Doesn't that just reinforce the message that Labour is no longer the party of the working class?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

I reckon that political parties shouldn't be class or identity based. Much better for parties to advocate policies based on best evidence rather than just marketing, no?

It's happened, Michael, we're leaving the EU.

Deal with it.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Nope. Not having it. I wanna referendum! Bwahahaha....

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

Why is that an unreasonable position?

It is a question of priorities.

What do you mean? I think it's a bit of a slander to suggest that the ONLY possible motive for wanting a vote, wanting scrutiny, or even wanting a referendum/election on terms is political skullduggery. You don't seem to allow for people to regard the future as brighter in the EU.

Surely the number one priority is creating the conditions for the UK to be in the best position it can?

Yeah, I'm fairly cynical myself. But if we do nothing, then the chances that things change is zero. If we do something increases a fraction.

Individually we can't do much, but maybe collectively we can. But then, isn't thatjust forming another political party? But what's the alternative?

You sir are a pompous ass.

It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not. It's what the people voted for.

You pick and choose when democracy works and when it doesn't just because the general voting public do not hold your beliefs.

But then hypocrisy and hissy fits do seem to be the premise of the remain camp.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

The post is about the opportunities in Labour heartlands that UKIP can exploit. But fails to point out that the significant majority of Labour voters (under this survey) were Remainers, so would be unlikely to look to UKIP.

I also don't know how statistically accurate the poll can be seen to be. The split by ethnicity shows that only those who identify as White voted for Brexit (by a margin of 51:49). Every other ethnic group in the survey voted for Remain, and mostly by a large majority.

But the overall referendum result was a 52:48 split so there must be a statistical variance that would be big enough to call the data into question anyway.

And if the only issue that mattered to people was Brexit then it would suggest Corbyn (although he eventually supported Remain) was a truer reflection of the working class voters Labour are meant to represent. On the logic that views on Brexit are all that drives people's voting habits, then JC deserves recognition for bringing Labour closer to its roots?

Surely deciding the relevance of a political party based upon a single issue isn't valid.

Edited by OknotOK (08 Dec 2016 12.52pm)

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