to go before the referendum.
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| johnfirewall 30 Mar 16 11.35pm |
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I reckon the facts busting the 'myths' can also be busted. They all seem very subjective and use carefully selected stats. Edited by johnfirewall (30 Mar 2016 11.36pm)
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corkery  Cork City 31 Mar 16 5.44pm |
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The arguments are the exact same as the Scottish referendum.
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| Hoof Hearted 01 Apr 16 10.06am | |
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Originally posted by corkery
The arguments are the exact same as the Scottish referendum. Was Scotland debating how to control rampant immigration as part of that referendum?
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| johnfirewall 01 Apr 16 11.31am |
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Has anyone even mentioned Turkey yet?
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03 Apr 16 5.42pm Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 04 Apr 16 1.59pm |
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Originally posted by Laboureagle
There is one fact which trumps all others in this debate. The Union was conceived by countries who had had two devastating wars in Europe in 30 years. their belief was by working together in one economic union, there would be no more wars between the big powers of Europe. There hasn't been any. I'll be at the ballot box first thing, to back the continual peace of Europe, and make sure my sons don't ever have to take part in war like my grandparents did. NKOTB or PBP....
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Apr 16 2.02pm |
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Originally posted by johnfirewall
The 'In' security argument that we won't have intelligence on people who we don't have to let in makes no sense. Which also makes no sense, as its unlikely that any of the terrorist activities of the recent decade was caused by people we could have 'kept out' legally. Its a mistake of the right to assume that an out will respond in a wave of anti-migration legislation. At no point can I forsee a situation where everyone coming to the UK will be expected to obtain a visa, even if they're coming from France, and undergo extensive background checks.
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| susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 07 Apr 16 11.09am |
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Originally posted by Hoof Hearted
Cameron playing dirty again in this referendum..... Spending £9M on leaflets highlighting what he says are "the key facts" about Brexit.... but none of them are pro Brexit... he has just stated the key issues in support of staying in the EU. Cameron has pulled a fast one doing this now because:- The designated Leave campaign, and its Remain opponent, will be able to spend up to £7m each on advertising and promotion once the official campaign period starts next week. This includes £600,000 of public grants set aside for free mailshots and TV broadcasts. So Cameron's remain team will have spent £16M on it's campaign as opposed to only £7M allowed for the leave campaign. Hardly fair is it!?! Have to agree with you on this one hoof and I am a life long tory....Slowly going off the guy I am afraid.
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