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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 23 4.13pm
Originally posted by the silurian not Santander, wrong again.....getting to be a habit,isnt it? As I didn't suggest you held a Santander account, merely that I think they were a bank able to find a workaround, I regret to tell you that it's you who is wrong. Again! For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 23 4.13pm

Originally posted by the silurian

not Santander, wrong again.....getting to be a habit,isnt it?

As I didn't suggest you held a Santander account, merely that I think they were a bank able to find a workaround, I regret to tell you that it's you who is wrong. Again!

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Badger11 Beckenham 31 Jul 23 4.22pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle That is not what every report I have read suggests. Some were able to find a way, others could not. [Link] I stand by what I said. The banks did not have to close the accounts that chose to do so. Edited by Badger11 (31 Jul 2023 4.22pm) One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 31 Jul 23 4.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That is not what every report I have read suggests. Some were able to find a way, others could not.

[Link]

I stand by what I said. The banks did not have to close the accounts that chose to do so.

Edited by Badger11 (31 Jul 2023 4.22pm)

One more point

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 31 Jul 23 4.43pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As I didn't suggest you held a Santander account, merely that I think they were a bank able to find a workaround, I regret to tell you that it's you who is wrong. Again! you are wrong once again, so glad you went on a cruise! Edited by the silurian (31 Jul 2023 4.44pm)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 31 Jul 23 4.43pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I didn't suggest you held a Santander account, merely that I think they were a bank able to find a workaround, I regret to tell you that it's you who is wrong. Again!

you are wrong once again, so glad you went on a cruise!

Edited by the silurian (31 Jul 2023 4.44pm)

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Jul 23 4.46pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Only to people who see deviousness around every corner. Banks don't have opinions. They aren't people. They have objectives. To reach them they may assess what the opinions of their customers are likely to be. You've summed yourself up pretty well there in terms of your views on Farage. As for Coutts, let's take a look at some of their website content. ''Coutts clients are trailblazers and pioneers, the disrupters and challengers who help to shape the fabric of UK society. '' ''Wealth management for people doing things their own way. '' They may need to get their PR people onto that. Banks don't have opinions ? - Not so. This is a direct quote from the minutes of Coutts Wealth Management Risk Committee meeting in which it was said - ''from a meeting of the bank's Wealth Reputational Risk Committee on 17 November 2022, describing Farage as a "disingenuous grifter" who promoted "xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views", and said his "views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation", with "risk factors including... controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank’s purpose" - That is their opinion - it does not make it fact. As for a Bank's objectives, that's pretty simple. Provide Banking Services to the public. Achieve maximum value to its Shareholders. Ensure Controls and Governance are fit for purpose and are robust enough to mitigate Financial Crime. The NatWest Group, in an attempt to distance themselves from the recent past, decided to go all '' cuddly '' as a Financial journalist described them in The Times at the weekend. I have to admit that I laughed out loud when they re-branded from RBS Group to NatWest. Because I suggested they do that at a Management meeting in London a couple of days after Goodwin and Co. had brought RBS to its knees back in 2008. It was met with predictable outrage from the most delusional and arrogant people I had the misfortune to work with. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Jul 23 4.46pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only to people who see deviousness around every corner.

Banks don't have opinions. They aren't people. They have objectives. To reach them they may assess what the opinions of their customers are likely to be.

You've summed yourself up pretty well there in terms of your views on Farage.

As for Coutts, let's take a look at some of their website content.

''Coutts clients are trailblazers and pioneers, the disrupters and challengers who help to shape the fabric of UK society.
''

''Wealth management for people doing things their own way. ''

They may need to get their PR people onto that.

Banks don't have opinions ? - Not so. This is a direct quote from the minutes of Coutts Wealth Management Risk Committee meeting in which it was said - ''from a meeting of the bank's Wealth Reputational Risk Committee on 17 November 2022, describing Farage as a "disingenuous grifter" who promoted "xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views", and said his "views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation", with "risk factors including... controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank’s purpose" - That is their opinion - it does not make it fact.

As for a Bank's objectives, that's pretty simple. Provide Banking Services to the public. Achieve maximum value to its Shareholders. Ensure Controls and Governance are fit for purpose and are robust enough to mitigate Financial Crime.

The NatWest Group, in an attempt to distance themselves from the recent past, decided to go all '' cuddly '' as a Financial journalist described them in The Times at the weekend.

I have to admit that I laughed out loud when they re-branded from RBS Group to NatWest. Because I suggested they do that at a Management meeting in London a couple of days after Goodwin and Co. had brought RBS to its knees back in 2008. It was met with predictable outrage from the most delusional and arrogant people I had the misfortune to work with.

Old, Ungifted and White

Eden Eagle Kent 31 Jul 23 4.54pm
Originally posted by HKOwen Godfrey's character was a war hero, please don't stain him with a Biden comparison Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..?

Eden Eagle

Kent 31 Jul 23 4.54pm

Originally posted by HKOwen

Godfrey's character was a war hero, please don't stain him with a Biden comparison

Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..?

Eden Eagle Kent 31 Jul 23 4.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If true, it's not a whim. It's a business decision. WE - if, for example, South West Water took a “business decision” to close your account and not supply you with any water would that be acceptable to you?

Eden Eagle

Kent 31 Jul 23 4.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If true, it's not a whim. It's a business decision.

WE - if, for example, South West Water took a “business decision” to close your account and not supply you with any water would that be acceptable to you?

eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 31 Jul 23 5.02pm
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..? No, he wasn't, i've just copied & pasted his Military Career taken from Wiki . . . Military service Ridley was a student teacher and had made his theatrical debut in Prunella at the Theatre Royal, Bristol when he volunteered for service with the British Army on the outbreak of the First World War in August 1914. He was initially rejected because of a hammer toe.[6] In December 1915, he enlisted as a private with the Somerset Light Infantry, British Army.[7] He saw active service in the war, sustaining several wounds in close-quarter battle. His left hand was left virtually useless by wounds sustained on the Somme;[6][8] his legs were riddled with shrapnel; he received a bayonet wound in the groin; and the legacy of a blow to the head from a German soldier's rifle butt left him prone to blackouts after the war.[6][9] He was medically discharged from the army with the rank of lance corporal in May 1917.[7] He received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal for his service.[7] Ridley rejoined the army in 1939 following the outbreak of the Second World War.[9] He was commissioned into the General List on 7 October 1939 as a second lieutenant.[10] He served with the British Expeditionary Force in France during the "Phoney War", employed as a "Conducting Officer" tasked with supervising journalists who were visiting the front line. In May 1940,[11] Ridley returned to Britain on the overcrowded destroyer HMS Vimiera, which was the last British ship to escape from the harbour during the Battle of Boulogne.[12] Shortly afterwards, he was discharged from the Armed Forces on health grounds.[9] He relinquished his commission as a captain on 1 June 1940.[13] He subsequently joined the Home Guard,[9] in his home town of Caterham, and ENSA, with which he toured the country.[12] He described his wartime experiences on Desert Island Discs in 1973.[14][15] Just realised, were you talking about the character or the actor? Edited by eagleman13 (31 Jul 2023 5.03pm) This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

eagleman13

On The Road To Hell & Alicante 31 Jul 23 5.02pm

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..?

No, he wasn't, i've just copied & pasted his Military Career taken from Wiki . . .

Military service
Ridley was a student teacher and had made his theatrical debut in Prunella at the Theatre Royal, Bristol when he volunteered for service with the British Army on the outbreak of the First World War in August 1914. He was initially rejected because of a hammer toe.[6] In December 1915, he enlisted as a private with the Somerset Light Infantry, British Army.[7] He saw active service in the war, sustaining several wounds in close-quarter battle. His left hand was left virtually useless by wounds sustained on the Somme;[6][8] his legs were riddled with shrapnel; he received a bayonet wound in the groin; and the legacy of a blow to the head from a German soldier's rifle butt left him prone to blackouts after the war.[6][9] He was medically discharged from the army with the rank of lance corporal in May 1917.[7] He received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal for his service.[7]

Ridley rejoined the army in 1939 following the outbreak of the Second World War.[9] He was commissioned into the General List on 7 October 1939 as a second lieutenant.[10] He served with the British Expeditionary Force in France during the "Phoney War", employed as a "Conducting Officer" tasked with supervising journalists who were visiting the front line. In May 1940,[11] Ridley returned to Britain on the overcrowded destroyer HMS Vimiera, which was the last British ship to escape from the harbour during the Battle of Boulogne.[12] Shortly afterwards, he was discharged from the Armed Forces on health grounds.[9] He relinquished his commission as a captain on 1 June 1940.[13] He subsequently joined the Home Guard,[9] in his home town of Caterham, and ENSA, with which he toured the country.[12] He described his wartime experiences on Desert Island Discs in 1973.[14][15]

Just realised, were you talking about the character or the actor?

Edited by eagleman13 (31 Jul 2023 5.03pm)

This operation, will make the 'Charge Of The Light Brigade' seem like a simple military exercise.

georgenorman 31 Jul 23 5.15pm
What a hypocrite Wisbelch is. Supports Coutts in closing bank accounts because of political/social views, yet did not support Ashers when they closed down an order because of political/social views.

georgenorman

31 Jul 23 5.15pm

What a hypocrite Wisbelch is. Supports Coutts in closing bank accounts because of political/social views, yet did not support Ashers when they closed down an order because of political/social views.

Eden Eagle Kent 31 Jul 23 5.22pm
Originally posted by eagleman13 No, he wasn't, i've just copied & pasted his Military Career taken from Wiki . . . Military service Ridley was a student teacher and had made his theatrical debut in Prunella at the Theatre Royal, Bristol when he volunteered for service with the British Army on the outbreak of the First World War in August 1914. He was initially rejected because of a hammer toe.[6] In December 1915, he enlisted as a private with the Somerset Light Infantry, British Army.[7] He saw active service in the war, sustaining several wounds in close-quarter battle. His left hand was left virtually useless by wounds sustained on the Somme;[6][8] his legs were riddled with shrapnel; he received a bayonet wound in the groin; and the legacy of a blow to the head from a German soldier's rifle butt left him prone to blackouts after the war.[6][9] He was medically discharged from the army with the rank of lance corporal in May 1917.[7] He received the British War Medal and the Victory Medal for his service.[7] Ridley rejoined the army in 1939 following the outbreak of the Second World War.[9] He was commissioned into the General List on 7 October 1939 as a second lieutenant.[10] He served with the British Expeditionary Force in France during the "Phoney War", employed as a "Conducting Officer" tasked with supervising journalists who were visiting the front line. In May 1940,[11] Ridley returned to Britain on the overcrowded destroyer HMS Vimiera, which was the last British ship to escape from the harbour during the Battle of Boulogne.[12] Shortly afterwards, he was discharged from the Armed Forces on health grounds.[9] He relinquished his commission as a captain on 1 June 1940.[13] He subsequently joined the Home Guard,[9] in his home town of Caterham, and ENSA, with which he toured the country.[12] He described his wartime experiences on Desert Island Discs in 1973.[14][15] Just realised, were you talking about the character or the actor? Edited by eagleman13 (31 Jul 2023 5.03pm) Thanks Eagleman - I was thinking of the actor, I remembered he served in WW1 but thought, incorrectly, that he was a medic as per his character.

Eden Eagle

Kent 31 Jul 23 5.22pm

Originally posted by eagleman13

No, he wasn't, i've just copied & pasted his Military Career taken from Wiki . . .

Just realised, were you talking about the character or the actor?

Edited by eagleman13 (31 Jul 2023 5.03pm)

Thanks Eagleman - I was thinking of the actor, I remembered he served in WW1 but thought, incorrectly, that he was a medic as per his character.

Hrolf The Ganger 31 Jul 23 5.52pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Only to people who see deviousness around every corner. Banks don't have opinions. They aren't people. They have objectives. To reach them they may assess what the opinions of their customers are likely to be. Don't be ridiculous man. Your pedantry won't save you on this one. Where should this protection of reputation end? Doctors, dentists, supermarkets, insurance, car dealers? You know full well that this kind of behaviour runs counter to everything that our culture believes in. It is a cancer infecting our society. But then you promote the replacement of our culture, so why should we be surprised by your attitude? That is a rhetorical question.

Hrolf The Ganger

31 Jul 23 5.52pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only to people who see deviousness around every corner.

Banks don't have opinions. They aren't people. They have objectives. To reach them they may assess what the opinions of their customers are likely to be.

Don't be ridiculous man. Your pedantry won't save you on this one.

Where should this protection of reputation end?

Doctors, dentists, supermarkets, insurance, car dealers?

You know full well that this kind of behaviour runs counter to everything that our culture believes in. It is a cancer infecting our society.

But then you promote the replacement of our culture, so why should we be surprised by your attitude? That is a rhetorical question.

georgenorman 31 Jul 23 6.23pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Only to people who see deviousness around every corner. Banks don't have opinions. They aren't people. They have objectives. To reach them they may assess what the opinions of their customers are likely to be. Clearly the people that run the bank have opinions and objectives. You might be surprised to learn that the bank, without the people that run it, is incapable of having opinions and objectives - unless you are including AI.

georgenorman

31 Jul 23 6.23pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Only to people who see deviousness around every corner.

Banks don't have opinions. They aren't people. They have objectives. To reach them they may assess what the opinions of their customers are likely to be.

Clearly the people that run the bank have opinions and objectives. You might be surprised to learn that the bank, without the people that run it, is incapable of having opinions and objectives - unless you are including AI.

silvertop Portishead 31 Jul 23 7.19pm
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..? Arnold Ridley also wrote the play on which Oh Mr Porter was based.

silvertop

Portishead 31 Jul 23 7.19pm

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..?

Arnold Ridley also wrote the play on which Oh Mr Porter was based.

Badger11 Beckenham 31 Jul 23 7.59pm
Originally posted by silvertop Arnold Ridley also wrote the play on which Oh Mr Porter was based. I think that was The Ghost Train which Arthur Askey was in (I haven't googled this) It was a big success unfortunately Arthur Ridley made very little money out of it. One more point

Badger11

Beckenham 31 Jul 23 7.59pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Arnold Ridley also wrote the play on which Oh Mr Porter was based.

I think that was The Ghost Train which Arthur Askey was in (I haven't googled this)

It was a big success unfortunately Arthur Ridley made very little money out of it.

One more point

the silurian The garden of England.(not really) 31 Jul 23 8.38pm
Originally posted by the silurian you are wrong once again, so glad you went on a cruise! Anyway,do i care what you think??? Not at all! Edited by the silurian (31 Jul 2023 4.44pm)

the silurian

The garden of England.(not really) 31 Jul 23 8.38pm

Originally posted by the silurian

you are wrong once again, so glad you went on a cruise!

Anyway,do i care what you think??? Not at all!

Edited by the silurian (31 Jul 2023 4.44pm)

Teddy Eagle 31 Jul 23 11.10pm
This was a big waste of time then. [Link]

Teddy Eagle

31 Jul 23 11.10pm

This was a big waste of time then.

[Link]

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 23 11.33pm
Originally posted by NEILLO You've summed yourself up pretty well there in terms of your views on Farage. As for Coutts, let's take a look at some of their website content. ''Coutts clients are trailblazers and pioneers, the disrupters and challengers who help to shape the fabric of UK society. '' ''Wealth management for people doing things their own way. '' They may need to get their PR people onto that. Banks don't have opinions ? - Not so. This is a direct quote from the minutes of Coutts Wealth Management Risk Committee meeting in which it was said - ''from a meeting of the bank's Wealth Reputational Risk Committee on 17 November 2022, describing Farage as a "disingenuous grifter" who promoted "xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views", and said his "views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation", with "risk factors including... controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank’s purpose" - That is their opinion - it does not make it fact. As for a Bank's objectives, that's pretty simple. Provide Banking Services to the public. Achieve maximum value to its Shareholders. Ensure Controls and Governance are fit for purpose and are robust enough to mitigate Financial Crime. The NatWest Group, in an attempt to distance themselves from the recent past, decided to go all '' cuddly '' as a Financial journalist described them in The Times at the weekend. I have to admit that I laughed out loud when they re-branded from RBS Group to NatWest. Because I suggested they do that at a Management meeting in London a couple of days after Goodwin and Co. had brought RBS to its knees back in 2008. It was met with predictable outrage from the most delusional and arrogant people I had the misfortune to work with. That highlighted quote is not an opinion held by the bank, despite your assertions, those in the press and made by government. It is a description of the reasons why their objective of being “an inclusive organisation” is threatened by Farage holding such opinions. I don’t know why this is proving so difficult for people to understand. They are describing what they see, but not offering either support or condemnation of it. No opinion at all. All they are doing is valuing the impact of what they see in the context of achieving their objectives. The primary objective is to make money for their shareholders. Providing services is not an objective. It is the means by which they achieve their primary objective. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 23 11.33pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

You've summed yourself up pretty well there in terms of your views on Farage.

As for Coutts, let's take a look at some of their website content.

''Coutts clients are trailblazers and pioneers, the disrupters and challengers who help to shape the fabric of UK society.
''

''Wealth management for people doing things their own way. ''

They may need to get their PR people onto that.

Banks don't have opinions ? - Not so. This is a direct quote from the minutes of Coutts Wealth Management Risk Committee meeting in which it was said - ''from a meeting of the bank's Wealth Reputational Risk Committee on 17 November 2022, describing Farage as a "disingenuous grifter" who promoted "xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views", and said his "views were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation", with "risk factors including... controversial public statements which were felt to conflict with the bank’s purpose" - That is their opinion - it does not make it fact.

The NatWest Group, in an attempt to distance themselves from the recent past, decided to go all '' cuddly '' as a Financial journalist described them in The Times at the weekend.

That highlighted quote is not an opinion held by the bank, despite your assertions, those in the press and made by government. It is a description of the reasons why their objective of being “an inclusive organisation” is threatened by Farage holding such opinions. I don’t know why this is proving so difficult for people to understand. They are describing what they see, but not offering either support or condemnation of it. No opinion at all. All they are doing is valuing the impact of what they see in the context of achieving their objectives.

The primary objective is to make money for their shareholders. Providing services is not an objective. It is the means by which they achieve their primary objective.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 23 11.42pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Clearly the people that run the bank have opinions and objectives. You might be surprised to learn that the bank, without the people that run it, is incapable of having opinions and objectives - unless you are including AI. As individuals, of course they do. Some may be admirers of Farage. Those though all need to be left at home when tasked with determining how to achieve the objectives of the bank. Objectives that will be defined by the Board and implemented by senior management. It’s no different to a Palace player who supports Brighton and has done all his life. He is a professional and cannot allow personal feelings to cloud his mind when doing his job. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 31 Jul 23 11.42pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

As individuals, of course they do. Some may be admirers of Farage.

Those though all need to be left at home when tasked with determining how to achieve the objectives of the bank. Objectives that will be defined by the Board and implemented by senior management.

It’s no different to a Palace player who supports Brighton and has done all his life. He is a professional and cannot allow personal feelings to cloud his mind when doing his job.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Jul 23 11.57pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As individuals, of course they do. Some may be admirers of Farage. Those though all need to be left at home when tasked with determining how to achieve the objectives of the bank. Objectives that will be defined by the Board and implemented by senior management. It’s no different to a Palace player who supports Brighton and has done all his life. He is a professional and cannot allow personal feelings to cloud his mind when doing his job. I’ve sat on many a Risk Committee in a number of banks and you are wrong. Old, Ungifted and White

NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 31 Jul 23 11.57pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As individuals, of course they do. Some may be admirers of Farage.

Those though all need to be left at home when tasked with determining how to achieve the objectives of the bank. Objectives that will be defined by the Board and implemented by senior management.

It’s no different to a Palace player who supports Brighton and has done all his life. He is a professional and cannot allow personal feelings to cloud his mind when doing his job.

I’ve sat on many a Risk Committee in a number of banks and you are wrong.

Old, Ungifted and White

HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Aug 23 12.51am
Originally posted by Eden Eagle Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..? Indeed Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 01 Aug 23 12.51am

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Wasn’t he an actual Army Medic during WW1..?

Indeed

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen Hong Kong 01 Aug 23 12.54am
Originally posted by NEILLO I’ve sat on many a Risk Committee in a number of banks and you are wrong. How very dare you. You are correct, I have had my share of RC's as well and the process is not based on whims. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

HKOwen

Hong Kong 01 Aug 23 12.54am

Originally posted by NEILLO

I’ve sat on many a Risk Committee in a number of banks and you are wrong.

How very dare you.

You are correct, I have had my share of RC's as well and the process is not based on whims.

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