I don't use the BBS, and only occasionally dip into their football related forums. Never the politics.

However, if what is suggested is that it predominately a Tory hating and that this makes it the reverse of the Hol, I don't think that's true.

This forum is not really a Tory stronghold. It is a right wing stronghold. Many of the views expressed are more in tune with UKIP and Farage than they are with traditional Tory values.

Sure the ERG are a significant element within the party but, as their influence wanes, so the level of criticism of Tory policies has increased here. The centralist part of the Tory party is hated every bit, and sometimes more, than Labour is here.

Truss was even given a welcome, until the disaster she obviously was going to be became apparent to even the hardest of the brass nosed here.

I think some people are liars and they know they are but they just don't care. Perhaps it's because of their profound lack of integrity.

Not by me anyway....possibly the lowest ability PM we have ever had.

She would have never have risen to anything like the heights she did if she hadn't been both protected and promoted by affirmative action from within the Tory party for women and minorities.

Truss was one of Cameron's quotas back when he infected the party as leader. He protected her and stopped her deselection from her seat when the local party tried to remove her over an affair....indeed promoting her for seemingly no merit purpose other than her sex.

Cameron is responsible for the centralist inclination of most Tory MPs. He filtered out the selection of ERM type Tories (which is the majority of the membership) in favour of wets like himself. Indeed, most of the ERM type Tories in the commons are Tories elected from before the time of Cameron.

Cameron started affirmative action in Tory candidates, insisting that one in every three selection be a woman or ethnic minority. The idea of local membership autonomy being partly a joke as central office appoint and tell them who their favoured person is.

If anyone wonders why it's the ethnic MPs in the Tory party that seem to be the most right wing it's precisely because Cameron's system was so desperate to not filter out ethnic minority candidates that some actual Tories who reflected the membership tended to slip through....they just didn't have the luxury of numbers to pick and choose the most globalist left wing friendly option.

That's half right!

Not by me anyway....possibly the lowest ability PM we have ever had.

She would have never have risen to anything like the heights she did if she hadn't been both protected and promoted by affirmative action from within the Tory party for women and minorities.

Truss was one of Cameron's quotas back when he infected the party as leader. He protected her and stopped her deselection from her seat when the local party tried to remove her over an affair....indeed promoting her for seemingly no merit purpose other than her sex.

Cameron is responsible for the centralist inclination of most Tory MPs. He filtered out the selection of ERM type Tories (which is the majority of the membership) in favour of wets like himself. Indeed, most of the ERM type Tories in the commons are Tories elected from before the time of Cameron.

Cameron started affirmative action in Tory candidates, insisting that one in every three selection be a woman or ethnic minority. The idea of local membership autonomy being partly a joke as central office appoint and tell them who their favoured person is.

If anyone wonders why it's the ethnic MPs in the Tory party that seem to be the most right wing it's precisely because Cameron's system was so desperate to not filter out ethnic minority candidates that some actual Tories who reflected the membership tended to slip through....they just didn't have the luxury of numbers to pick and choose the most globalist left wing friendly option.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Nov 2022 4.43pm)

I am as opposed to affirmative action as you, but doubt whether what I highlight above is true. For the sake of argument let's assume that the claim that the majority of the membership are ERG types is true, even though there really isn't any way of knowing that. Activists do though tend to come from the extremes.

The Party as a whole seems to have veered quite firmly towards the right in recent years, and away from the centre, so more towards ERG thinking, though that is now reversing.

Whatever the members themselves believe in, if the Tories are to stand any chance in the next GE then they need to have at least one foot in the centre. Right wing politics have been shown to fail and won't be voted for again any time soon.

So however they get there, whether by selection or conversion, it is essential that Tory MPs preach moderation, pragmatism and common sense in the next 2 years. This is not a time for ideology, from either the left, or the right.

This is a time for the wise and the good, from wherever we can find them, to step forward and be counted.