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 Stuk  Top half 08 Dec 16 2.49pm |
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McDonalds is moving it non-US tax base from Luxembourg to the UK.
Optimistic as ever |
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| chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 16 4.15pm |
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Flippin' 'eck!
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Dec 16 4.16pm |
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Turns out last nights commons vote on the roadmap to Brexit isn't binding as it was an opposition motion...
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| Stuk Top half 08 Dec 16 4.17pm |
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Originally posted by chris123
Flippin' 'eck! Better than flipping burgers!
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| chris123 hove actually 08 Dec 16 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Turns out last nights commons vote on the roadmap to Brexit isn't binding as it was an opposition motion... The Supreme Court told it is highly significant, albeit not legally binding.
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tome  Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Dec 16 7.55pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
You sir are a pompous ass. It doesn't matter whether it makes sense or not. It's what the people voted for. You pick and choose when democracy works and when it doesn't just because the general voting public do not hold your beliefs. But then hypocrisy and hissy fits do seem to be the premise of the remain camp. So do you think everything the government does should be subject to a referendum? If not, why make a hugely complex area subject to such a vote and not all the minor issues? Anyway, my point was that in a democracy you evolve decisions based on public scrutiny. So I objected to Holf's assertion that this was a bad idea. AFter all, if it was a bad idea why have the referendum in the first place? You can try and draw battles lines all you like, but I think it's not that simple and you can't just go around characterising everyone who disagrees with you as some sort of limp-wristed whinger, there's no need to be a be a fatuous f*ck.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 08 Dec 16 9.53pm |
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Originally posted by tome
What do you mean? I think it's a bit of a slander to suggest that the ONLY possible motive for wanting a vote, wanting scrutiny, or even wanting a referendum/election on terms is political skullduggery. You don't seem to allow for people to regard the future as brighter in the EU. Surely the number one priority is creating the conditions for the UK to be in the best position it can? And what those conditions are is the main bone of contention. And as I suggested, it depends to a large degree on your priorities.
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| nhp61 Goring-By-Sea born, now in Brackne... 08 Dec 16 10.56pm |
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Originally posted by tome
What do you mean? I think it's a bit of a slander to suggest that the ONLY possible motive for wanting a vote, wanting scrutiny, or even wanting a referendum/election on terms is political skullduggery. You don't seem to allow for people to regard the future as brighter in the EU. Surely the number one priority is creating the conditions for the UK to be in the best position it can? Why should we have to allow for people to think the future is brighter in the EU? We shouldn't have to, we voted to leave.
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| tome Inner Tantalus Time. 08 Dec 16 11.58pm |
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Originally posted by nhp61
Why should we have to allow for people to think the future is brighter in the EU? We shouldn't have to, we voted to leave. People will think whatever they damn please. Or don't you want to be in a democracy? The point is, voting to leave isn't that simple. It's not as if anyone has a mandate for going for, at random: the single market, the customs union, no immigration, free movement of labour, or anything else. People have just said no to the EU, they haven't said yes to anything. It may well be that when the deal is looked at it is (as seems likely) worse than the situation we are in now. Certainly, for those whose views I've seen in favour of leave, that 'bad' view could look like keeping single market and customs union with the price of free labour movement, just no place at the EU table when decisions are taken. So the EU wouldn't have to give a stuff about the UK view. We'd still be giving the EU a bunch of cash. Would you want a chance to turn that down?
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 16 7.30am |
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Originally posted by tome
People will think whatever they damn please. Or don't you want to be in a democracy? The point is, voting to leave isn't that simple. It's not as if anyone has a mandate for going for, at random: the single market, the customs union, no immigration, free movement of labour, or anything else. People have just said no to the EU, they haven't said yes to anything. It may well be that when the deal is looked at it is (as seems likely) worse than the situation we are in now. Certainly, for those whose views I've seen in favour of leave, that 'bad' view could look like keeping single market and customs union with the price of free labour movement, just no place at the EU table when decisions are taken. So the EU wouldn't have to give a stuff about the UK view. We'd still be giving the EU a bunch of cash. Would you want a chance to turn that down? The argument that we have '...no place at the EU table when decisions are taken....' is interesting. As far as I am concerned the EU is run by a German/French axis, whom appoint unelected commissioners to do their bidding. The lack of democracy, openness and fairness in the EU was one of the main reasons I voted Leave.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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Kermit8  Hevon 09 Dec 16 9.46am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
As far as I am aware, no one other than the SNP is actually campaigning to not exit the EU now. But it is legitimate to question when the country is ready to begin negotiations for what that relationship will look like, as well as what that relationship should look like. There was no mandate for those decisions given by the referendum vote. We will leave the EU. But when and how should be subject to parliament. You know - that sovereign parliament that the majority of Brexiters wanted to restore? Agreed. We want the best deal and what's right for the country. Rushing things will not enable that to happen. SNP will come onboard too once access to the single market is assured.
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| npn Crowborough 09 Dec 16 9.58am |
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Originally posted by OknotOK
As far as I am aware, no one other than the SNP is actually campaigning to not exit the EU now. But it is legitimate to question when the country is ready to begin negotiations for what that relationship will look like, as well as what that relationship should look like. There was no mandate for those decisions given by the referendum vote. We will leave the EU. But when and how should be subject to parliament. You know - that sovereign parliament that the majority of Brexiters wanted to restore? I stand to be corrected, but I thought the LibDems were proposing reversing the exit decision too?
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| OknotOK Cockfosters, London 09 Dec 16 10.01am |
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Originally posted by npn
I stand to be corrected, but I thought the LibDems were proposing reversing the exit decision too? Quote
Liberal Democrats believe that the British people should have their say on the final Brexit deal in a referendum. Voting for a departure is not the same as voting for a destination. British people have a right to have their say on whether the deal they are offered is the right one for them, their families, their communities and our country. I think there are some in the party who would like to reverse or seek a second referendum but party policy is to accept Brexit just look for the softest possible
"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show |
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| Stuk Top half 09 Dec 16 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Agreed. We want the best deal and what's right for the country. Rushing things will not enable that to happen. SNP will come onboard too once access to the single market is assured. Who gives a s*** if they do. They're a non-entity in the UK.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 16 2.39pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Agreed. We want the best deal and what's right for the country. Rushing things will not enable that to happen. SNP will come onboard too once access to the single market is assured. SNP can get back in their box. They have lost two referendums and moan about both as a 'travesty of democracy'.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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 Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 09 Dec 16 3.53pm |
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Originally posted by matt_himself
I had lunch at Simpsons in Cornhill today and one of my fellow diners was Nigel Farage. What a wonderful Christmas! The bubble & squeak and braised onions at Simpsons are superb.
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| matt_himself Matataland 09 Dec 16 4.02pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The bubble & squeak and braised onions at Simpsons are superb. I had Lancashire Hotpot and a sausage. Superb.
"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02 |
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| chris123 hove actually 09 Dec 16 4.14pm |
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Originally posted by Cucking Funt
The bubble & squeak and braised onions at Simpsons are superb. That's the Strand surely?
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